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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    Not by the law, but it is clearly aggressive.
    Yes, so by the law, he was not there to shoot someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    Not by the law, but it is clearly aggressive.
    The argument that he wasn’t willfully going into harms way, is absurd. Being aggressive is not as easy target, as it’s what he did to preemptively defend him self, that points to what he was expecting to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Yes, so by the law, he was not there to shoot someone.
    There is no law that defines the will to shoot people... that’s absurd...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The argument that he wasn’t willfully going into harms way, is absurd. Being aggressive is not as easy target, as it’s what he did to preemptively defend him self, that points to what he was expecting to happen.

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    There is no law that defines the will to shoot people... that’s absurd...
    That just means that you can't accuse him of going there to be in harms way or to shoot people.

    So the DA will have to rely on the Twitter's video and eventually eye witnesses that say that he was threatening people, engeneering the chase in the street by Rosenbaum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You do know that his attorney will use that past in his defense of Rittenhouse since Rosenbaum, like it or not, was a violent man (raped children). You do realize it, right ? As most probably the DA will use the twitter video where he hit a girl + any evidence to say that Rittenhouse is prone to violence as well.
    And the DA will likely enter an objection to the Defense's claim. Yes, it leads to evidence he was a violent man, but even if he was a violent man doesn't mean that Rittenhouse's actions were justified. I can have a violent action in the past, but doesn't mean I was currently acting violent.

    Rittenhouse is a little muddier because it shows that he has a habit of overreacting to a situation and jumping to violence ... which DOES call into question a claim for self defense. They have to show that Rosenbaum was at the time he was shot was a clear potential danger to cause great bodily harm or death at the time to Rittenhouse, not merely a possible danger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    And the DA will likely enter an objection to the Defense's claim. Yes, it leads to evidence he was a violent man, but even if he was a violent man doesn't mean that Rittenhouse's actions were justified. I can have a violent action in the past, but doesn't mean I was currently acting violent.

    Rittenhouse is a little muddier because it shows that he has a habit of overreacting to a situation and jumping to violence ... which DOES call into question a claim for self defense. They have to show that Rosenbaum was at the time he was shot was a clear potential danger to cause great bodily harm or death at the time to Rittenhouse, not merely a possible danger.
    Yes, I do agree. The whole case is really muddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I have some issue with that part: "He went out there looking to shoot people". Sorry but nope, he was there to help as he is saying it while being interviewed by the Daily Caller reporter. The gun is there for defense.

    And as far as I am aware, you can carry a gun in, at least some states, and it is not offensive or an agressive stance.

    And I go agree that gun laws in the US are stupid.
    Yeah he was there to help.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75uw...ature=youtu.be at 3:13 you can see him running around with fire extinguisher.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQlnihfxhU at 1:40 he is saying that he is EMT and asking if a wounded woman needs help.


    "He went out there looking to shoot people" is false narrative. Even when he was on ground and attacked by 3 people he didnt to try to shoot the last one when he retreated and only shot him when he pointed his gun at him and tried to murder him.

    They are trying to smear this kid just like they tried to smear Nick Sandmann few months before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    They are trying to smear this kid just like they tried to smear Nick Sandmann few months before.
    Yeah, he was carrying that gun, to shoot dirt off buildings. Let’s just ignore that the protest are due to a man getting shot in the back several times, because cops thought he had a gun. While if they asked this “kid” walking around with an AR 15, his age... no one would be dead and this “kid” would still be in jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    Yeah he was there to help.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75uw...ature=youtu.be at 3:13 you can see him running around with fire extinguisher.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQlnihfxhU at 1:40 he is saying that he is EMT and asking if a wounded woman needs help.


    "He went out there looking to shoot people" is false narrative. Even when he was on ground and attacked by 3 people he didnt to try to shoot the last one when he retreated and only shot him when he pointed his gun at him and tried to murder him.

    They are trying to smear this kid just like they tried to smear Nick Sandmann few months before.
    I do think Rittenhouse is an idiot though, because guns + violent areas always ends up badly. This situation is such a waste. His mother is also very stupid but it also seems she is with the White Militia at full speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I do think Rittenhouse is an idiot though, because guns + violent areas always ends up badly. This situation is such a waste. His mother is also very stupid but it also seems she is with the White Militia at full speed.
    He isn’t an idiot... he is just a 17 year old, that had to be driven by his mom... This is literally why kids are not permitted to drive, drink, smoke and join the military. It’s not because they are idiots, it’s because they are immature.

    Edit: His mom on the other hand, is a grade A fucking moron.

    Edit 2: “He felt threatened”... no shit, it’s a 17 year old, out past his bed time, outside his home town, at night, running around by him self. If him being threatened justifies self defense, the kid could have just started shooting everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    He isn’t an idiot... he is just a 17 year old, that had to be driven by his mom... This is literally why kids are not permitted to drive, drink, smoke and join the military. It’s not because they are idiots, it’s because they are immature.

    Edit: His mom on the other hand, is a grade A fucking moron.
    I do agree with this statement. He had some kind of fucked up guidance from his mother (or lack of).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    That is new to me, do you have any video/evidence/interview of that ?
    Watch the interview you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    Yeah he was there to help.
    Well, just because he did other things while he was there, does mean he wasn't also looking to shoot someone. One does not exclude the other from being true. It is like saying someone can't go into a restaurant for food and to rob the place. They are mutually exclusive reasons.

    For example, he could have gone to help counter protesters and shoot the BLM protesters. It isn't a false narrative because you found him helping people, it is an unproven narrative, which is different. False means you have provided evidence to the contrary of the narrative, you have none. But since the side pushing the narrative have effectively no evidence, their narrative is unproven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Yes, so by the law, he was not there to shoot someone.
    No, he was. A MAGgAt was answering dear leaders call to arms to take 2A action as he has since day 1. You dont take an assault weapon across state lines to "defend" something that isn't yours, when you are have been indoctrinated on protestors are the bad guys, without the intent to use it.

    But you seem to live outside of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    It seems the gun was already in the Wisconsin.

    As for witness of his agressive behavior, it seems it is only 3 people (and one is dead). Seems not a lot for a street with a lot of people.

    And it also seems we are not talking about the same thing. I, too, find the US law regarding guns completely stupid and they should be scrapped and strict gun law should be put in place. But as it stands, it is not the case, and it seems that displaying a gun is not an agressive stance.
    Got a source? Even if it was, it was illegal for him to carry it. He still went to violent scene with a gun to do what? Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    On another note, what the fuck is going in America? The man's having a mental breakdown and they're just like...yeah, we'll watch.

    Aren't you supposed to call for medical assistance at this point if someone's that off-the-rails?
    US destroyed most of institutions that could deal with people like that.

    Their modern holding point there is prison (also one of the reasons for ballooning prison population, among other things).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    Yeah he was there to help.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75uw...ature=youtu.be at 3:13 you can see him running around with fire extinguisher.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQlnihfxhU at 1:40 he is saying that he is EMT and asking if a wounded woman needs help.


    "He went out there looking to shoot people" is false narrative. Even when he was on ground and attacked by 3 people he didnt to try to shoot the last one when he retreated and only shot him when he pointed his gun at him and tried to murder him.

    They are trying to smear this kid just like they tried to smear Nick Sandmann few months before.
    Firefighters and EMTs don't go into situations to help people while armed. They don't show up with a white nationalist militia, locked, loaded and ready for conflict.

    Rittenhouse and the militia he was with were there for one reason and one reason only, engage in violent conflict. Them saying they were there to just "help" carried less weight than their actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Firefighters and EMTs don't go into situations to help people while armed. They don't show up with a white nationalist militia, locked, loaded and ready for conflict.

    Rittenhouse and the militia he was with were there for one reason and one reason only, engage in violent conflict. Them saying they were there to just "help" carried less weight than their actions.
    Is not Rittenhouse seen helping with first aid a woman or at least asking if she needs help ? Is he not seen helping putting down a fire ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The argument that he wasn’t willfully going into harms way, is absurd. Being aggressive is not as easy target, as it’s what he did to preemptively defend him self, that points to what he was expecting to happen.
    It's absurd because he himself said in an interview he's going into harm's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    That just means that you can't accuse him of going there to be in harms way or to shoot people.

    So the DA will have to rely on the Twitter's video and eventually eye witnesses that say that he was threatening people, engeneering the chase in the street by Rosenbaum.
    Just yesterday I linked you an interview with Kyle where he himself states he's going into harm's way.

    You're just trolling at this point, aren't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    It seems the gun was already in the Wisconsin.
    So instead of illegally getting a gun across state lines, someone else illegally gave a 17 year old a weapon and is an accessory to his crimes. He is still guilty of using a firearm without a license in another state it's just now he has to sell someone else out to lessens his charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    Yeah he was there to help.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75uw...ature=youtu.be at 3:13 you can see him running around with fire extinguisher.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQlnihfxhU at 1:40 he is saying that he is EMT and asking if a wounded woman needs help.


    "He went out there looking to shoot people" is false narrative. Even when he was on ground and attacked by 3 people he didnt to try to shoot the last one when he retreated and only shot him when he pointed his gun at him and tried to murder him.

    They are trying to smear this kid just like they tried to smear Nick Sandmann few months before.
    First of all, you're literally just vomiting out right wing talking points, and it's clear given you're linking videos by Mark Dice and Collion Noir.

    One's a conspiracy theorist and wingnut, whilst the other is a gun toting lunatic who thinks everything becomes better when ammo is involved.

    Furthermore, asking if someone is okay or claiming to be an EMT or running around with a fire extinguisher does not absolve someone of murder.

    As far as trying to 'smear' is concerned. This boy murdered people. His life was NOT in danger. Doesn't matter whether any or all of the victims had sketchy pasts, it's not within his remit to take lives. So please, drop the bad faith bullshit and call it what it is.

    If you're so interested in pearl clutching, you wouldn't be opposing a movement looking for criminal justice reforms. But here you are anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Is not Rittenhouse seen helping with first aid a woman or at least asking if she needs help ? Is he not seen helping putting down a fire ?
    He's seen running with a fire extinguisher not putting out fires.

    So, if i'm following you correctly......

    running with a fire extinguisher and asking someone if they are ok > shooting 3 people, killing 2 and being part of a white nationalist militia.

    Yeah, he's fucking hero.....
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