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  1. #201
    I get you. I just went back to farm a few reps and the gear has me overwhelmed. I'm not even trying. Doing my bee rep and going on a break again until shadowlands. Can't be bothered with these crappy gear systems that will be gone in 6 months.

  2. #202
    They really need to ease up the essence acquisition. Just let returning players buy them with echoes on nylotha without requirements and cheaper or something.

  3. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    And every single FF player that I know will readily admit that the gap from the end of Reborn to the start of Heavensward is absolute dogshit and its something the devs have said they will change.
    I did most of it before Heavensward dropped, and still when I came back and started Heavensward is was an awful grind. FFXIV is a very different style of game from WoW, in that a lot of it about about the journey, and if you don't like questing and doing story it's going to suck.

    I tend to play FF for a few months, then quit again for a while, because the quest design feels annoyingly old and slow - too much go there, come back, go there, come back (this may have changed - I never got to L70 due to irritation with the game). Also I don't much like the way the combat rotations have evolved, but that's a personal thing.

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Tronski View Post
    This here is what is referred to as a strawman argument, and tends to make the user look like a fool or an american politician (same thing really).

    I could probably try to explain that there are several sets of 2% in 100% of the playerbase, or use a venn-diagram to illustrate what we call overlap, but that feels wasted on a fool.

    And no. No, I did not refer to the cutting edge raiders, although i cannot completely rule out some overlap.
    all you're doing in this post is insulting me and America as a whole.

  5. #205
    The catch-up does take too long, Blizzard dumps a million new systems on returning players and then leaves them in a neverending grind where they will progress more than an expansion's worth in player power. It's convoluted and unnecessarily grindy, but it keeps players with stuff to do, BFA content might be grindy but there is probably more content than any other prior expansion.

    The corruption/essence system is crazy, given how Blizzard have wanted players to know what an upgrade is without simming and now you have 3 entirely separate systems that all intertwine with hilarious levels of RNG involved that need a hilarious amount of simming to get to the bottom of.. It's excessive, but at least the overpowered corruptions are fun, if not balanced.
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  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Twi501 View Post
    A million visions to level up your cloak? Months long grind to max cloak? Your aware they just cut the cloak grind by 2/3 right? I got my cloak from rank 6 to 15 this week... solo I might add. And with the corruption vendor they just put in you can have solid corruptions in 2-3 weeks.

    As for gear catch up. My resto druid dinged 120 on saturday and was ilvl 445 and ready for heroic raiding come Tuesday.
    dang u were unlucky,when i came back in 8.3 my guild got me to 460 first week and mythic ready for next week and i wasnt some carry in mythic i was healer,but a shaman so pretty chill

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by pr0fite View Post
    So i came back a Week ago after i took a break Shortly before the Eternal Palace Patch (8.2 - 8.2.5 i think)

    And i totally got overwhelmed with all the stuff i have to do to get back into the Game (cleared BoD on Mythic aswell as pushed ~20keys)

    Ranking up Essences takes so fucking long (5 Weeks for Conflict and Strive if your Arena rating is under 1600 and i cant manage to break the 1600 and it would still take 3 Weeks, yeah i suck at PvP, but never had that much trouble getting to 1600)

    I'm kinda lucky i have a friend that carried me through my 15+ Key for the Weekly Chest aswell as Nya'Lotha HC with his Guild, but still since 1 1/2 Weeks i'm doing nothing else than Dailys (Yay Lucid Dreams is pretty much mandatory for Fire).

    Or am i Missing something, since if not the New player Experience in BfA is utter Garbage, no Wonder WoW dosnt get any New Players :S
    Its not just you.Even though they have added a ton of catch up mechanics it still is a huge grind and confusing mess.You gotta get gear that is easy enough but then there are essences,the neck to level,the cloak,and dumb corruption.Its just to much and makes me not want to play anything but my main.

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Rotted View Post
    For me the catch up mechanisms weren't the issue. I went during the first raid tier and came back a few weeks ago.

    Let me stress I don't want this to come across as "theres to much to do!" rant. But I found while it was a decent chunk of stuff to do, there was absolutely no clear direction to go. I was bombarded with quests on log in, I found myself doing one thing, then being ripped away to do the sunken city content w/e its called. But then I found out I had a core mechanism missing that was achieved before that patch. I found out what it was called and read up on it on wiki, but again, no clear way on where to find it and start with it.

    I think the best word I can think of trying to navigate everything was suffocating. It just put me off wanting to do any of the story
    That explains this entire expansion rather well.

    It's just a mess. Not gonna lie, my alts are overwhelmed with the amount of stuff thrown in their faces as well when I started prepping them. Now that they're basically ready to step into mythic, they still have almost all of the quests up in Boralus, there was like 2 that really needed doing.

    It's hard to pinpoint what's exactly wrong, but I agree with the sentiment that it's overwhelming and very, very off putting to go to Boralus, and here you go, do all this stuff, with no sense of achievement/reward behind any of them, idk.

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Huzzaa View Post
    That explains this entire expansion rather well.

    It's just a mess. Not gonna lie, my alts are overwhelmed with the amount of stuff thrown in their faces as well when I started prepping them. Now that they're basically ready to step into mythic, they still have almost all of the quests up in Boralus, there was like 2 that really needed doing.

    It's hard to pinpoint what's exactly wrong, but I agree with the sentiment that it's overwhelming and very, very off putting to go to Boralus, and here you go, do all this stuff, with no sense of achievement/reward behind any of them, idk.
    The pinpoint for me is easy. The layers upon layers of borrowed power.

    Prior to Legion there was only 1 thing you needed to worry about with an alt or returning character. Gear. Yes there was rep that gave gear or some sort of badge system for gear. But they all flowed into getting gear.
    Now you have that same need for gear, but you also need to worry about Essences and Corruption and because both are often locked behind daily grinds you have a huge set of 'mandatory' daily activities that simply don't leave you with time/energy to do those 'worthless' quests in Boralis where previously you did a little work for gear and then had some fun doing a bunch of quests.
    In order to keep people constantly engaged Blizzard added a lot of stuff that means you now have a constant reminder that you could be doing X/Y/Z for power instead of having fun and its tiring.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Athulua View Post
    Now there is an additional grind on top of all this: echoes of nyalotha so you can purchase the corruptions you need.
    And you have to farm about a million HVisions to rank up your cloak as well.
    Of cource access to HV is time gated behind daily quests because why it wouldn't be

    Up until (and including) Cataclysm there were no such bullshit systems in place. There were legendary questlines that took a long time to finish but it was for one player in the guild. Not for EVERYONE having to take such a monumental grind. I hit level 85, farmed some valor points, purchased some starter gear, then joined my guild farm raid and got boosted (since most of us didn't needed the drops at this point) and there ya go, character ready for progression. Now this isn't very possible. Even if you unlock your essences you need MONTHS of grinding to max out cloak and obtain strong corruptions.
    which is all not needed to clear content. It's just quality of life. The problem is that every player thinks he absolutely need all bis corruptions and maxed gear to enjoy and play the game.
    Also you are overexaggerating. Leveling the cloak is WAY faster now and OFC if you have a level system like the cloak you have to timegate it. Otherwise people would just boost through it...and someone would open a thread that the game "forces" him to grind 24/7 to get the cloak maxed out.
    There is a lot to complain about bfa. Somehow you managed to point those things out.
    For example: Haven't played my monk since uldir and got him on 470+ with the mandatory essences and some corruptions in a month.
    You could complain about the purpose of borrowed power or the absurd amount of rng which makes the game often feel SO frustrating. But complaining that you have to grind for MONTHS to get raid ready is just not true dude.

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Twi501 View Post
    A million visions to level up your cloak? Months long grind to max cloak? Your aware they just cut the cloak grind by 2/3 right? I got my cloak from rank 6 to 15 this week... solo I might add. And with the corruption vendor they just put in you can have solid corruptions in 2-3 weeks.

    As for gear catch up. My resto druid dinged 120 on saturday and was ilvl 445 and ready for heroic raiding come Tuesday.
    It's incredibly confusing that they cut the cloak grind (which is current content) but they are stubbornly sticking to keeping the essence grinds from last patch intact.

    For a 110, the game is basically level for 10 hours, then grind essences for like 50 hours spread out over weeks. It's totally out of whack.
    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    I don't really hate bfa, outside of the extreme rng and crap systems and garbage gameplay

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