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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...up-2021-05-02/

    Today I learned the Proud Boys have not existed in Canada for half a year. I imagine they will be taken off Canada's list of domestic terrorist groups upon the next review.
    Dissolving their official presence does not mean they no longer exist.

    Aside from Rosenbaum, and the other attackers, it has not been shown that Kyle pointed his gun at anyone. Unless you are speaking generally, in which case I agree.
    This is trivially false. There was drone footage of Rittenhouse pointing his gun at the Ziminskis. Over and above brandishing it at Rosenbaum unlawfully.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...up-2021-05-02/

    Today I learned the Proud Boys have not existed in Canada for half a year. I imagine they will be taken off Canada's list of domestic terrorist groups upon the next review.



    Aside from Rosenbaum, and the other attackers, it has not been shown that Kyle pointed his gun at anyone. Unless you are speaking generally, in which case I agree.
    Dude flashed his own people more than once in footage I saw. He also pointed his gun at a LOT of people who weren’t attacking him. Hell, he fired randomly hitting nobody at one point. Just stop.

  3. #20863
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    Jesus Christ you are so blind by your need to defend Rittenhouse you're just lying about basic rights to self defense at this point, in order to justify Rittenhouse's "self defense". just stop. this is is actually sad.
    Think logically about this… do you think it makes sense to have gun laws that say “sure, you can carry a gun, but if you do so we’re going to assume you are provoking attacks on yourself.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    Think logically about this… do you think it makes sense to have gun laws that say “sure, you can carry a gun, but if you do so we’re going to assume you are provoking attacks on yourself.”
    You have the legal right to walk down the street shouting racial epithets at black people. That's free speech, after all.

    It's also going to be considered provocation if one of them takes issue with it and attacks you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    Think logically about this… do you think it makes sense to have gun laws that say “sure, you can carry a gun, but if you do so we’re going to assume you are provoking attacks on yourself.”
    first of all: just because a law says you can open carry doesn't mean other people are naturally going to be comfortable when a stranger is carrying an assault rifle around. quite the opposite actually. especially in the context of that night.

    secondly: he was pointing it at people! and even shot at people other than Rosenbaum.

    just. stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    A reasonable person is going to assume that a lethal weapon being pointed at them is a threat to their life.

    Not everyone is a small dicked 2A nut, y'all.
    I mean this is literally covered in a CC class. You don't pull your gun unless you intend to use it -- because if you're going to use it to threaten someone there is a chance they're going to shoot back, and they're going to legit be able to claim self defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    You have the legal right to walk down the street shouting racial epithets at black people. That's free speech, after all.

    It's also going to be considered provocation if one of them takes issue with it and attacks you.
    True, but the whole flawed purpose of allowing open carry is to protect yourself. The purpose of free speech isn’t to allow people to yell racial epithets.

    The argument has to be more than gun as provocation, it’s about pointing it and what he did with it.

    In the article I read earlier a legal defense expert said something like - this is a close one, and defendants should win the close ones. That’s where I’m at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...up-2021-05-02/

    Today I learned the Proud Boys have not existed in Canada for half a year. I imagine they will be taken off Canada's list of domestic terrorist groups upon the next review.
    Several us agencies label them white supremacists, extremists, and or a gang.

    And just recently they and other groups were discussed at a hearing before the subcommittee on intelligence and counterterrorism:
    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...7hhrg44824.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    I mean this is literally covered in a CC class. You don't pull your gun unless you intend to use it -- because if you're going to use it to threaten someone there is a chance they're going to shoot back, and they're going to legit be able to claim self defense.
    How does that work with a rifle? There’s no place to put it - it’s always out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    How does that work with a rifle? There’s no place to put it - it’s always out.
    That's satire, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    That's satire, right?
    No. I have no idea how guns work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    No. I have no idea how guns work.
    You have also never seen any of the footage showing how he carried the rifle. Are you sure you know what topic you're talking about?
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Well when Rittenhouse gets acquitted, I hope this means we'll have more Protesters arming themselves to protect against the emboldened vigilantes who're going to materialize at future protests thinking they can get away with shooting 'Communist Pedophiles'.
    They already were though; in Rittenhouse case there were already guns on "other side", one of which was even fired first (into air).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    You have also never seen any of the footage showing how he carried the rifle. Are you sure you know what topic you're talking about?
    He doesn't actually care about the topic.

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    This thread is just another massive reminder that the US is a failed experiment. People defending a murder because the legal system is rigged to the rafters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    They already were though; in Rittenhouse case there were already guns on "other side", one of which was even fired first (into air).
    Yep, that was Ziminski. He admitted to firing a "warning shot" in the air that night.

    Ziminski would be a key witness to whether Kyle aimed his weapon at Rosenbaum before being chased. The pictures and video of the supposed incident are too blurry to positively state Kyle did so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    You have also never seen any of the footage showing how he carried the rifle. Are you sure you know what topic you're talking about?
    The rule you mentioned sounds like it was meant for handguns, because you can put those in a holster and such.

    I’m asking (again, third time now) how it applies to rifles. Because I don’t know, and when I don’t know something I usually ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    This thread is just another massive reminder that the US is a failed experiment. People defending a murder because the legal system is rigged to the rafters.
    Yeah! Back to monarchy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    The rule you mentioned sounds like it was meant for handguns, because you can put those in a holster and such.

    I’m asking (again, third time now) how it applies to rifles. Because I don’t know, and when I don’t know something I usually ask.

    - - - Updated - - -
    Here's one way:



    Perfectly easy and non-threatening way to carry a rifle.

    Here's another:



    And another:



    Turns out rifles have holsters too...

    Yeah! Back to monarchy!
    No one said anything about "monarchy". In fact, no one said anything about Government at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Here's one way:



    Perfectly easy and non-threatening way to carry a rifle.

    Here's another:



    And another:



    Turns out rifles have holsters too...



    No one said anything about "monarchy". In fact, no one said anything about Government at all.
    The “American experiment” usually refers to democracy. That guy said it failed. So the joke was, if the experiment failed, guess it’s time to go back to the previous system - monarchy.

    Honestly I was expecting someone to yell at me for being a royalist or something cause you guys usually don’t get jokes, but it made me chuckle.

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