Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[KaPe]

He pointed his gun at Kyle. By his own admission in a court of law under penalty of perjury. Then he got shot.

And yet he held back, even though he was facing someone who just killed a man and was obviously dangerous. But the narrative here is that Rittenhouse was running away from bloodthirsty mob that'd murder him on the spot. While member of said "mob" didn't shoot him in the back, even though it would be so much easier than trying to grab him. Seems like there's something wrong with the narrative after all.

No im saying its easy to recruit him post prison lol. Which they did, he had no proud boy affiliation of any kind before the shooting. Therefore in the case, it didnt matter.

Please, he already had similar ideas and it wasn't anywhere near of a stretch as you're trying to say. Rittenhouse was not some poor, undecided centrist, who was "forced" by evil lefties to join the Proud Boys. Being an armed vigilante "defender of property" and shooting some people on the "opposing side" is right up their alley.

[Draco-Onis]

No im saying its easy to recruit him post prison lol. Which they did, he had no proud boy affiliation of any kind before the shooting. Therefore in the case, it didnt matter.

He chose to hang out and party with white supremacists while throwing hate signs and wearing a free as fuck T shirt. You are hand waving his choice to spent 90 minutes partying it up with racists.

[minteK917]

He chose to hang out and party with white supremacists while throwing hate signs and wearing a free as fuck T shirt. You are hand waving his choice to spent 90 minutes partying it up with racists.

Thats not how the justice system works thankfully no. Again he had no affiliation with them before the shooting, he had blue line shit on his facebook and an instagram about car doors and hoes. Hanging out with the proud boys after is sadly not a crime. It has no consideration with the case, because it happened AFTER he killed those people. He was not a proud boys during the shooting. He wont be judged as being a proud boy during the shooting, its an easy concept.

[D3thray]

And yet he held back, even though he was facing someone who just killed a man and was obviously dangerous. But the narrative here is that Rittenhouse was running away from bloodthirsty mob that'd murder him on the spot. While member of said "mob" didn't shoot him in the back, even though it would be so much easier than trying to grab him. Seems like there's something wrong with the narrative after all.

It’s not a narrative. It’s what a jury found in a court of law. This entire fiasco was created by the media from whole cloth for their own benefit. At this point you’re the conspiracy theorist if you’re sticking to that media narrative rather than the reality of Kyle acting in self-defense.

If anything watching the prosecution suborn perjury, tamper with evidence, withhold evidence, and violate the constitutionally protected rights of the defendant should make more people receptive to the need for reforms in the justice system brought to light by BLM.

[Ivanstone]

the media meltdown is funny, but

Simpkins didn't kill anyone. Rittenhouse killed two people.

Shall we now discuss that black people generally have much higher bail or are more likely to be denied bail entirely? Furthermore, Simpkins trial is not over and the not-so-great state of Texas will likely convict him.

[minteK917]

.Please, he already had similar ideas and it wasn't anywhere near of a stretch as you're trying to say. Rittenhouse was not some poor, undecised centrist, who was "forced" by evil lefties to join the Proud Boys. Being an armed vigilante "defender of property" and shooting some people on the "opposing side" is right up their alley.

The worse he had, was thine blue line shit on his facebook dude. I never said he was a centrist, but if you try to equate the thine blue line garbage with the proud boy, you are fucking mentally hill always online. Then again i dont expect someone from Poland to know the USA populations outside of the internet. So mabye im judging you too harshly. Thin blue lines is pretty popular in support of police.

[Ivanstone]

If anything watching the prosecution suborn perjury, tamper with evidence, withhold evidence, and violate the constitutionally protected rights of the defendant should make more people receptive to the need for reforms in the justice system brought to light by BLM.

If anything the NRA did a terrific job of rewriting self-defence laws to make it easier for people like Rittenhouse get away with crimes like this. Justice system reforms would also be great. Do you like judicial reviews?

[KaPe]

It’s not a narrative. It’s what a jury found in a court of law. This entire fiasco was created by the media from whole cloth for their own benefit. At this point you’re the conspiracy theorist if you’re sticking to that media narrative rather than the reality of Kyle acting in self-defense.

If anything watching the prosecution suborn perjury, tamper with evidence, withhold evidence, and violate the constitutionally protected rights of the defendant should make more people receptive to the need for reforms in the justice system brought to light by BLM.

What media? People in this very thread claimed that Rittenhouse was just about to be killed by a skateboard (and thus had to shoot two more people) - even though one of the guys chasing him had a gun and could have shoot him at any time, at a much lower risk to himself. Seems like a pretty large disconnect and no one needs 'media' to notice it.

[D3thray]

If anything the NRA did a terrific job of rewriting self-defence laws to make it easier for people like Rittenhouse get away with crimes like this. Justice system reforms would also be great. Do you like judicial reviews?

Not a crime if no crime was committed which I’ll again remind you is the legal outcome of this case. As I said this is not a victory, it’s a tragedy all around and thank god it wasn’t compounded Friday with a guilty verdict. If anyone should be receiving ire right now, it should be the mayor of Kenosha for letting his town burn for three days straight creating the conditions that led to this.

Friday was a pretty good day for justice. The Rittenhouse trial ends in acquittal and it looks like the Arbery trial is headed for a directed verdict with the defense admission that citizen’s arrest did not apply.

[Xyonai]

This verdict doesn't really change that. They were already saying as much long before this shooting happened. The right-wing narrative has always involved "rioters burning down American cities" and I think you'd have to be more than a little naive to believe that it's not to justify violence perpetrated against them (by the police or otherwise) in the name of maintaining Law and Order.™

Oh I'm not claiming the intent was -never- there, just those same whackjobs might feel emboldened to -actually- do something now rather then just talk tough behind keyboards like they usually do.

[Draco-Onis]

Thats not how the justice system works thankfully no. Again he had no affiliation with them before the shooting, he had blue line shit on his facebook and an instagram about car doors and hoes. Hanging out with the proud boys after is sadly not a crime. It has no consideration with the case, because it happened AFTER he killed those people. He was not a proud boys during the shooting. He wont be judged as being a proud boy during the shooting, its an easy concept.

We are talking about his racism and state of mind not his guilt, people who aren't racist and feel bad don't out to underage drink and party with white supremacists. Or is your argument that you would have no problem hanging out with the proud boys? White supremacists being bad is a hard concept?

[Ivanstone]

Friday was a pretty good day for justice.

Friday was a pretty good day for enabling more wingnuts to go looking for trouble and increasing gun sales.

[Al Gorefiend]

Not a crime if no crime was committed which I’ll again remind you is the legal outcome of this case. As I said this is not a victory, it’s a tragedy all around and thank god it wasn’t compounded Friday with a guilty verdict. If anyone should be receiving ire right now, it should be the mayor of Kenosha for letting his town burn for three days straight creating the conditions that led to this.

Friday was a pretty good day for justice. The Rittenhouse trial ends in acquittal and it looks like the Arbery trial is headed for a directed verdict with the defense admission that citizen’s arrest did not apply.

I agree. Rittenhouse received proper justice, if you think about cases like this in the past resulting in death, if the victims were themselves in the act of committing dangerous crime, they are dehumanized in court. The difference here, they were killed by a vigilante instead of police, but this particular vigilante did everything so correctly to prove he posed no threat to anyone after the shooting.

Kenosha police treated him as one of their own, even in court his moral upstanding was seen. I hope he gets any help he may need with future therapy, like police are given when they are forced to shoot

[KaPe]

We are talking about his racism and state of mind not his guilt, people who aren't racist and feel bad don't out to underage drink and party with white supremacists. Or is your argument that you would have no problem hanging out with the proud boys? White supremacists being bad is a hard concept?

It's the classic "he only joined the white supremacists because you forced him to". Almost like he lost some incredible internal struggle, all because of those damn leftists.

[Shalcker]

It's the classic "he only joined the white supremacists because you forced him to". Almost like he lost some incredible internal struggle, all because of those damn leftists.

He never joined white supremacists though.

He spenе a few hours in a bar with those claimed to be their sympathizers (not even Proud Boys themselves) and did a few selfies with them.

That doesn't turn him into card-carrying villain.

[Xyonai]

It's the classic "he only joined the white supremacists because you forced him to". Almost like he lost some incredible internal struggle, all because of those damn leftists.

Even when it comes to the stances they're proud of, Cons can't seem to take an ounce of responsibility for getting there lmao.

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He never joined white supremacists though.

He spend a few hours in a bar with those claimed to be their sympathizers (not even Proud Boys themselves) and did a few selfies with them.

That doesn't turn him into card-carrying villain.

Someone who sympathizes with white supremacists is still a white supremacist.

[D3thray]

What media? People in this very thread claimed that Rittenhouse was just about to be killed by a skateboard (and thus had to shoot two more people) - even though one of the guys chasing him had a gun and could have shoot him at any time, at a much lower risk to himself. Seems like a pretty large disconnect and no one needs 'media' to notice it.

Did you even watch the evidence presented at trial? Within a matter of moments, a few heartbeats at best, Grosskreutz runs towards Kyle while reaching behind his back for his gun, Kyle swings his rifle towards him, Grosskreutz puts his hands in the air (holding his gun) then levels his gun at Kyle and is shot.

Mind you a mob of people has been chasing Kyle who is sitting on the ground at this point after stumbling i.e. about as vulnerable as you can be short of lying prone on the ground. He could not run. He could not evade. That is textbook self defense.

Heck Grosskreutz himself (an EMT) said on the stand he was concerned about Kyle being seriously injured by Anthony Huber whacking him in the head repeatedly with a skateboard.

[Shalcker]

Someone who sympathizes with white supremacists is still a white supremacist.

This "contagion" argument is silly - and direction is actually opposite.

Does white supremacist sympathizing with you makes you one?

[Themius]

This "contagion" argument is silly - and direction is actually opposite.

Does white supremacist sympathizing with you makes you one?

"He's not a white supremacist he just sympathises with them and hangs out with them and flashes their symbols..."

[Shalcker]

"He's not a white supremacist he just sympathises with them and hangs out with them and flashes their symbols..."

He had never shown sympathy toward white supremacists for being white supremacists.

They had shown sympathy to him.

Those are different things.

His former lawyer who arranged that bar meeting probably is.