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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar 331 View Post
    "Very little racism" is still too much. Yes it isn't a daily occurrence for most but the fact it happens is still racism.

    I am a white man who lives in south Georgia and I don't see it too often, but it does happen.
    You won't get rid of all racism, that's just wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    I didn't say there is no racism in the US. Do you not read what you quote? xD
    You said there is very little racism.

    That woman KNEW that if she just said a black man threatens her life, he will get hurt. "very little racism" my ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    You said there is very little racism.

    That woman KNEW that if she just said a black man threatens her life, he will get hurt. "very little racism" my ass
    Like I said before, people exaggerate how prevalent it is. This is exaggerated, people act as if it's world ending that some woman did that, as if it's somehow very prevalent but it isn't very prevalent.

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    I swear the next thing I'm going to hear is 'it's only racism if they hit you with the hard R'.

    Like I said before, people exaggerate how prevalent it is. This is exaggerated, people act as if it's world ending that some woman did that, as if it's somehow very prevalent but it isn't very prevalent
    Damn near got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    You won't get rid of all racism, that's just wishful thinking.
    Very true, but these protests aren't about getting rid of all racism. It's about the systemic racism occurring in our law enforcement that has been unpunished for decades. If it were any other form of corruption it would (hopefully) be fixed, but time and again it happens. Often times with video evidence of the incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I swear the next thing I'm going to hear is 'it's only racism if they hit you with the hard R'.
    I swear, they would also downplay anti-semitism in the early 30s in Germany.
    Which they actually basically do. The situation in the US over the last few years (since Trump) feels eerily similar to the early 30s in Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I swear the next thing I'm going to hear is 'it's only racism if they hit you with the hard R'.
    I mean, this person is clearly mainlining reactions to his or her smug, willful ignorance. We should all be compassionate and cut off her supply.
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
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    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    https://twitter.com/ericabuddington/...31249914601472

    Maybe this thread will help them.
    If they read it, that is.
    Brief summary:

    "This #thread is for those of you struggling to comprehend that the recent murders are just a fraction of racial violence in the United States. We are protesting for #GeorgeFloyd #BreonnaTaylor, #AhmaudArbery AND hundreds of years of oppression."

    Mentioned are as follows:

    1) The Cincinnati Riots, 1829 - Due to a rapid increase of Black migrants to the city, mobs of 200-300 white rioters attacked Black neighborhoods hoping to push them out of the city.
    2) The Anti-Abolition Riots, NYC, 1834 - Week long riot, put down by military force. Resentment of Black Americans caused rioters to control whole sections of the city while they attacked the homes, businesses, and churches of abolitionist leaders & ransacked black neighborhoods.
    3) The Pennsylvania Hall Fire, 1838- Furious that the hall was being used for abolitionist meetings and speeches given by Black people and women, a mob destroyed the hall.
    4) Christiana Riot, 1851 - Four "fugitive" enslaved persons hid in Christiana, PA. A Maryland mob intent on recapturing them were met by defenders and a fight ensued. The slaveowner died in this fight and the incident polarized the national slavery debate.
    5) NYC Draft Riots, 1863 - The white working class was upset b/c of the Civil War draft and resented free Black people who were employed in Lower Manhattan. White rioters attacked Black people throughout the city. The death toll was 119+ people.
    6) The Memphis massacre of 1866 was a series of violent events that occurred from May 1 to 3, 1866 in Memphis, Tennessee. A shooting "altercation" happened between police and Black Civil War veterans. Mobs of white residents and policemen rampaged through Black neighborhoods.
    7) New Orleans Massacre, 1866 - Unarmed protesters (Black veterans) arrived to rally for voting rights. They were met by a group of armed whites who opposed abolition. The marchers were stabbed, kicked, clubbed, and shot. 50 people were killed.
    8) Opelousas Massacre, 1868 - "The deadliest massacre in reconstruction-era Louisiana happened 150 years ago." (Smithsonian) A white school teacher/journalist on the side of Black liberation was beaten. Black ppl were accused of plotting revenge and 250 people were killed.
    9) Meridian, Mississippi, 1871 - Black men were accused of inciting a riot, starting a fire, and organizing. During the trial, the judge was shot in the courtroom and a gunfight erupted. 30 Black people were murdered over the following days.
    10) Clinton Riots, Missisippi, 1875



    11) Hamburg Massacre, South Carolina - White supremacists wanted to regain control of state governments and eradicate the civil rights of Black Americans. 100 white men attacked Black people. 94 white men were indicted for murder by a coroner's jury, none were prosecuted.
    12) Carroll County Courthouse Massacre, Mississippi, 1886 - Ed and Charley Brown, who were part Native American and Black, spilled molasses they were delivering. They were accused of intentionally spilling the molasses. An argument ended in all men wounded…during the trial…50 armed white men stormed the courtroom and opened fire on the Brown brothers and the other Black ppl in attendance. Both brothers were killed along w/ 21+ other Black ppl. All victims of the massacre were Black; no whites were injured.
    13) Thibodaux Massacre, Louisiana 1887 - Cane cutters, while "free," weren't allowed to own land, rent, and their families lived in old slave cabins. Instead of cash, workers got scrip that bought basics at plantation stores. Workers banded together in several sugar parishes…
    14) New Orleans Dockworkers' Riot, 1894 - Non-union Black dockworkers were attacked by white dockworkers, accused of agreeing to lower wages. The riot left six Black laborers dead and many other wounded.
    15) Virden, Illinois Race Riot, 1898 -Birmingham miners arrive to Virden, to help during a strike. Greeted by 300 armed white miners. 7 striking miners and 5 guards were killed, with as many as thirty individuals wounded, including a Black Birmingham miner.
    16) Newburg, NY, 1899 - Black workers were hired to fill labor shortages in brick yards. Several strikes broke out at multiple brickyards as non-Black workers protested the hiring of more Black ppl. Racial tensions and fights broke out. 2 Black men were injured.
    17) Robert Charles Riot, New Orleans, 1900 - Black laborer Robert Charles fatally shot a white police officer. Manhunt for him ensued, and a white mob started rioting, attacking Black ppl throughout the city. 4 days later, Charles was shot by a "special police volunteer."
    18) Springfield, Illinois, 1908 - Two Black men were accused of rape and murder. When a sheriff moved them out of the city for trial, a mob of 5,000 murdered Black citizens on the streets. 16 people died. 1 Black suspect was convicted and sentenced to death and the other was let go.
    19) East St. Louis, Illinois, 1917 - Rumor was: Black men were speaking to white women during a labor meeting. Thousands of white men marched into downtown East St. Louis and began attacking Black ppl and burning buildings. 6,000 Black ppl were left homeless. Deaths in the hundreds.
    20) Knoxville, Tennessee, 1919 - A lynch mob stormed the county jail in search of Maurice Mays, a biracial man who had been accused of murdering a white woman. When they couldn't find him, they destroyed and shot up the Black neighborhood.

    It goes on like this for at least 75 more posts, ending in one of the most recent:

    Charleston, South Carolina 2015 - A white man indoctrinated by far right extremists publishes a manifesto on the internet and drives to the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, killing nine black people including their pastor during a session of Bible Study. This is was his explanation given:

    "I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me."

    But yeah, tell us how good black people have it in America.

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    Seattle just went into lockdown, SPD has been called out to disperse the protesters and enforce curfew. 1992 here we come...sigh.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    This is history. Not today.

    Might as well just @Natta Lmo, how do you think they fare compared to people living under a pretty much military dictatorship?
    lol... why u ask this? obvious to anyone that people under military dictatorship is worse than people living in a free country...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Read the article. They said they are investigating online posts encouraging people to go there and create chaos. They have not proven that any neo-nazi's have actually been looting. We will know who actually looted when they are arrested.
    Try again.

    He said some of the 40 arrests made in the Twin Cities Friday night were of people linked to white supremacist groups and organized crime.

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    I don't know how to feel about the riots. On the one hand, it is self destructive, destroying communities and the livelihoods of people within them. However the anger is very real and legitimate. It has two aspects to it. The first should concern everyone. Regardless of race, do you want to live in a society where an officer of the law can murder someone in the street who is restrained? If I can ignore the racial element for a second, if you look at that and think "it is just a black man" or "it is just a criminal", then you are also saying "it is ok if it happens to me or something I care about", the world isn't as neat as "cops just kill people I don't like", if you find it acceptable to murder someone you don't like (and lets be clear, this wasn't a preservation of life scenario, there was simply no need for this to have happened), it rings hollow if you then protest and object if it happens to someone you do care about. Calling out and being against this type of behaviour from the police is also an appeal that they don't do it to you.

    The second aspect is clearly the racial element which can't be ignored. The image of white cops killing black men has been around for so long in the US. No matter what progress might be made in places, when stuff like this happens, it undoes all of that progress and reinforces the idea that black men (I emphasise black men, to the best of my knowledge even in the days of slavery, the racists weren't as murderous towards black women, though that doesn't mean to say that they weren't cruel or never killed them) need to fear for their lives when interacting with the police. It isn't healthy for society as a whole, nevermind communities within that society to be this fearful of the police, and lets not beat about the bush, there is a real and legitimate grievance here that can't be ignored.

    It begs the question, and if I am being ignorant here please enlighten me, I maybe haven't followed this as closely as I could have, but would the murder charges have been brought without the riots? It shouldn't take actions like that for the process of justice to be started. Whilst I can't condone it, and it will be interesting to see what all groups are involved, there are certainly types who see a case like this and think "YES!" as it gives them an excuse to wreck things, it is very difficult to not have sympathy with the underlying anger that has sparked it. I would have been interested to see what had happened if the instant this crime came to light, instead of just sacking the officers, they were arrested and charged aka what they should have done in the first place.

    Will this be a catalyst for change? Who knows, but I doubt it. This isn't the first case of its kind, I can't imagine it will be the last. And ultimately anger makes it easy for hatred to breed. And no matter how justified the anger is, when hatred starts to spread, it becomes everyone's problem and can make a movement toxic, which I don't want to see. Civil rights groups have been fighting hatred for centuries, the most impactful ones tended to be the ones that didn't fight fire with fire. How many black businesses were destroyed by these riots? How many innocent people have had their lives upended by this? Does injustice validate visiting injustice on innocent people? I remember watching a documentary on Netflix about the LA riots, and there was a middle aged black man on the street begging looters to stay out of his shop, he built it up, it was his life, and the crowds were just pouring out with his stock, not caring one bit, people of all races, ignorant to his cries. Ruining his life was not justice for Rodney King, it didn't stick it to the LAPD and it certainly didn't put an end to police brutality, it was just senseless. And it isn't racist, or advancing white supremacy to take issue with this, or to feel sympathy with innocent people having their lives ruined as a result of rioting, no matter how legitimate the anger that sparked the riots.

    I fear for people who might have been made to suffer a similar fate. That is why I am torn with this. On the one hand I cannot accept that the answer to injustice and suffering is injustice and suffering of innocent people, I just have to believe that there is another way. On the other, if authorities only take you seriously when you resort to extreme measures, and your grievances are legitimate...I can't help but have some degree of sympathy, what do you do to enact change and to chase justice if the authorities aren't moved by mere words? I just wish the anger could have been better directed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post

    Seattle just went into lockdown, SPD has been called out to disperse the protesters and enforce curfew. 1992 here we come...sigh.
    lol... what outcome do u expect if u riot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Try again.
    Arrests, not convictions. Try again..

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    This just keeps getting better. The president of the Minneapolis Police Union is a member of a white supremacist biker gang.

    https://www.motherjones.com/crime-ju...-floyd-racism/
    Last edited by Masark; 2020-05-31 at 12:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Arrests, not convictions. Try again..
    The proof you need is convictions of looting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The proof you need is convictions of looting?
    Only if they're white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Arrests, not convictions. Try again..
    Arrest is sufficient grounds for a death penalty, according to the way you people have been carrying on about people that resist it, so by your logic it's totally confirmed.

    ITT: Confirmed by Rray that white supremacists were responsible for the looting during these riots. You can argue with me, but you can't argue with logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    This keeps getting better. The president of the Minneapolis Police Union is a member of a white supremacist biker gang.

    https://www.motherjones.com/crime-ju...-floyd-racism/
    The jury has found him guilty of being a redneck, white bread, chicken shit motherfucker.

    Fire his ass.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

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  18. #2018
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The proof you need is convictions of looting?
    Well, yeah. A conviction menas they were proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have done some looting. Don't worry, it will come out soon that Antifa members will be arrested as well. Remember, they said some, not all. YOu are trying to claim they alone started it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    There is no evidence that it works. So it's just an excuse.
    Ho Chi Minh and the Việt Minh would beg to fucking differ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Seattle just went into lockdown, SPD has been called out to disperse the protesters and enforce curfew. 1992 here we come...sigh.
    They announced a 5pm curfew... at like 5:01pm.


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