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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhozul View Post
    The Tauren aren't Neutral because the Alliance marched out of Dustwallow Marsh just before the events of Cataclysm and raised Camp Taujaro, slaying most of the people there and forcing all of the surviving residents of the peaceful outpost to flee into Quilboar territory where they were murdered.
    Taraujo wasn't "peaceful" though, considering it has been supplying the Horde by training and outfitting their warriors and hunters. That's like saying Theramore was a "peaceful" outpost, though.

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    there is an entire spectrum of cowardice,
    And you are accusing Baine of being the "worst of the worst" type of coward:
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    Not all taurens are spineless cowards like Baine
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    yes, and Baine is both, a pacifist and a spineless coward
    In other words, the kind of coward who wouldn't even think of questioning the warchief in fear of reprisal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post

    And you are accusing Baine of being the "worst of the worst" type of coward:
    Just because i put the adjective "spinless" don't even imply he is the worse of the worst, this is entirelly your prokection and nitpicking showing again.

    i even say not all of then, implying there is more peacemongers like baine, lmao

    In other words, the kind of coward who wouldn't even think of questioning the warchief in fear of reprisal.
    in your words, don't try to distort my words because you love nitpicking, he is a coward who don't act against genocide or other shit, simple as that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Taraujo wasn't "peaceful" though, considering it has been supplying the Horde by training and outfitting their warriors and hunters. That's like saying Theramore was a "peaceful" outpost, though.
    training warriors and hunters as mere ingame trainers don't make then not peaceful, taurujo never was a danger to the alliance forces who were invading tauren lands, Taurujo never acted as horde base to attack the alliance, so its dishonest compare with Theramore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Just because i put the adjective "spinless" don't even imply he is the worse of the worst, this is entirelly your prokection and nitpicking showing again.
    But by using the adjective "spineless" you're implying that Baine is not a "light" type of coward, but the kind that would shake in their boots just by having the warchief look at him with a frown, which, again, means such a character would never even question the warchief for fear of reprisal.

    training warriors and hunters as mere ingame trainers don't make then not peaceful, taurujo never was a danger to the alliance forces who were invading tauren lands, Taurujo never acted as horde base to attack the alliance, so its dishonest compare with Theramore.
    Peaceful is not synonymous with "non-threatening" by the simple fact it was training and outfitting warriors and hunters. Remember that Alliance acted on the information that Taraujo was indeed being used as a staging ground for an attack on Theramore. Wrong information, but the characters did not know that at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    But by using the adjective "spineless" you're implying that Baine is not a "light" type of coward, but the kind that would shake in their boots just by having the warchief look at him with a frown, which, again, means such a character would never even question the warchief for fear of reprisal.
    you are saying that i said he was the worst, you are projecting and nittpicking my response that was mostly with an sarcastic air, thats why i only used spineless in the first post

    Again, you are nitpicking and trying to change what i mean, you are projecting that i was implying he was the kind of who didn't even question, and my entire point in all those pages is how he never acted

    Peaceful is not synonymous with "non-threatening" by the simple fact it was training and outfitting warriors and hunters. Remember that Alliance acted on the information that Taraujo was indeed being used as a staging ground for an attack on Theramore. Wrong information, but the characters did not know that at the time.
    It was not threatening, harmless training hunters and warriors as a class, isn't a threat

    i know they acted with wrong information, but it was peaceful and was not threatening the alliance, totally different from theramore that you tried to put in the same bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    you are saying that i said he was the worst, you are projecting and nittpicking my response that was mostly with an sarcastic air, thats why i only used spineless in the first post
    You used the adjective twice.

    Again, you are nitpicking and trying to change what i mean, you are projecting that i was implying he was the kind of who didn't even question, and my entire point in all those pages is how he never acted
    You're the one calling him a coward. A coward simply would not question the Warchief. Simple as that.

    It was not threatening, harmless training hunters and warriors as a class, isn't a threat
    Oh, please. There's no such thing as "harmlessly training hunters and warriors". Why do you think they were training soldiers? To work as gardeners and babysitters? Any place that works as a military station, even if there's civilians living there, is not "non-threatening".

    Otherwise, Theramore is not a threat and attacking it was wrong.

    i know they acted with wrong information, but it was peaceful and was not threatening the alliance, totally different from theramore that you tried to put in the same bag.
    They are in the exact same "bag".
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    Theramore was a legitimate military target, it'd be one thing if it was a unfortified town, but this was a walled city with battleships and troops. Also Rhonin died in the blast so i'd say that's a huge win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    You used the adjective twice.
    wow, sure that invalidate my entire point

    You're the one calling him a coward. A coward simply would not question the Warchief. Simple as that.
    a coward would do that yes, also, a coward would not ACT, against the warchief, that is simple
    Oh, please. There's no such thing as "harmlessly training hunters and warriors". Why do you think they were training soldiers?
    there is nothing saying they were training soldiers, isn't like a militar based of training to raise more kor'kron
    To work as gardeners and babysitters? Any place that works as a military station, even if there's civilians living there, is not "non-threatening".
    there was no threat and they never did a thing, they attack literally because the intel was wrong about it
    Otherwise, Theramore is not a threat and attacking it was wrong.


    They are in the exact same "bag"
    they aren't and again, is dishonest to say that, theramore was sending resources and reinforcements to attack the horde, directly, and acted as a main alliance base to attack the horde, taurujo never done such thing
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    Why aren't Draenei neutral? Well let me see now...



    Ah yes, that would be why.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    a coward would do that yes, also, a coward would not ACT, against the warchief, that is simple
    And Baine did act against the warchief, therefore proving he is not a coward. We're getting somewhere, finally.

    there is nothing saying they were training soldiers, isn't like a militar based of training to raise more kor'kron
    Other than training and outfitting warriors and hunters for the Horde.

    there was no threat and they never did a thing, they attack literally because the intel was wrong about it
    It's an outpost training and outfitting soldiers for the Horde, and that it could be used as staging grounds for an incursion into Durstwallow Marsh. Everything you're using to disqualify Taraujo as a valid military target also disqualifies Theramore.


    they aren't and again, is dishonest to say that, theramore was sending resources and reinforcements to attack the horde, directly, and acted as a main alliance base to attack the horde, taurujo never done such thing[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    And Baine did act against the warchief, therefore proving he is not a coward. We're getting somewhere, finally.
    is like "a guy killed people before, but now he didn't, so he isn't a murderer"


    my dude, you can't erase Baine past of cowardice because he did something sneaky in the end of the expansion, no matter how you try

    Other than training and outfitting warriors and hunters for the Horde.
    ergo, not a threat to the alliance

    It's an outpost training and outfitting soldiers for the Horde
    they were just trainers there, they were not "outfitting soldiers" any city have hunter of warriors trainers, those trainers were mostly defending their own people against quilboars, not a threat to the alliance in any way

    and that it could be used as staging grounds for an incursion into Durstwallow Marsh. Everything you're using to disqualify Taraujo as a valid military target also disqualifies Theramore.
    it could be is different than it was
    they aren't and again, is dishonest to say that, theramore was sending resources and reinforcements to attack the horde, directly, and acted as a main alliance base to attack the horde
    why is dishonesty when its the truth?

    taurujo never done such thing
    and they did not

    lets see how you can distort more things to fit this narrative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    is like "a guy killed people before, but now he didn't, so he isn't a murderer"
    Only it's nowhere near the same thing as you're, once again, equating a crime to being a coward. Apples and oranges, dude.

    my dude, you can't erase Baine past of cowardice because he did something sneaky in the end of the expansion, no matter how you try
    He questioned Garrosh as well, and joined the rebellion against him. Once again, those aren't the actions of a coward.

    ergo, not a threat to the alliance
    That's like saying me pointing a gun in your direction is not a threat to you.

    they were just trainers there, they were not "outfitting soldiers" any city have hunter of warriors trainers, those trainers were mostly defending their own people against quilboars, not a threat to the alliance in any way
    Oh, please, don't try to imply that those soldiers were being trained solely to fight the quilboar, especially when there are Alliance outposts near it. They were training soldiers. And that's it. Any sort of military outpost, is a valid military target.

    it could be is different than it was
    The same thing could be said about Theramore.

    why is dishonesty when its the truth?



    and they did not

    lets see how you can distort more things to fit this narrative
    ... Did you honestly never realize that in your your last two quotes you were literally arguing against yourself?
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    they aren't and again, is dishonest to say that, theramore was sending resources and reinforcements to attack the horde, directly, and acted as a main alliance base to attack the horde, taurujo never done such thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderZebra View Post
    Or better solution, no garrosh

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    Burning Legion would of invaded Dreanor eventually regardless and the Orcs made a road of thier skulls so......even i guess?
    in Rise of the Horde, they made it very clear that BL didn't want to invade Dreanor and considered it low priority planet, Archimonde even scolded Kil'jaiden for checking it (before they know it had the hidden draenei)
    So a big clear fat no, if it wasn't for draenei, BL wouldn't touched that planet in a million year, not before love-to-rape-lolis Sargeras penetrated every plant that had a loli titan soul first
    Also orcs slaughtered their own kind, not just draenei, with bloodlust and prior to dark portal creation the horde turned on each other, and even before that they killed any tribe that refused the blood offering like white claw alongside the draenei
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  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    Baine is, at worst, already neutral. The draenei kind of already had their arc with Legion and are rolling with the story at this point it seems. Their whole thing was returning home to defeat the Legion, job done, thanks Alliance.

    Heck, if you want a headcanon, they might just be chilling in the Exodar for the forseeable future working on their ship to get off this planet. There was an Anduin comic that seemed to imply the Exodar was fixed in the distant future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    He questioned Garrosh as well, and joined the rebellion against him. Once again, those aren't the actions of a coward.
    HE declared Vol´Jin a traitor when questioning Garosh, the question alone being a death sentence by his own words he is a traitor.
    Fucking Bane is not only a traitor to the horde as a whole, no matter the warchief but to his own people. Cairne is turning in his grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cirdanx View Post
    HE declared Vol´Jin a traitor when questioning Garosh, the question alone being a death sentence by his own words he is a traitor.
    Fucking Bane is not only a traitor to the horde as a whole, no matter the warchief but to his own people. Cairne is turning in his grave.
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    Even with Baine single-hoofedly being responsible for uniting the Horde and Alliance against Sylvanas with his act of courage we still get the thread degrading into hating on him. Good grief, I swear the guy could have died this expansion saving a hundred horde orphanages from Sylvanas setting them on fire and we'd still have people here wanting to hunt him into the Shadowlands to dig up this dead horse and continue beating it.

    As far as I"m concerned with the faction war declared over, they are neutral.

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    Why aren't Draenei neutral? Well let me see now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Only it's nowhere near the same thing as you're, once again, equating a crime to being a coward. Apples and oranges, dude.
    its the same damn scenario, you are excuing and ignoring the past for something recent "he isn't a coward because even if he was a damn coward before now he did something, so automatically erase his past cowardice!1!!!""

    He questioned Garrosh as well, and joined the rebellion against him. Once again, those aren't the actions of a coward.
    the actions of a no-coward, would be challenge his warchief and either start the rebellion, or join before garrosh had kicked out everyone else

    he was a coward for not facing garrosh

    That's like saying me pointing a gun in your direction is not a threat to you.
    talk alot about comparing apples to orages

    the weapon, isn't pointing to you, youa re just afraid of it, if you were in my house trying to kill me
    Oh, please, don't try to imply that those soldiers were being trained solely to fight the quilboar, especially when there are Alliance outposts near it. They were training soldiers. And that's it. Any sort of military outpost, is a valid military target.
    "the alliance outpost is near then, invading their lands and assassin their people, of course they are a threat to the alliance"

    jesus, do you even read yourself
    The same thing could be said about Theramore.
    it could not
    ... Did you honestly never realize that in your your last two quotes you were literally arguing against yourself?
    ima arguing with someone who don't even know what he is doing here, you are nitpicking and read hearing the entire conversation, and now want to paint theramore at the same as taurujo to improve your nonsense narrative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    the actions of a no-coward, would be challenge his warchief and either start the rebellion, or join before garrosh had kicked out everyone else

    he was a coward for not facing garrosh
    He did face Garrosh. Because he joined the rebellion. A coward would not.

    talk alot about comparing apples to orages

    the weapon, isn't pointing to you, youa re just afraid of it, if you were in my house trying to kill me
    Alright. Let me rephrase: "that's like as if your drunkard of a neighbor who has tendencies to lash out and physically assault random people now owns a gun."

    it could not
    It can, yes. And I've explained that. Civilians? Check. "Non-threatening"? Check.

    ima arguing with someone who don't even know what he is doing here
    Considering you were literally arguing against yourself, I tend to agree. You were indeed "arguing against someone who don't even know what he is doing here."

    you are nitpicking and read hearing the entire conversation, and now want to paint theramore at the same as taurujo to improve your nonsense narrative
    That's because they are. Both are "valid military targets". And any argument used to disqualify one from being a military target, also disqualifies the other.
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    The Draenei are neutral, they are just sticking with the Alliance until they can bail on Azeroth. The only thing that matters to the Draenei is themselves and their Naaru masters. As for the Tauren, they go neutral the first thing that will happen is Magatha takes over and the tauren become the new orcs genociding everything in Kalimdor because tauren supremacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    He did face Garrosh. Because he joined the rebellion. A coward would not.
    Again, not in mak'gora, not the way he should have done, he spend cataclysm till the last patch of mop in cowardice until he had a rebelion to stand, exactly what cowards do

    Things are straight forward, Baine could have faced Garrosh in mak'gora, but he was too much of a coward to do so, you can't argue with that because the reelion came up later

    Baine in another reality was not a coward, he faced Garrosh and took the Warchief position
    It can, yes. And I've explained that. Civilians? Check. "Non-threatening"? Check.
    Are you sure saying with a straight up face that theramore was "non-threatening" the horde? are you joking?
    Considering you were literally arguing against yourself, I tend to agree. You were indeed "arguing against someone who don't even know what he is doing here."
    did you just went back to the kindergarten years of argumentation?
    That's because they are. Both are "valid military targets". And any argument used to disqualify one from being a military target, also disqualifies the other.
    one isn't a valid target

    they literally only attacked because they received false information saying it was a valid target


    if false information, said it was a valid target, obviously in truth, it was not, pretty straight forward.

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