Make Solo Dungeons Viable

[crusadernero]

And those problems have even already been solved by plenty of other MMO's, so they're not even really problems. Solo dungeons in addition to group dungeons can be done just fine with no problems. Some people are just frightened by the word "solo" because they rely on this game to force people to socialize with them because they apparently can't do it on their own.

then people can play those solo MMORPG games. Blizzard want wow to be about playing with other people, not AI. Albeit alot of wow can be done solo now, they shouldnt go all the way and incorporate fancy AI everywhere.

just because it can be done, doesnt mean it should be done.

AND BTW, im saying this as someone who mostly play "alone" and rely on PUG activity. I get on just fine.

[FelPlague]

I dont think you read his post, but only the title as so many else quick to post in this thread.

Choose between queueing with players and wait while you quest and do stuff, or choose to get a fast queue with NPCs to get a quicker queue.
There could be plenty of other ways this could be beneficial to the player who wants to experience the rp in dungeons, but cant because of "gogogo" mentality.

But yeah, some people are really quick to find problems for every solution.

I did read it, no you should not be able to do dungeons solo, you should have to go with players, you should not be able to go in with bots and do the dungeon.

[FelPlague]

Im glad that blizzard disagrees with you then, judging by their advancements in putting new AI to NPCs in the game.
Im pro-choice in the matter, but some people just want to go backwards instead, its allways like that regardless of the subject.

except they havent put them in actual content yet, they have literally only made therm enemies, and only for stuff like islands, so no, blizz does not diagree with me, they disagree with you.

But hey if you say blizz agrees with you, please show me where you can play allied with AI NPCS that otherwise would be players, please, go right ahead!

I know of enemies, you know, the AI BG enemies, and the AI Island enemies, but those are enemies, not allies like you say they are, or are you saying its a slippery slope?
"They are adding Ai enemies, that means they agree with me and are going to add AI allies!"
No, not true at all.

[ManOWar5645]

except they havent put them in actual content yet, they have literally only made therm enemies, and only for stuff like islands, so no, blizz does not diagree with me, they disagree with you.

But hey if you say blizz agrees with you, please show me where you can play allied with AI NPCS that otherwise would be players, please, go right ahead!

I know of enemies, you know, the AI BG enemies, and the AI Island enemies, but those are enemies, not allies like you say they are, or are you saying its a slippery slope?
"They are adding Ai enemies, that means they agree with me and are going to add AI allies!"
No, not true at all.

you want proof of AI helping you?

Proving Grounds in MoP like 7 years ago.

I rest my case.

[Agent Smith]

I'll never understand why people would want to turn this game to even less of an MMO.

You mean like dungeon finder? When was the last time you queued in LFG and after it was over you all added each other in BNET and played together, you know, like an MMO?

You mean like scenarios in MoP?, instanced questing? Phasing? Not making the entire game scaled like SWtoR?

We might as well toss in the lone dungeoning at this point.

[ErrandRunner]

I know somebody who has one of those casino games on their ipad pro. They have it set up so they don't have to pull the lever to spin on the digital machine. Let that sink in. They basically place the ipad on a stand and just watch the ipad playing itself and somehow get enjoyment out of this.

The OP and this person I know are the same type of gamer.

[FelPlague]

you want proof of AI helping you?

Proving Grounds in MoP like 7 years ago.

I rest my case.

That was not AI as we see now, that was literally NPCs in combat just fighting eachother, and they would toss you heals, that is barely an AI, and more of an NPC with basic programming.

Also stop making alt accounts, your just gunna extend your ban over and over till you get perma banned.

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I know somebody who has one of those casino games on their ipad pro. They have it set up so they don't have to pull the lever to spin on the digital machine. Let that sink in. They basically place the ipad on a stand and just watch the ipad playing itself and somehow get enjoyment out of this.

The OP and this person I know are the same type of gamer.

My mom does that too, many casino games do it, its alos why "cookie clicker" type games are insanely hughe, where yoiu literally just watch your score rise, and upgrade stuff every so often. clicker games are some of if not the biggest mobile genre.
even on PC they arte huge, adventure capatalist/communist, afk minions, hell even tower defences are in a way these genre.

[Eapoe]

you want proof of AI helping you?

Proving Grounds in MoP like 7 years ago.

I rest my case.

Except they only help you to a certain point. It still came down to the player. Reading up on other MMOs that have NPC assistance comes off as enabling a cheat. Otaku literally has a line about the computer playing better than real people because it avoids everything. Most players didn’t even do proving grounds past a certain point simply because they couldn’t.
So, Blizzard has a choice. Make AI function like a cheat mode, where you’re guaranteed to win regardless, or make it function to a point where players will cry about it being too hard while others have no problem. That’s the problem with assisted AI, there is no middle ground.

[Manowar345345]

That was not AI as we see now, that was literally NPCs in combat just fighting eachother, and they would toss you heals, that is barely an AI, and more of an NPC with basic programming.

Also stop making alt accounts, your just gunna extend your ban over and over till you get perma banned.

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My mom does that too, many casino games do it, its alos why "cookie clicker" type games are insanely hughe, where yoiu literally just watch your score rise, and upgrade stuff every so often. clicker games are some of if not the biggest mobile genre.
even on PC they arte huge, adventure capatalist/communist, afk minions, hell even tower defences are in a way these genre.

you fucking moron ������ do you know what a VPN is? XDXDX

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That was not AI as we see now, that was literally NPCs in combat just fighting eachother, and they would toss you heals, that is barely an AI, and more of an NPC with basic programming.

Also stop making alt accounts, your just gunna extend your ban over and over till you get perma banned.

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My mom does that too, many casino games do it, its alos why "cookie clicker" type games are insanely hughe, where yoiu literally just watch your score rise, and upgrade stuff every so often. clicker games are some of if not the biggest mobile genre.
even on PC they arte huge, adventure capatalist/communist, afk minions, hell even tower defences are in a way these genre.

you fucking moron

[FelPlague]

you fucking moron ������ do you know what a VPN is? XDXDX

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you fucking moron

Dude i work on youtube, i have had much worse in much higher amounts.
And yes i do, but what do you accomplish by just being an asshole and spamming?
also you seem pretty incompetent if you have to make a new account for literally every post, even if its not banned yet, and even then double post.

[Super Kami Dende]

I'll never understand why people would want to turn this game to even less of an MMO.

because sometimes you just want to play and have fun without rolling the dice on if the other 4 people in your group are fucking morons.

[25t32r43245]

Except they only help you to a certain point. It still came down to the player. Reading up on other MMOs that have NPC assistance comes off as enabling a cheat. Otaku literally has a line about the computer playing better than real people because it avoids everything. Most players didn’t even do proving grounds past a certain point simply because they couldn’t.
So, Blizzard has a choice. Make AI function like a cheat mode, where you’re guaranteed to win regardless, or make it function to a point where players will cry about it being too hard while others have no problem. That’s the problem with assisted AI, there is no middle ground.

Oh wow, now you two idiots say "hurr durr thats barely AI"

Of course not it was almost 7 fucking years ago you dipshits XDXDXD

WoW AI has come a long way since, then. Islands prove the feature can be implemented safely

Not relying on idiots like you - who probably can't even read the encounters right will be a true blessing

[Spiffums]

Undercover blizz dev here , I have proposed this to magnificent lord messiah Ion Hazzikostas and here is his response :

no.

Dang this makes twice I've agreed with Ion. Am I in danger of becoming a fan boy?

[25t32r43245]

Dude i work on youtube, i have had much worse in much higher amounts.
And yes i do, but what do you accomplish by just being an asshole and spamming?
also you seem pretty incompetent if you have to make a new account for literally every post, even if its not banned yet, and even then double post.

I wear it as a badge of honor
Down with internet censorship!

[FelPlague]

Oh wow, now you two idiots say "hurr durr thats barely AI"

Of course not it was almost 7 fucking years ago you dipshits XDXDXD

WoW AI has come a long way since, then. Islands prove the feature can be implemented safely

Not relying on idiots like you - who probably can't even read the encounters right will be a true blessing

Coming from the guy who has to make a new account every 30 seconds cause he has the memory of a goldfish and forgets his password.

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I wear it as a badge of honor
Down with internet censorship!

You wear your stupidity on your sleeve, good on you.

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Oh wow, now you two idiots say "hurr durr thats barely AI"

Of course not it was almost 7 fucking years ago you dipshits XDXDXD

WoW AI has come a long way since, then. Islands prove the feature can be implemented safely

Not relying on idiots like you - who probably can't even read the encounters right will be a true blessing

They are as much AI as the guards of vanilla are.
Just cause a mob can interact with a player does not make them AI.

[25t32r43245]

Coming from the guy who has to make a new account every 30 seconds cause he has the memory of a goldfish and forgets his password.

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You wear your stupidity on your sleeve, good on you.

you absolute fuckign asshole dont even realize it takes about 10 seconds XDXDXDXD

you are the epitome of a nincompoop motherfucker

[Eapoe]

Oh wow, now you two idiots say "hurr durr thats barely AI"

Of course not it was almost 7 fucking years ago you dipshits XDXDXD

WoW AI has come a long way since, then. Islands prove the feature can be implemented safely

Not relying on idiots like you - who probably can't even read the encounters right will be a true blessing

Hahhahahhahahahbahahbababah. Classic anger post of someone who knows they are wrong and runs out of anything intelligent to say. Have a good day kid.

[FelPlague]

you absolute fuckign asshole dont even realize it takes about 10 seconds XDXDXDXD

you are the epitome of a nincompoop motherfucker

It does take 10 seconds.
Or you could just... use 1 account and take 0 seconds
but again, memory of a goldfish.
And maybe if you weren't a insufferable prick, you wouldn't need to use a VPN to ban evade.


Oh no, i got called a nincompoop motherfucker by a random guy on mmochamp, i am soooo hurt, you have ruined me, im gunna go away and cry in a corner to never return noooooooo my one weaknessss!!!!

[KingofTheHill]

Hahhahahhahahahbahahbababah. Classic anger post of someone who knows they are wrong and runs out of anything intelligent to say. Have a good day kid.

Classic anger post my ass

More like you incompetent can't come up with anything after your little AI argument got absolutely destroyed XDXDXD

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It does take 10 seconds.
Or you could just... use 1 account and take 0 seconds
but again, memory of a goldfish.
And maybe if you weren't a insufferable prick, you wouldn't need to use a VPN to ban evade.


Oh no, i got called a nincompoop motherfucker by a random guy on mmochamp, i am soooo hurt, you have ruined me, im gunna go away and cry in a corner to never return noooooooo my one weaknessss!!!!

Yes, do exactly that, you shiteating cum guzzler who gives a fuck

[FelPlague]

Classic anger post my ass

More like you incompetent can't come up with anything after your little AI argument got absolutely destroyed XDXDXD

Hank you gotta stop wasting your days away making mmochamp account to spam people with, you gotta get back to selling propane and propane accessories.