Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[ArenaDk]

I assume you're white? Good job ignoring every case where cops target minorities with extra force for no reason despite the civilian following orders.



Now why did this guy get punched in the face despite following orders?


And it's not that simple to bring it up to the law, because these fuckers protect each other. This is shit that you'd know if you paid any attention.

Probably because statistcly the risk in america of minoritys going violent durring arrest are much higher? 13% of popularity commiting 50% of the crimes?

Maybe IF people would follow the law more often and stop resiting , they would ease up.

Ever see the police being this violent against asians? I wonder why......

Also if you think Iam white, you would think wrong ( Literally stop asume thinks about people. Like Iam freaking gay and people harrased me for complaining about to much gay people in borderlands without knowing me, assuming Iam a bigot)

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Looks like the inevitable finally happened: police officers stopped showing up to work.

These men risk their lives trying to protect their neighbors. They need protections to carry out their jobs. If they can't trust the government to give them the protections they need to carry out their job - if they can't trust the government to not throw them under the bus because its the popular thing to do - then they're simply not going to bother. They have better things to do with their lives than get prosecuted for trying to protect people. And there certainly won't be new recruits eager to replace those positions.

The blueflu will persist until the government gets its act back together.

[Egomaniac]

like it or not sometimes they give warnings and sometimes not... or they can go full Camden NJ after the defund police thing and give tickets for every little thing.

"PETTY OFFENSES

The arrest and summons data, first reported by The Philadelphia Inquirer, for the first full year of the Camden County Police Department include the following examples, which compare the periods of July 2012 through June 2013 and July 2013 through June 2014 (the county force took over in May 2013):

- Summonses for riding a bicycle without a bell or without a light increased from three to 339.

- Summonses for disorderly conduct increased 43 percent, from 1,766 to 2,521.

- Summonses for failure to adequately maintain lights or reflectors in a vehicle increased 421 percent, from 495 to 2,579.

- Summonses for tinted car windows increased 381 percent, from 197 to 948."

Yeah, you are taking those numbers out of context in an effort to say "Look how terrible this worked out in NJ". But that's not really an example of what happens when you "Defund Police"....that they are going to go out and issue more fines and such in an effort to make up that loss of funding. But that's not really what happened. What happened is the new police force started operating by the "Broken Windows" theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken...rious%20crimes.

The broken windows theory is a criminological theory that states that visible signs of crime, anti-social behavior, and civil disorder create an urban environment that encourages further crime and disorder, including serious crimes. The theory suggests that policing methods that target minor crimes such as vandalism, public drinking, and fare evasion help to create an atmosphere of order and lawfulness, thereby preventing more serious crimes.

[Edge-]

Probably because statistcly the risk in america of minoritys going violent durring arrest are much higher? 13% of popularity commiting 50% of the crimes?

Maybe IF people would follow the law more often and stop resiting , they would ease up.

Ever see the police being this violent against asians? I wonder why......

Also if you think Iam white, you would think wrong ( Literally stop asume thinks about people. Like Iam freaking gay and people harrased me for complaining about to much gay people in borderlands without knowing me, assuming Iam a bigot)

None of that explains why the cops proceeded to beat the fuck outta a homeless guy who was compliant with all of those requests. It's just a bunch of racist garbage that's interpreting statistics to justify calling people of color more inherently violent.

And again, "follow the law and stop resisting" - Breonna Taylor was asleep in her fucking home. This man was compliant. This is excusing police brutality, don't do that.

[Egomaniac]

Looks like the inevitable finally happened: police officers stopped showing up to work.

These men risk their lives trying to protect their neighbors. They need protections to carry out their jobs. If they can't trust the government to give them the protections they need to carry out their job - if they can't trust the government to not throw them under the bus because its the popular thing to do - then they're simply not going to bother. They have better things to do with their lives than get prosecuted for trying to protect people. And there certainly won't be new recruits eager to replace those positions.

The blueflu will persist until the government gets its act back together.

Yes of course...they need the government to protect them when they terrorize, brutalize, and murder unarmed civilians.

[Dadwen]

Yeah, you are taking those numbers out of context in an effort to say "Look how terrible this worked out in NJ". But that's not really an example of what happens when you "Defund Police"....that they are going to go out and issue more fines and such in an effort to make up that loss of funding. But that's not really what happened. What happened is the new police force started operating by the "Broken Windows" theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken...rious%20crimes.

ok so there should be no warnings for anyone and everything is just ticketed is what your saying?

[ArenaDk]

None of that explains why the cops proceeded to beat the fuck outta a homeless guy who was compliant with all of those requests. It's just a bunch of racist garbage that's interpreting statistics to justify calling people of color more inherently violent.

And again, "follow the law and stop resisting" - Breonna Taylor was asleep in her fucking home. This man was compliant. This is excusing police brutality, don't do that.

So how would you use the statistics?

[eschatological]

Taser's are classified as Lethal in some districts and "Less-Lethal" in others. Also the DA classified it himself as a lethal weapon not a week before this when charging a couple of other officers with their use.

The only thing that's going to occur down in Atlanta is this DA will be reprimanded or fired and the officer's and police union will sue and guarantee a nice retirement for the 6 officers involved.

Again, no he didn't.

He charged them with Aggravated Assault, which CAN BE assault with a deadly weapon OR assault with any object that can reasonably cause serious bodily harm. He was charging them under the second half of that definition.

It's like y'all get your marching orders from the talking points issued by assholes like Matt Gaetz and then stick to them verbatim.

I've said in this thread that the pointing the taser back at the officer makes the shoot 50/50 in my mind. Since then, the DA has asserted that A) the taser was depleted, and B) that the officer knew that. If those are both true - then the case clearly falls into the territory of a bad shoot for me. That's up to the DA to prove at trial.

It's not that tasers aren't justification for deadly force - it's that the DA is asserting that the officer KNEW the taser was empty and shot the guy running away anyways.

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Probably because statistcly the risk in america of minoritys going violent durring arrest are much higher? 13% of popularity commiting 50% of the crimes?

Maybe IF people would follow the law more often and stop resiting , they would ease up.

Ever see the police being this violent against asians? I wonder why......

Also if you think Iam white, you would think wrong ( Literally stop asume thinks about people. Like Iam freaking gay and people harrased me for complaining about to much gay people in borderlands without knowing me, assuming Iam a bigot)

And there's the racist dog whistle. Studies have shown that blacks commit crimes at a rate about equal to whites. They make up such a large (unjustified) portion of the crimes because they are over-policed, over arrested, more likely to have force used against them during an arrest, over indicted, over charged, over convicted, and over sentenced.

[Edge-]

So how would you use the statistics?

Presented in context. For example, look at the crime statistics on drug use/sales - https://www.hamiltonproject.org/char...iminal_justice

If you just look at the crime statistics, then HOLY COW THOSE BLACK FOLKS ARE JUST DRUG ABUSERS AND SELLERS! DRUGS ARE RAMPANT THERE AND THE NICE WHITE FOLKS DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM!

Because of systemic racism built into law enforcement and our set of laws (the "war on drugs" was largely a "war on people of color who use drugs"). When you look at the actual rates of drug use and sales, they're nearly identical.

So if you're focusing on a set of statistics that's presented without additional context, as a singular data point, you're working with garbage data that can easily be weaponized into racist nonsense.

[Egomaniac]

ok so there should be no warnings for anyone and everything is just ticketed is what your saying?

No, I'm saying that's an example of broken windows policing...not an example of what happens when you defund the police.

[ArenaDk]

Again, no he didn't.

He charged them with Aggravated Assault, which CAN BE assault with a deadly weapon OR assault with any object that can reasonably cause serious bodily harm. He was charging them under the second half of that definition.

It's like y'all get your marching orders from the talking points issued by assholes like Matt Gaetz and then stick to them verbatim.

I've said in this thread that the pointing the taser back at the officer makes the shoot 50/50 in my mind. Since then, the DA has asserted that A) the taser was depleted, and B) that the officer knew that. If those are both true - then the case clearly falls into the territory of a bad shoot for me. That's up to the DA to prove at trial.

It's not that tasers aren't justification for deadly force - it's that the DA is asserting that the officer KNEW the taser was empty and shot the guy running away anyways.

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And there's the racist dog whistle. Studies have shown that blacks commit crimes at a rate about equal to whites. They make up such a large (unjustified) portion of the crimes because they are over-policed, over arrested, more likely to have force used against them during an arrest, over indicted, over charged, over convicted, and over sentenced.

Any proof for that happening ? Or just your wish? Which studys and how were they conducted?

[Dadwen]

No, I'm saying that's an example of broken windows policing...not an example of what happens when you defund the police.

I referenced it against someone I was talking with about letting people off with warnings and not, so you think we should go full broken windows in some of these other cities?

[eschatological]

Any proof for that happening ? Or just your wish? Which studys and how were they conducted?

Edge just linked you one.

[Themius]

Looks like the inevitable finally happened: police officers stopped showing up to work.

These men risk their lives trying to protect their neighbors. They need protections to carry out their jobs. If they can't trust the government to give them the protections they need to carry out their job - if they can't trust the government to not throw them under the bus because its the popular thing to do - then they're simply not going to bother. They have better things to do with their lives than get prosecuted for trying to protect people. And there certainly won't be new recruits eager to replace those positions.

The blueflu will persist until the government gets its act back together.

1. Police do not risk their lives. Firefighters though.. they do.

2. Police do not protect their neighbours they usually aren't from the area they're policing. Often 90% or more of the force lives somewhere else in an entirely different county.

3. They need protections? Are you worried when police officers strike or rally behind a person who committed a clear illegal action attack on a random person? Like do you stand behind the 57 officers who resigned from their specialised force because charges were brought against the officer who pushed an elderly man unprovoked, who now has brain damage and must go through physical therapy to walk? Do you think the true victims are the officers?

4. Officers should be thrown under the bus, anyone who breaks the law should be thrown under the bus. Is there a reason why you think police forces should operate like gangs?

5. Police officers don't have better things to do. They are lowly educated often not extremely bright people, who spent a few weeks training to become a cop... what fucking skills do they have? Frankly being an officer is unskilled work.

[ArenaDk]

Edge just linked you one.

This statistics say almost nothing. Where are the details ?

[Themius]

This statistics say almost nothing. Where are the details ?

are you going through one of those episodes where your racist ideas do not line up with reality, so you just ignore reality?

I have posted the stats here, and in other threads my self.

You're very late.

Question: Despite the fact whites have similar (sometimes higher) rates of using drugs and selling drugs, why is it then that they do not make up the overwhelming majority of those in prison for these offences? Especially being they are the numerical majority to boot

Do you think it is an accident?

We also have quotes from lawmakers back in the day with laws made to target black people. Also they've been linked with sources in this thread. Presidents.. politicians, lawmakers...

Here are you options.

Accept reality that racism is a thing, and that systemic racism is what leads to these disproportionate numbers. Accept that the numbers are not a sign of criminality, but instead a sign of targeting.

[Egomaniac]

I referenced it against someone I was talking with about letting people off with warnings and not, so you think we should go full broken windows in some of these other cities?

No, I don't support broken windows policing.

[Edge-]

This statistics say almost nothing. Where are the details ?

The statistics show that black people and white people in the US use and sell drugs at very similar rates, but that black people are disproportionately arrested and convicted of drug related offences.

Did you even click the link?

[Themius]

The statistics show that black people and white people in the US use and sell drugs at very similar rates, but that black people are disproportionately arrested and convicted of drug related offences.

Did you even click the link?

When confronted with information that shatters the racists world view, it shall be ignored.

They will contend that the numbers are all wrong (except the numbers they use which always lacks context) And will continue with their racist ideas while ignoring reality. Since hurting their world view is just too painful for them.

Meanwhile black and brown people are dying because of their views.

[eschatological]

This statistics say almost nothing. Where are the details ?

Here's the actual study: https://www.hamiltonproject.org/pape...isoner_reentry

I'm sure you'll read it and come back with your mea culpas.