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    Nyaaah looting nyaaah riots. But somehow there’s zero objection to cops shooting people dead without just cause...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    Video of the shooting. The video cuts out right before the shots are fired, but still shows the body on the ground after so graphic warning.


    And uncensored version of the full video below. Graphic warning.
    https://leakreality.com/video/12357/...t-philadelphia
    Yep completely justified, but as usual another excuse to riot. Imagine being dumb enough to charge at police with a weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Yep completely justified, but as usual another excuse to riot. Imagine being dumb enough to charge at police with a weapon.
    Yet, you wonder why BLM exists... I don’t remember GOP or conservatives making the same argument during WACO, Ruby Ridge or Bundy stand offs... for some reason, those lives mattered...

    @Vyxn people are forgetting Ruby Ridge and you are not here to remind us how evil cops and the government are being. Your take would be so useful now, since the cop killing militias from Obama days, are now acting like they are supporting cops. You would have such great insight...

    @muto can we just agree that someone being killed is bad and that if any way could have been used to safely avoid the killing, should have been used? Can we just agree on the basic worth of human life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Yet, you wonder why BLM exists... I don’t remember GOP or conservatives making the same argument during WACO, Ruby Ridge or Bundy stand offs... for some reason, those lives mattered...

    @Vyxn people are forgetting Ruby Ridge and you are not here to remind us how evil cops and the government are being. Your take would be so useful now, since the cop killing militias from Obama days, are now acting like they are supporting cops. You would have such great insight...
    @muto can we just agree that someone being killed is bad and that if any way could have been used to safely avoid the killing, should have been used? Can we just agree on the basic worth of human life?
    Yeah we can. It could have been avoided by not charging at the police with a knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Yeah we can. It could have been avoided by not charging at the police with a knife.
    Why is that the point of killing being justified? Can you fathom any other alternative? Because this implies that there is a point where human life is worthless to you or that you lack any sort of critical thinking that could make you think of a solution that doesn’t result in death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Yeah we can. It could have been avoided by not charging at the police with a knife.
    So known mentally I’ll people deserve to die in your eyes then?

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    It’s like the quote ‘bringing a knife to a gun fight’ has no irony for white supremacists. ‘He shouldn’t have charged’. Right...because let’s discount the fact that he has mental health issues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    So known mentally I’ll people deserve to die in your eyes then?
    If they’re putting others lives at risk absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    If they’re putting others lives at risk absolutely.
    If a man charging two cops with a knife, is putting their lives at enough risk, to kill the person charging... they need retraining. With proper training, two police officers, with a multitude of none lethal weapons in their possession, should be able to detain a knife wielding assailant, without intentionally killing them...
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    From watching the video, it looks like the guy wasn't up for talking to anyone.

  11. #16031
    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Yep completely justified, but as usual another excuse to riot. Imagine being dumb enough to charge at police with a weapon.
    In all fairness, they should have try to use tasers first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    If a man charging two cops with a knife, is putting their lives at enough risk, to kill the person charging... they need retraining. With proper training, two police officers, with a multitude of none lethal weapons in their possession, should be able to detain a knife wielding assailant, without intentionally killing them...
    The issue here is most probably the lack of "proper training" as we have seen the formation to become police officer is quite short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    In all fairness, they should have try to use tasers first.
    The department didn't provide them.

  13. #16033
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonballgtz View Post
    The department didn't provide them.
    In that case, you can blame the department, but not the 2 officers then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    In all fairness, they should have try to use tasers first.

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    The issue here is most probably the lack of "proper training" as we have seen the formation to become police officer is quite short.
    They did not have tasers and were not issued them due to budget apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    They did not have tasers and were not issued them due to budget apparently.
    "We've gotta kill people because it's cheaper" is the worst take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    In that case, you can blame the department, but not the 2 officers then.
    This is where we get back to ACAB.

    The problem with policing in the USA isn't a few random officers. It's the entire system and culture of policing in general, nationally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    "We've gotta kill people because it's cheaper" is the worst take.

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    This is where we get back to ACAB.

    The problem with policing in the USA isn't a few random officers. It's the entire system and culture of policing in general, nationally.
    It is sad that it is always the non lethal option that are removed in case of low budget, but not surprinsing in a country with so many weapons. Sending Officers with only non lethal weapons would be a death sentence.

    And calling Officers ACAB is sure to get them to listen to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    They did not have tasers and were not issued them due to budget apparently.
    Man, with police budgets so inflated, what are they spending it all on? More ammo for the range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Man, with police budgets so inflated, what are they spending it all on? More ammo for the range?
    More military gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Yeah we can. It could have been avoided by not charging at the police with a knife.
    Cops are armed with TASERS which, even the short video shows, they had PLENTY of time to switch to. A hail of bullets is not the proper response to someone armed with a knife a half-dozen yards away. Guns shouldn't even be drawn unless the people they're facing off with are brandishing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    If they’re putting others lives at risk absolutely.
    Trump and his supporters who refuse to take safety precautions by wearing masks etc. are also putting others lives at risk, therefore by your logic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Cops are armed with TASERS which, even the short video shows, they had PLENTY of time to switch to. A hail of bullets is not the proper response to someone armed with a knife a half-dozen yards away. Guns shouldn't even be drawn unless the people they're facing off with are brandishing them.
    It seems than in this case, they were not armed with tasers due to budget limitations.

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