1. #14541
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    The sheer intellectual dishonesty of trying to say:
    You only consider it dishonest because you've already found him guilty, and are dishonestly representing the facts to begin with. Of course I don't agree with your farcical version of the truth.

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    illegally arming yourself
    Hasn't been found guilty yet, and even if he is, doesn't change anything else, as already reported by multiple links in this thread.

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    crossing state lines
    Crossing state lines is not illegal. You would need to prove he crossed state lines expressly to commit a crime. This is 100% your assumption at this point.

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    to go to a protest while wearing latex gloves
    Wearing gloves is a crime now, apparently. I see people all the time wearing latex gloves. Near daily at this point. I mean, this guy is wearing gloves. So is this guy. Are you saying they anyone wearing gloves should be arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    telling an interviewer you're there to "put myself into harm's way"
    You seriously love throwing out the "harm's way" part of the quote while dishonestly leaving out the part before where the reason he's putting himself in harm's way is to help someone who is hurt. That's fucking incredibly dishonest. You're cherry picking one part of the statement to remove all context.

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    all while with an armed white nationalist militia the likes of which go to these protests specifically to start violence per the FBI
    Should I lump all the protesters into being guilty of vandalism and property destruction, if we're going to play the guilt by association card?

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    then shooting three people
    Let me now when he's guilty. If he gets off on self-defense, will you admit the others attacking him were in the wrong?

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    ...is fucking staggering and you should be straight up ashamed of yourself.
    I recommend a mirror.

  2. #14542
    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I can reassure you with full confidence that you have not yet posed a challenge to my reading comprehension, lol.



    Roll the tapes!



    For good measure:



    Lastly,



    don't worry about it. I was just making a rhetorical point that would take anyone less than a minute to verify if they wanted to. Not that you could disprove it even if you wanted to lol.
    If you think any of what you just quoted was me saying the action was appropriate then your reading comprehension isn’t shit, it’s not fucking existent.
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  3. #14543
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/13/91247...er-l-a-protest

    REMEMBER THE LA SHERRIFS OFFICE SPINNING A WHOLE LOTTA LIES ABOUT THE JOUNALIST THEY ASSAULTED?!

    Yeah...

    She had her press credentials
    She identified herself
    She complied with officers orders to back up

    And while in detention they refused to put her mask back on.

    Cops are doing their best to earn the "ACAP" tag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    You are accusing me of projecting, in response to me accusing you of projecting. I mean come on this is going too far lol
    I haven't accused you projecting. I'm not even calling you a dumb person, I just think your argument is ridiculous and lazy. Big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    lol @ resorting to psychoanalysis because you're incapable of defending your own position without snarky evasions.
    Oh man, I started salivating at that... I haven’t had a solid psycho babble rant, since Connel deleted his account... but, I don’t think he is interested in digging deeper.
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  6. #14546
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    If you think any of what you just quoted was me saying the action was appropriate then your reading comprehension isn’t shit, it’s not fucking existent.
    I'll gladly draw attention to what you said once again:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Once again, the police started this war against black americans. They aren't taking responsibility for it, they aren't apologizing for it and most aren't making any real change. So when things like this happen, they are an effect to a cause they are responsible for. The police have willingly through their own actions, made themselves the bad guys. That's on them and that;s their fault. If they want more sympathy and more outrage when they are viciously attacked, then they should fix the things that make them the villains.
    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I haven't accused you projecting.
    Also you:

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    So in other words, "no u."
    And then

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    I'm not even calling you a dumb person
    Also you:

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    your original post was pants on head dumb.
    We can take up more space discussing the fact that you called the post dumb, not the poster, but I think that this has already gone too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Oh man, I started salivating at that... I haven’t had a solid psycho babble rant, since Connel deleted his account... but, I don’t think he is interested in digging deeper.
    Good, we don't need Connal's trademark 150 pages of bullshit.
    /s

  8. #14548
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Oh man, I started salivating at that... I haven’t had a solid psycho babble rant, since Connel deleted his account... but, I don’t think he is interested in digging deeper.
    To think that you could've had all the interaction with me you wanted. Tsk tsk. It looks like you chose to quote smiley faces at downnola instead. I see you

  9. #14549
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    Also you:



    And then



    Also you:



    We can take up more space discussing the fact that you called the post dumb, not the poster, but I think that this has already gone too far.
    Accusing me of projecting is a fancy way of saying "no u." I was mocking you, not accusing you of projecting. And yes, smart people are capable of making fantastically stupid arguments (and posts in the context of a forum).

    Do you have anything on-topic to say or are you just interested in pedantic quarreling?
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  10. #14550
    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Accusing me of projecting is a fancy way of saying "no u." I was mocking you, not accusing you of projecting. And yes, smart people are capable of making fantastically stupid arguments (and posts in the context of a forum).

    Do you have anything on-topic to say or are you just interested in pedantic quarreling?
    I wouldn't summarize me bolding out insults you mirrored at me as "no u" behavior, but I will agree that "no u" is indeed akin to accusing someone of projecting, which is the whole point but I digress this is clearly an exercise in futility. Let's just say that indeed you were trying to mock me.

    And no, I really made my point many posts ago and I am rapidly losing interest in these semantics with you. Do you have anything meaningful to add to our conversation, or should we just leave it here?

  11. #14551
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    There is a tax loophole that means all money needs to go to me. That’s legitimate until challenged in court? Are you sure?
    Which specific tax code, and explain why. Then I'll comment.

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    Because there is no legitimate reason to claim it’s a loophole.
    No one needs to argue a law is bad or doesn't apply until it's enforced. So again. How many people have been charged and convicted under this changed law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    No lawyer would disagree with what I am saying... no lawyer would claim that asserting a loophole without any jurisdiction, is legitimate, until challenged. It’s absurd...
    Except they already have. I'm not doing your searching for you. This has already been brought up in this thread.

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    That’s great... is he using the “loophole”?
    He's said on interviews he's going to challenge on it being unconstitutional. Until the trial, who knows.

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    I'm going to break down a fundamentally dishonest misframing of both another user's post, and the general discourse and body of facts we have available to us, here. Point by point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    You only consider it dishonest because you've already found him guilty, and are dishonestly representing the facts to begin with. Of course I don't agree with your farcical version of the truth.
    You're conflating personal opinions of guilt or innocence with a court decision on the matter, a framing which you and others consistently use to try and malign anyone and everyone who forms an opinion that disagrees with your preferred outcome, just for having that differing opinion.

    By the same argument you're trying to apply here, you can't reasonably consider that Rittenhouse is innocent. Does that make sense to you? Of course it doesn't. Because you're inconsistent and making up non-rules that don't actually exist.

    And before you bring up the "innocent until proven guilty" maxim, that only applies at the broadest levels in the court system itself; it's why you're entitled to a trial before your conviction and sentencing. The alternative is that guilt is presumed, you're summarily convicted and sentenced upon arrest, and you have to file a lawsuit to be released, and in that suit's proceedings, will have to prove your innocence of the crime in question. Nobody is arguing for that. And outside of that, guilt (or at least, potential guilt) is constantly assumed, even by the legal system; it's why you can be arrested, why you can be held in jail until trial, why bail can be set, and so forth. Let alone broader society, for whom the maxim doesn't even apply.

    Hasn't been found guilty yet, and even if he is, doesn't change anything else, as already reported by multiple links in this thread.
    Pointing out that an accused spree killer hasn't been convicted yet is not an argument that has any meaning to anything being discussed. Nobody was saying he'd been convicted in a court of law. Attacking Bodakane's position this way is, thus, a fundamentally dishonest straw man attack.

    Crossing state lines is not illegal. You would need to prove he crossed state lines expressly to commit a crime. This is 100% your assumption at this point.
    That a thing is not itself illegal does not mean it is not relevant to the case. Buying rope, knives, and several tubs of lye at the local hardware store is perfectly legal. It's also going to be entered into evidence against you when you're accused of kidnapping, torturing, and killing women, and then disposing of the bodies by dissolving them in lye.

    Crossing state lines to commit a crime is a demonstration of intent, for instance. And no; it doesn't have to be exclusively to commit a crime; if that serial stab-murderer I described crossed state lines to grab a victim, it doesn't matter if he stopped for lunch at that burger joint he loves first.

    Wearing gloves is a crime now, apparently. I see people all the time wearing latex gloves. Near daily at this point. I mean, this guy is wearing gloves. So is this guy. Are you saying they anyone wearing gloves should be arrested?
    Again, this is something that speaks to intent and premeditation. Nobody was arguing that it was itself a crime. Again, this is a straw man attack.

    You seriously love throwing out the "harm's way" part of the quote while dishonestly leaving out the part before where the reason he's putting himself in harm's way is to help someone who is hurt. That's fucking incredibly dishonest. You're cherry picking one part of the statement to remove all context.
    The context doesn't matter. He still expresses intent, and understanding that he was putting himself into a dangerous position. That takes away the possibility that he didn't know what he was getting into. That's the point of bringing that up; it eliminates the possibility that he was trapped in a situation that suddenly escalated into unexpected violence. He expected that violence, and armed himself accordingly, in preparation. Legally, that's premeditation.

    If he'd armed himself to ensure he could protect others if need be and didn't actually shoot anyone at the protest, nobody would have cared that he was armed. This all speaks to the murders. Which is context you keep trying to exclude, making this argument here just pure projection on your part.

    Should I lump all the protesters into being guilty of vandalism and property destruction, if we're going to play the guilt by association card?
    False equivalence between BLM protestors and white nationalist militias. BLM protests are almost completely non-violent in nature.

    Let me now when he's guilty.
    If it's unfair for Bodakane to form an opinion that he's guilty before the court case is settled, why is it fair for you to form an opinion that he isn't?

    You're not playing fair.

    If he gets off on self-defense, will you admit the others attacking him were in the wrong?
    1> A self defense plea succeeding does not, in any way, suggest that those attacking him were in the wrong. Not sure where you got that impression. A self defense plea requires a reasonable person to believe their life was in imminent danger or that of great bodily harm. It's entirely possible for both sides of a conflict to have such a fear, and thus have reasonable grounds for self defense against each other. This isn't a binary, in the first place, and it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the law to think that it would be.

    2> This also presumes that one believes that the courts are fair an impartial, and the issue underlying the BLM protests in general is that the courts observably are not impartial nor fair, particularly when it comes to police abuses of force and power.


  13. #14553
    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    You only consider it dishonest because you've already found him guilty, and are dishonestly representing the facts to begin with. Of course I don't agree with your farcical version of the truth.
    See Endus' response above, it was more eloquent than mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Hasn't been found guilty yet, and even if he is, doesn't change anything else, as already reported by multiple links in this thread.
    He is guilty of being illegally armed. There is literally no question about it, except, again, the bullshit your ilk is inventing. He wasn't;t hunting nor was he under direct supervision from a person 18 or older. That's it, full stop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Crossing state lines is not illegal. You would need to prove he crossed state lines expressly to commit a crime. This is 100% your assumption at this point.
    See Endus' response above, it was more eloquent than mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Wearing gloves is a crime now, apparently. I see people all the time wearing latex gloves. Near daily at this point. I mean, this guy is wearing gloves. So is this guy. Are you saying they anyone wearing gloves should be arrested?
    See Endus' response above, it was more eloquent than mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    You seriously love throwing out the "harm's way" part of the quote while dishonestly leaving out the part before where the reason he's putting himself in harm's way is to help someone who is hurt. That's fucking incredibly dishonest. You're cherry picking one part of the statement to remove all context.
    See Endus' response above, it was more eloquent than mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Should I lump all the protesters into being guilty of vandalism and property destruction, if we're going to play the guilt by association card?
    See Endus' response above, it was more eloquent than mine.


    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Let me now when he's guilty. If he gets off on self-defense, will you admit the others attacking him were in the wrong?
    See Endus' response above, it was more eloquent than mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    I recommend a mirror.
    Cool, you just "I'm rubber you're glued" me.
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  14. #14554
    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I'll gladly draw attention to what you said once again:
    Quote it a million more times and bold whatever you want. It doesn't matter. It doesn't in any way show what you think it does.
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  15. #14555
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I don't care what the court say. That's why there's been these fucking protests to begin with. I've seen all the evidence I need to see. White nationalist shit head came with other white nationalist shit heads to cause trouble and violence as has been their MO since these protests started and they caused trouble and violence. Case closed.
    It reminds me of the Trayvon Martin BS. Someone with a gun a picks a fight and then suddenly they get to claim self defense when things turn ugly.

  16. #14556
    Quote Originally Posted by Hilhen7 View Post
    It reminds me of the Trayvon Martin BS. Someone with a gun a picks a fight and then suddenly they get to claim self defense when things turn ugly.
    Its exactly that. The main difference is the law in Florida basically makes it that unless there's witnesses or video tape, the survivor is innocent.
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  17. #14557
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    It doesn't matter.
    I disagree. I think it is important to highlight reasoning like yours to make sure people know exactly what kind of waters they are wading into. This kind of shit festers and propagates on the internet like the fucking plague when left unchecked, particularly now with Trump at helm giving a license to everyone to contort reality however it might suit their immediate interests best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    To think that you could've had all the interaction with me you wanted. Tsk tsk. It looks like you chose to quote smiley faces at downnola instead. I see you
    What? Could you elaborate on this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I'm warning you that I will tap out of this soon because I hate flooding threads with BS, but I'll take on one more.
    That was posted 3 hours ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I disagree. I think it is important to highlight reasoning like yours to make sure people know exactly what kind of waters they are wading into. This kind of shit festers and propagates on the internet like the fucking plague when left unchecked, particularly now with Trump at helm giving a license to everyone to contort reality however it might suit their immediate interests best.
    If your argument is that I have to watch what I say because it maybe misconstrued by Trump and his cult, then I'll just point out that they can do that with literally anything and coddling them in fear is what got us to this point in the first place.

    If idiots are going to idiot, then they don't get a seat at the table when the adults are talking because the country is bad enough that we cannot spare the time it takes to talk down to them in a way their idiot brains will grasp. Fuck them they killed 200,000 Americans, cheered the imprisoning of innocent children and are happy cops kill black people with impunity.
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  20. #14560
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    That was posted 3 hours ago...
    Indeed three hours ago and you still haven't found a way to engage me other than piggybacking other people's arguments.

    I see you

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