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    Optimize Holy Ask Mr Robot vs Automaticjak

    Note: below is for Mythic+ healing only, not raids.


    I realize AMR is not leet players 1st choice for simz etc over raidbots. I dont need every last % of performance, I prefer a quick and easy tool that gets me 90% there regarding optimizing combos of gear, traits, essences etc.

    I've found automaticjak pretty good resource to learn/improve.

    1st question, I have is that AMR is suggesting I stack Mastery on enchants, while AJ has Mastery as the worst of the secondary stats. How can these two resources be so far off from each other? This late in the expansion I would think all sources would have same info for such basic stuff.

    Also is AMR even worth using or is the feedback so bad its not worth the effort ?

    edit.. also AMR vs AJ are pretty far off on azerite traits as well.
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    mastery is for raids

    crit/haste is for m+

    azerit just use 3xflashheal trait and 1-3xserenity trait

    essence Major well of existence or vitality conduct - minor vitality/well - Spirit of Preservation - The Ever-Rising Tide

    vitality conduct major is especially good for necrotic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flura View Post
    mastery is for raids

    crit/haste is for m+

    azerit just use 3xflashheal trait and 1-3xserenity trait

    essence Major well of existence or vitality conduct - minor vitality/well - Spirit of Preservation - The Ever-Rising Tide

    vitality conduct major is especially good for necrotic
    Very much this and, from my personal experience, if you set AMR to Mythic+ Strategy and the correct major essence, it will prioritize these stats. In fact, I just ran the strategy over my Mastery-heavy read healing build and it shifted me me to Crit/Haste and reduced my mastery as much as it could.

    I've had only positive experiences with AMR and have successfully used it for both Holy and Shadow for years with top notch performance results. The results from AMR also always match up with Raidbots, which is to be expected. As you said "all sources would have same info for such basic stuff", and that seems to be so for these two, arguably largest sites of this kind.
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    thanks. all good info.

    yes mastery for raids which I rarely do, i had AMR set to mythic+. I must have had some other setting wrong. I'll go back thru and check it all out.

    azerit just use 3xflashheal trait and 1-3xserenity trait
    I didn't realize traits were that easy to optimize. good to know

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    I'm out of the loop for a while so take this with a grain of salt, but essentially the following "logic" applies...

    The high mastery build would be favored when considering healing volume in large group situations where the tool is attempting to give you the highest output achievable in a sort-of "black box" scenario.

    However, in high intensity situations where you are doing a lot of raid mechanics or responding to "twitch" variations in health bars and lots of super spikey damage, the crit and haste will fair better even if it doesn't look good on paper, because speed and the occasional "big heal" in a clutch situation will save lives and keep the players going longer.

    The above logic in state analysis doesn't just apply to healing. There were many times where Shadow stats had the same sort of dichotomy as well.

    As others said in the thread, the tools have gotten quite good compared to how they used to be, and you can more or less tweak the settings of the simulation until you get the stats you want.

    A lot of single-person theorycrafters, such as myself and perhaps Jack, will often pick one environment or set of stats that work best in either most situations, or the situation that they care about the most, or the situation that they deem to be the most important, and just suggest that. Suggesting a bunch of different builds is both impractical and also can tend to muddy the waters when you're speaking towards an audience whose attention may be very limited. Deeper discussions are great and a welcome addition, but if you're writing a guide for the community, you generally take a bit of a "shotgun" approach to it, hoping to hit the largest number of people at the same time. But because of this there will always be a few outliers who fall outside of the range...

    As a theorycrafter, it was quite bothersome to have people tell me such and such stats weren't good because of some niche situation, but the game has been shifting towards that level of complexity for quite a while now. You can even build custom sets of gear to fight individual bosses now, based on the type of damage and your specific raid comp and role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilee25 View Post
    but if you're writing a guide for the community, you generally take a bit of a "shotgun" approach to it, hoping to hit the largest number of people at the same time.
    thx. good post. all made sense. especially this

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