Make Solo Dungeons Viable

[The Oblivion]

FFXIV does have Meta Achieves for Mounts/Titles.

not really. nothing meta, and the ones that exist are super out dated and for shit like tanking dungeons or mentor.

[kaintk]

yeah, give me 19 bot so i can farm easily current mythic raid FFS !!

[Thestrawman]

yeah, give me 19 bot so i can farm easily current mythic raid FFS !!

Quick! Kick the straw man more.

[Polarthief]

Introduce bots with which we can run dungeons like in FF14 already Blizzard!

Sure, as long as it's Normal/Heroic/Mythic, and not M+. Who gives a crap about babbymodes you can already solo today?

Some of y'all should learn to socialise and make friends instead of calling everyone toxic and advocating to play as a loner. That sounds like projection. Just a thought.

What? You want us to socialize in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game? You crazy. (/s)

[SkagenRora]

Lets say you can do m+ 10 solo by buying bots that carry you through the instance.

You can already do that, I've bought 2 +15 on my most recent alt so far.

[crusadernero]

You can already do that, I've bought 2 +15 on my most recent alt so far.

yeah and? So since you can already buy yourself to boosts in m+ and mythic raids, Blizzard should just add it into the core game?

Maybe a good idea. They were to lazy to crack down on gold selling, so they decided to make buying gold legal. So instead of trying to stop the blatant advertisement in trade & lfg channel for boosts(that more or less are bought by real money), they can just give us bots we can buy. 100 dollars, you get a mythic clear!

[Adamas102]

What? You want us to socialize in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game? You crazy. (/s)

It’s less a matter of socializing and more a matter of scheduling. It was less of an issue back when I was in college and was spending ridiculous amounts of time in game, helping guildies, putting groups together, joining pugs pre-LFR, etc.

Nowadays I prefer content that I can log on, start, and finish within 30-60min with no waiting and no commitment to other players. The latter part is important to me. WoW will NEVER take precedence over anything else I have to do and I don’t like leaving people hanging if I have to go afk or log for one reason or another.

People seem to think us solo players just want gear handed to us, but that isn’t the case. I think the recent trend of challenging solo content (Mage Tower and Visions) has been a good direction for the game and I look forward to seeing what we get in SL.

[SkagenRora]

yeah and? So since you can already buy yourself to boosts in m+ and mythic raids, Blizzard should just add it into the core game?

Maybe a good idea. They were to lazy to crack down on gold selling, so they decided to make buying gold legal. So instead of trying to stop the blatant advertisement in trade & lfg channel for boosts(that more or less are bought by real money), they can just give us bots we can buy. 100 dollars, you get a mythic clear!

Never bought any thing with real money, M+ boosts cost around 200k gold.

[BeepBoo]

Nobody mentioned anything about "top tier content" just a something to give players a choice to get into/through dungeons without long queuetimes.
Im arguing something I feel would be a win for the player, not to take anything away that is already there for those who want that

Right, so we're talking arbitrary lines in the sand.

Some questions I have then to get a better idea on how you think:

Why should 5 man content be solo?
Do you think, if the community gets 5 man content, they'll eventually want to remove the restrictions on raids, too?
Would M+ be forced group still?
If not, what makes m+ different enough in your mind to warrant not getting solo treatment?

[Super Kami Dende]

Tell me, where in retail wow cant you experience the game alone right now? If you dont do anything challenging content, you might awell treat the ppl there as bots. But what are you after here? Bots that carry you in difficult challenges or just a tourist mode that clears content you already will experience anyway?

I play FFXIV these days and I'd love the Squadron system from it in WoW. Especially if it was available to alts. So leveling a DPS didn't have godawful queue times.

[crusadernero]

I play FFXIV these days and I'd love the Squadron system from it in WoW. Especially if it was available to alts. So leveling a DPS didn't have godawful queue times.

Godawful queue times? have you tried now? I recently lvld a Kul Tiran monk and now im leveling a Dark Iron Mage. The queue time is between 3-6 minutes for the most part. And since its leveling, you should try to quest inbetween dungeons

[Sansnom]

And how would a tourist mode solve anything when it comes down to dungeons? People would just be upset the bots dont take them to higher difficulties for better gear. If you complete the quests in a zone then enter normal dungeon, you get the lore and story of it already. So thats not what people really want here, its something else.

Or maybe the queue time is an issue? How long are DPS queue times these days?

Not everyone plays around the same time and also plays uninterrupted. Great for those who can. That is why some games have a pause button.

[kamuimac]

Some of y'all should learn to socialise and make friends instead of calling everyone toxic and advocating to play as a loner. That sounds like projection. Just a thought.

or you dont notice that problem because you are part of toxic crowd yourself and dont want to loose that "power" you hold over them atm.

look at visions - people are perfeckly happy runing them solo for milionth time - when nothing is stoping them from grouping up

where is reason for that if not extreme toxicity of wow playerbase

same will be with thorgast

[Kokolums]

look at visions - people are perfeckly happy runing them solo for milionth time

Happy to run visions?

You are forced to run them to get cloak upgrades. There's lots of people in Visions on alts for that reason.

I just did a /who vision on Area 52 horde. 50+ people running it. But only like 15 have current raider.io scores. The rest are alts working on cloaks. And probably some of those mains are working on cloaks too. Some of those 15 are probably selling runs too.

Also, I just checked twitch and I don't see anyone streaming Visions.

Running them a MILLION times? Really?

[Zremax]

That could be pretty sick actually.

[Very Tired]

Actually seems like a bit of an unneeded point right now because WoW is already moving into more solo friendly content. Blizz has seen the success of Horrific Visions and taken it as a positive sign to move ahead with Torghast, which should be even better. Obviously a ton of people are looking forward to that next expansion as it seems to be taking front stage.

Ideally, a system I could see working is Raids for large groups, Mythic+ for small groups, and stuff like Torghast for solo players. They all reward gear and what not, but the difficulty increases with the less amount of players you have with you, being most difficult in solo content for the same itemlevel gear.

I would have preferred seeing 470 gear from HV a bit harder to get, seeing as just about anyone should be able to clear a 5 mask run now. But it's also balanced around the fact that HV gear only drops for a select few slots, and only 1 piece of gear per item level per week. Hopefully Torghast will have some different amazing rewards.

[crusadernero]

Or maybe the queue time is an issue? How long are DPS queue times these days?

Not everyone plays around the same time and also plays uninterrupted. Great for those who can. That is why some games have a pause button.

As dps. Right now theres alot of people playing cause of the 100% exp buff.

[Yriel]

Tbh, the gogogogo crowd is like a 1 in a 1000 problem if you are a normal tank. It is really unnoticeable if you are not super slow. And if you are learning, announce that at the start. I don't know if the number of dps pulling additional stuff intentionally is in the double digits of my 1000+ dungeons ranked in legion+bfa.
If every dungeon some tells you to ogogo, then you are the common denominator.

They don't tell that to me, they tell that to the tank. I'm usually the healer. Still it annoys me because i don't like rushing through a dungeon and always acting as if there is some invisible time limit.
Everyone just runs shortcuts and is evading everything and i wonder why they even play the dungeon it they hate it so much that they skip 60% of it. I see the necessity in Mythic+ but not in heroics. I had more fun in dungeons the way they were played before the introduction if M+ (tbh i liked the classic/TBC dungeon gameplay the most with cc'ing and planned pulls and stuff).

[tmamass]

I still enjoy playing with others, but don't think it should be required to 100% of the time just to have fun in the game.

and it isnt 100%. you can still go around and do stuff on your own....

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Why is it their problem that people are toxic? That kind of reply is not helping.

The problem sits in front of YOUR monitor. You dont wanna play with people BUT you want all the goods... why not play something like diablo? thats 100% soloable and just when you want it you play with someone else. WoW was always intented as a GROUP game. deal with it or play something else.
This game doesnt have to be ruined so that EVERY Joe is happy.

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Or just give us a solo option for those that prefer that.
Why not expand the option to all content?

because its a mmo and not diablo. go play diablo and be happy but stop trying to ruin a mmo

[Super Kami Dende]

and it isnt 100%. you can still go around and do stuff on your own...

Yes and I'd like them to expand on how much stuff that is.