Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Themius]

If your option is not to trust the police, what option are you left with, chasing him down an doing mob justice? What was the end game plan?

Dude the police were thanking white nationalist and giving them water and pushing protesters into them.

[BlackDruid96]

The police are brutalizing people why should they trust them?

Anyway they let him walk right past after he'd murdered two people so they werent wrong to not trust them.

Would you have a problem with the police brutalizing a white guy who just shot someone?

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Vigilante justice = good.
Mob justice = bad.

derp.

Where did I say I am for vigilante justice?

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Dude the police were thanking white nationalist and giving them water and pushing protesters into them.

They gave water to someone so therefore they can't arrest that person if that person commits a crime? If police gave me water does that mean I can break in and loot a store and not worry about them?

[KaPe]

They gave water to someone so therefore they can't arrest that person if that person commits a crime? If police gave me water does that mean I can break in and loot a store and not worry about them?

Somehow they didn't arrest him after he killed two people and seriously hurt a third one. At very least, they should have investigated the situation on the spot, but no. It wasn't until he fled the state when they finally got to work.

So yeah, I'd say anyone assuming the local police wouldn't be very eager at taking care of this guy - right on the money.

[downnola]

Where did I say I am for vigilante justice?

Your whole schtick in this thread has been defending Rittenhouse from "aggressors" but the mere notion of protesters defending themselves from an active shooter is mob justice. Deductive reasoning suggests you think it's ok.

[wunksta]

This should be the norm

A new program in Denver that sends a paramedic+a mental health expert to 911 calls instead of police launched amid calls for alternatives to policing. So far, the van has taken more than 350 calls without once having to call in police backup:

https://mobile.twitter.com/EliseSchm...54576750346241
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/0...health-police/

[BlackDruid96]

Your whole schtick in this thread has been defending Rittenhouse from "aggressors" but the mere notion of protesters defending themselves from an active shooter is mob justice. Deductive reasoning suggests you think it's ok.

When you chase someone running away, you are the aggressor.

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Somehow they didn't arrest him after he killed two people and seriously hurt a third one. At very least, they should have investigated the situation on the spot, but no. It wasn't until he fled the state when they finally got to work.

So yeah, I'd say anyone assuming the local police wouldn't be very eager at taking care of this guy - right on the money.

Yes the police failed during on the chaos, at least they got him in the end, it was a sad situation that there was a lot of armed people running around, makes it hard to figure out which one was the shooter.

[Noxx79]

When you chase someone running away, you are the aggressor.

Unless you’re chasing someone who was the aggressor.

[Endus]

When you chase someone running away, you are the aggressor.

That isn't how anything works.

If I deck you and run away, and you chase me, I was the aggressor.

We have conflicting information about how this all started between Rosenbaum and Rittenhouse. The second incident, however, Rittenhouse had already shot one person, and people were taking down an active shooter; you cannot reasonably claim they were the "aggressors" there.

Yes the police failed during on the chaos, at least they got him in the end, it was a sad situation that there was a lot of armed people running around, makes it hard to figure out which one was the shooter.

Except for all the witnesses shouting "He just shot people, stop him" as he walked past the cops. Which is clearly audible in the video footage.

[BlackDruid96]

Unless you’re chasing someone who was the aggressor.

I have read stories of home owners and shop keepers shooting people running away who had robbed them and they got into trouble

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That isn't how anything works.

If I deck you and run away, and you chase me, I was the aggressor.

We have conflicting information about how this all started between Rosenbaum and Rittenhouse. The second incident, however, Rittenhouse had already shot one person, and people were taking down an active shooter; you cannot reasonably claim they were the "aggressors" there.



Except for all the witnesses shouting "He just shot people, stop him" as he walked past the cops. Which is clearly audible in the video footage.

He was being chased and didn't shoot the people chasing him until he was knocked down, he was no longer the active shooter. In the video after the first shot, he only fled after people shouted to get him and chased him.

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If I deck you and run away, and you chase me, I was the aggressor.


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If you push me down in a parking lot, are you the aggressor even though you backed away after pushing me down?

[Endus]

He was being chased and didn't shoot the people chasing him until he was knocked down, he was no longer the active shooter. In the video after the first shot, he only fled after people shouted to get him and chased him.

He was not "knocked down". You're lying to defend and protect a murderer.

He was fleeing because he'd murdered someone.

If you push me down in a parking lot, are you the aggressor even though you backed away after pushing me down?

You just admitted your position on Rittenhouse is a lie that even you don't believe. Kudos.

[JohnBrown1917]

Trying to argue with the sort of people that would defend the brownshirts in '20/'30s Germany is like talking to a brick wall, they will always defend any sort of murder done in the name of fascism if they even have the smallest excuse for "Muh self defence".


Instead of "defending property" it would be "Defending the country against cultural marxism".

[KaPe]

He was being chased and didn't shoot the people chasing him until he was knocked down, he was no longer the active shooter. In the video after the first shot, he only fled after people shouted to get him and chased him.

Running away doesn't magically invalidate the fact that someone was killed by the guy. Even if it would eventually be proven to be self defense, at the moment he was an active shooter, potentially endangering other people. Also, no one knocked him down, he fell down on his own.

If you push me down in a parking lot, are you the aggressor even though you backed away after pushing me down?

...Yes? Unless you add something extra in there, like apologizing, helping the other person up, making sure they're ok - it was an act of agression.

[BlackDruid96]

He was not "knocked down". You're lying to defend and protect a murderer.

He was fleeing because he'd murdered someone.

Woah, don't be so aggressive, I am just trying to understand your reasoning, please keep things civil. He was knocked down by a skateboard, do you believe this he wasn't on the ground?

You just admitted your position on Rittenhouse is a lie that even you don't believe. Kudos.

How so and why did you not answer my question? I am just trying to understand your argument. Please answer my question about the parking lot so I can understand.

[Endus]

Woah, don't be so aggressive, I am just trying to understand your reasoning, please keep things civil. He was knocked down by a skateboard, do you believe this he wasn't on the ground?

You're sealioning. Why would I be "civil" when you're choosing to engage in that kind of bullshit?

He was not knocked down by a skateboard. You are lying about the facts. If you want a civil, polite response, don't engage in such blatantly insulting dishonesty.

How so and why did you not answer my question? I am just trying to understand your argument. Please answer my question about the parking lot so I can understand.

Yes, I'd still be the aggressor.

That's why Rittenhouse was the aggressor when he tripped and a bunch of people tackled him. In your own analogy, he's the one who shoved someone down; when he killed Rosenbaum.

That's why I pointed out that not even you believe your own horseshit.

[Edge-]

He was knocked down by a skateboard

This is an abject, transparent lie that not a single one of the videos support.

He fell all on his own, stop lying.

[BlackDruid96]

You're sealioning. Why would I be "civil" when you're choosing to engage in that kind of bullshit?

He was not knocked down by a skateboard. You are lying about the facts. If you want a civil, polite response, don't engage in such blatantly insulting dishonesty.

How did he end up on the ground then? We can disagree on things and be civil.

Yes, I'd still be the aggressor.

That's why Rittenhouse was the aggressor when he tripped and a bunch of people tackled him. In your own analogy, he's the one who shoved someone down; when he killed Rosenbaum.

That's why I pointed out that not even you believe your own horseshit.

He only shot the person chasing him initially, and only shot the people tackling him, I would call them the aggressors.

[kail]

How did he end up on the ground then? We can disagree on things and be civil.

He tripped. Maybe didn't tie his shoe laces, but he was not knocked down.

[Bodakane]

Woah, don't be so aggressive, I am just trying to understand your reasoning, please keep things civil. He was knocked down by a skateboard, do you believe this he wasn't on the ground?

It is not incumbent on anyone to be civil with you while you are on here purposely trying to start shit. We know you're trying to start shit because you are arguing about something you clearly know nothing about as evidenced by your assertion that he was knocked down by a skateboard.

Read up on this situation then come back and discuss, until then you are just flat out posting in bad faith.

[BlackDruid96]

He tripped. Maybe didn't tie his shoe laces, but he was not knocked down.

Ah OK, I was going off memory from a report I read, I just watched the video he did fall on his own, the skateboard guy only ran in to attack him once he fell.

Thank you for clarify and being civil about it.

[JohnBrown1917]

How did he end up on the ground then? We can disagree on things and be civil.



He only shot the person chasing him initially, and only shot the people tackling him, I would call them the aggressors.

Fascism does not deserve civility.