Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Themius]

Well they released bodycam footage of two Tulsa police officers who were shot(One died). It shows you why cops do not want you squirming around in your car.

Extreme warning on this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSa2...ctr=1600309425

Not really. It’s such a rare event that they expect every single person is like that is crazy.

[Deianeira]

Poll: Support for Black Lives Matter drops 12 points since June

Not surprising...

Actually it is not surprising considering how it is presented in MSM. 97% of the protests are not violent and in the remaining 7% that is most of the once starting it is either the police or ”counter protesters ”

[postman1782]

Actually it is not surprising considering how it is presented in MSM. 97% of the protests are not violent and in the remaining 7% that is most of the once starting it is either the police or ”counter protesters ”

I know you meant 93%, but yeah there is plenty of evidence that Boogaloo boys and other white nationalists have been in on these "riots" and other crap. Especially a couple Boogaloo boys killing cops and that one white nationalist that has been in the news about starting the riots after George Floyd died.

[Felya]

I feel like this is a very short-sighted and thus wrong approach. There are so many elements that are overlooked when you try to claim that the demographic results should be similar for everyone.

You mean equality?

Do black people love each other in the same manner as white people do? Are there differences in relationship dynamics?
Do black families have different overal structures and internal hierarchies as white families? Are there differences in parental relationship dynamics?
Do black people appreciate the same values, comforts and conveniences in life as white people do?

Which black people? When you said:

There are so many elements that are overlooked when you try to claim that the demographic results should be similar for everyone

Do you think black people are all the same? Splitting people by race, because you don’t believe in homogeny, is an oxymoron that implies you are racist.

Of course, generalizing isn't purposeful as there obviously will be black people who grow up in the same manner as white people and are part of the same value stream. But overall there will be differences, and I don't believe that those differences exist because of systemic racism - I believe they exist because of culture and the unique history of various family lines. A history of oppression in your 'groups' history is going to have an impact, and while the majority of that impact will be negative there will also be different sorts of impacts, namely the kind of values and life lessons that might be passed down along from generation to generation. Certain strengths claimed from hardships that other groups might not have experienced or have to experience.

That’s racist... we all grew up in the same country, the issue is systematic racism, not culture. Caribbean, Africa and Dominican Republic, are 3 examples if wasted different black cultures that have major communities in US. You think they are all the same... for fuck’s sake, I’m very different from most white people in US, because I’m a refugee. There are millions of people in US with similar heritage, but are supposed to have the same culture?

As long as those differences exist, it is nothing short of an impossible pipedream to try and attain the same demographic outcomes, with a complete disregard and disrespect for the individuality of people and the unique culture of various family lines and histories.

You are meshing all of that into black culture, how are you blind to that? That is what you are doing... you can be an individual as part of American culture, because American culture is of a melting pot... is often called a social experiment of diversity. When you walk around Miami, do you see the same homogeneous faces as you do in Brussels? It should be fucking obvious if you have...

Why are there differences in demographic outcomes between the people of Florida and Minnesota? Systemic Racism?
Why are there differences in demographic outcomes between the people of Sweden and Brussels? Systemic Racism?

Immigration! How are demographics different between Florida and Brussels? Do you even understand what America is?

[Bodakane]

I feel like this is a very short-sighted and thus wrong approach. There are so many elements that are overlooked when you try to claim that the demographic results should be similar for everyone.

Do black people love each other in the same manner as white people do? Are there differences in relationship dynamics?
Do black families have different overal structures and internal hierarchies as white families? Are there differences in parental relationship dynamics?
Do black people appreciate the same values, comforts and conveniences in life as white people do?

Of course, generalizing isn't purposeful as there obviously will be black people who grow up in the same manner as white people and are part of the same value stream. But overall there will be differences, and I don't believe that those differences exist because of systemic racism - I believe they exist because of culture and the unique history of various family lines. A history of oppression in your 'groups' history is going to have an impact, and while the majority of that impact will be negative there will also be different sorts of impacts, namely the kind of values and life lessons that might be passed down along from generation to generation. Certain strengths claimed from hardships that other groups might not have experienced or have to experience.

As long as those differences exist, it is nothing short of an impossible pipedream to try and attain the same demographic outcomes, with a complete disregard and disrespect for the individuality of people and the unique culture of various family lines and histories.

Why are there differences in demographic outcomes between the people of Florida and Minnesota? Systemic Racism?
Why are there differences in demographic outcomes between the people of Sweden and Brussels? Systemic Racism?

Blaming things on "black culture" is not giving the "i'm intellectual, totally not racist" vibe you were hoping for.

The only differences in family and culture between white and black people are directly related to oppression. Family dynamics or whatever the fuck you're trying claim is no different.

[jonnysensible]

Do black people love each other in the same manner as white people do?

you should change your name to Arch Angel of racists

[downnola]

you should change your name to Arch Angel of racists

Poor guy getting picked on for having non-liberal opinions. So much for the marketplace of ideas ;(

[Felya]

So because everyone is an american everyone is the same?

That’s your fucking argument, not mine... how is Immigration, mean all the same? What the fuck? Your assertion of “White culture” and “black culture”, means everyone is the same. Immigration means, we came from all over the world. Native Americans are on reservations, we all came here from all over the fucking world. There is no white or black culture... our diversity is American culture.

You know that isn't true. I'm not sure why you try go out on a limb and make such claims to begin with.

I’m a white refugee... I’m not racist...

Equal chances should be goal, not equality of outcome. Equal chances is what is being discussed here either way when it comes to police brutality, eg. blacks not getting treated differently than others. That does not necessarily mean equal outcomes, it is still up to the individual to make sure they follow the rules, like everyone else, so they can get the same outcome. That is entirely on them.

Word salad... this has no meaning. I don’t know which words to even point out, to say you don’t know what they mean. This is nonsense, no meaning can be derived from these words, being used in this context.

And no, I'm not saying all black people are the same, but there are in my opinion cultural differences, and those might be extremely small, but anyone knows the butterfly effect and small differences at one starting point can make up for big differences in outcome of complex systems.

Again, butterfly effect? Small differences defined by race? This is nonsense...

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you should change your name to Arch Angel of racists

I am enjoying the word salad that the responses have become... it’s like a sea of Tim Pool buzz words, just tossed together in random order.

[Bodakane]

That might've come out a bit wrong, I was more aiming at how there seem to be different relationship dynamics between certain cultures and groups of people. Definitely not meant as a generalization or such, I'm sure there are plenty of people whose behavior and values are no different from those of other groups.

Either way, trying to peg everything that isn't totally on-board with the latest extremist braindead SJW trends as "racist" is pretty... well dumb.

You are being racist. That's not extremist take.

You don't think black people love each other the way white people. That is literally racist, by definition.

Calling out your obvious racism is not extremist. Your views however are extremist.

[Levelfive]

you should change your name to Arch Angel of racists

Yikes. An all too common interpretation of "mask off," it seems.

[Bodakane]

I guess I'm just a racist BLM supporter then, eh? I mean it really doesn't matter to me what some people think.
I know I'm not racist and I also know it is not my intention to state anything racist.

lol, same old story.....

I'm not racist in spite of the racist things and ideals I'm spreading, and to prove it here is some bullshit and unverified qualifier like I have a black friend or I support BLM......blah, blah, blah.

[Soliloque]

lol, same old story.....

I'm not racist in spite of the racist things and ideals I'm spreading, and to prove it here is some bullshit and unverified qualifier like I have a black friend or I support BLM......blah, blah, blah.

He's right though. Different cultures can have different relationships between their adherents.
Japanese culture for example has some pretty major differences compared to the culture of certain european ones, like Italy.

Same old story indeed, the white racist with a guilty conscience assuming everyone around him is the same. Nah.

[Bodakane]

He's right though. Different cultures can have different relationships between their adherents.
Japanese culture for example has some pretty major differences compared to the culture of certain european ones, like Italy.

Same old story indeed, the white racist with a guilty conscience assuming everyone around him is the same. Nah.

If someone thinks that "black culture" loves their family differently than white people, then they've never met a black family.

Those kinds of culture differences are not really race based but more location based. Black Americans, as many are upset about, are in fact Americans, just like white Americans.

[Noxx79]

He's right though. Different cultures can have different relationships between their adherents.
Japanese culture for example has some pretty major differences compared to the culture of certain european ones, like Italy.

Same old story indeed, the white racist with a guilty conscience assuming everyone around him is the same. Nah.

As noted earlier and didn’t get a response:

The racism is that “black culture” is somehow a detriment and responsible for their current circumstances.

[Edge-]

https://kutv.com/news/local/video-co...s-matter-event

Violent anti-BLM counter-protester in Salt Lake City has been arrested and charged with four counts of assault and one count of disorderly conduct, with additional charges pending as police review the video of the event.

[Soliloque]

Those kinds of culture differences are not really race based but more location based.

Which is what he was talking about.

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https://kutv.com/news/local/video-co...s-matter-event

Violent anti-BLM counter-protester in Salt Lake City has been arrested and charged with four counts of assault and one count of disorderly conduct, with additional charges pending as police review the video of the event.

Wait, if they're counter-protesting anti-BLM groups... they're violent BLM then?

[Felya]

Which is what he was talking about.

No, if that were the case, there would be no “black culture”. Which means it would be American culture... regardless of race... Black is a color, while America is a location.

Wait, if they're counter-protesting anti-BLM groups... they're violent BLM then?

If only there was an article that went along with that post, that would clarify any misunderstanding.

[Bodakane]

Which is what he was talking about.

Bullshit. He was talking about black Americans versus white Americans.

[Felya]

Bullshit. He was talking about black Americans versus white Americans.

It’s a way to hide systemic racism, but it’s piss poor at hiding your own. If it’s an American culture problem, than we all have to do something. If it’s based on color, than I get to squint through the fog of shit in the air, to look down at the peasants... how uncivilized...

If racism is an American culture problem, what does that mean for nationalists?

[Bodakane]

It’s a way to hide systemic racism, but it’s piss poor at hiding your own. If it’s an American culture problem, than we all have to do something. If it’s based on color, than I get to squint through the fog of shit in the air, to look down at the peasants... how uncivilized...

If racism is an American culture problem, what does that mean for nationalists?

That is implying that nationalists aren't ok with systemic racism, and I don't think it is that deep for them at all. The reason they pretend to be against racism is because racism is a negative. There's nothing about racism on its own that bothers them. They can't admit the US has ever or will ever do anything wrong as a country. Democrats? Sure no problem. The US as a whole? Nope. That is why they love Trump and hate Dems. Trump is embracing all the things they've always thought and communicates on a remedial level while the Dems can be blamed for anything bad instead of the country, and by extension, Trump.

These people don't want to hear about slavery or atrocities committed(ing) to the indigenous people or war crimes committed by the US, hell they won't even admit Columbus was a shit human.