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    Odd, it always seems to be black suspect / white officer(s) in a country infamous for its poor police training.
    Almost as it should be looked into hmm..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Its exactly the same, and its pushed by folks who claim to be fighting the systemic racism in the US. We do have problem with racism in the US and its absolutely needs to be addressed and changed. WHat doesn't need to happen is to replace it with another system based on racism towards a different demographic. Its amazing how the authoritarian left thinks using the same tactics as the fascists in the GOP makes them the good guys. it doesn't it makes you the just as authoritarian, just as racist, and just as wrong.
    You dont really know what's going on do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    WHat doesn't need to happen is to replace it with another system based on racism towards a different demographic.
    Literally no one is advocating this.

    You're taking any argument against systemic racism, and trying to argue that breaking down systemic racism requires you to be racist against white people. That's bafflingly ridiculous and makes no sense at any level.

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    Every day it's the same schtick with the same posters. Why do you all continually feed the Vol'jins with attention?

    We all know the point behind posters like Sauce, and it ain't to have a good discussion lol

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    Have you any evidence that he is calling you a liar BECAUSE you are jewish ? Or are you just playing the victim card ?
    Well, we know he’s an anti-Semite, since I’ve already proven he doesn’t believe Jews have a right to self-defense. And we know I’m not a liar because I’ve already proven what he asked. The rest is basic inference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Literally no one is advocating this.

    You're taking any argument against systemic racism, and trying to argue that breaking down systemic racism requires you to be racist against white people. That's bafflingly ridiculous and makes no sense at any level.
    It makes sense on one level, but that is the level of a typical racist who doesn't want things to change.

    I mean the only time any person is against change is when they are 100% happy with status quo. So if a person fights against ending systemic racism, it means they are likely happy about systemic racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Literally no one is advocating this.

    You're taking any argument against systemic racism, and trying to argue that breaking down systemic racism requires you to be racist against white people. That's bafflingly ridiculous and makes no sense at any level.
    Endus you have to understand to Trumpsters and White Supremacists bringing up minorities by freeing them from the systemic racism makes them equal with white people which in turn removes the power from white people. To Trumpsters and White Supremacists this means we are attacking white people and this is the first step to the Liberal Final Solution where we finally enact the dreaded white genocide right wing talking heads have been talking up for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    Well, we know he’s an anti-Semite, since I’ve already proven he doesn’t believe Jews have a right to self-defense. And we know I’m not a liar because I’ve already proven what he asked. The rest is basic inference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Never said that in fact ill clear this up for you. Jews, like every other human, have the right in the US to arm themselves for self defence.
    This is why you are a liar. But i expect nothing less form the authoritarian left wing and its ilk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    Endus you have to understand to Trumpsters and White Supremacists bringing up minorities by freeing them from the systemic racism makes them equal with white people which in turn removes the power from white people. To Trumpsters and White Supremacists this means we are attacking white people and this is the first step to the Liberal Final Solution where we finally enact the dreaded white genocide right wing talking heads have been talking up for decades.
    Never voted for trump, wont be voting for trump. ive ive told you folks here many times, which you constantly ignore. i'm a libertarian. Ill be voting for Dr. Jo Jorgensen because unlike the authoritarian left and trumps alt right, i don't believe in racism as an ideological pillar for my politics to be based upon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Every day it's the same schtick with the same posters. Why do you all continually feed the Vol'jins with attention?

    We all know the point behind posters like Sauce, and it ain't to have a good discussion lol
    Yeah, it's best just to let the sad trombone noise play when you read a Sauce post and move on, but every once in a while it can be fun to rattle the poor little fellas cage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Literally no one is advocating this.
    Certainly didn't look that way with the Jake Gardner case. A man who clearly used a last resort of deadly force in self defense after being jumped by multiple criminals and put in a choke hold where there was no ability to retreat.

    But, because a mob of crazy people can influence justice now, he was still charged with manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    Certainly didn't look that way with the Jake Gardner case. A man who clearly used a last resort of deadly force in self defense after being jumped by multiple criminals and put in a choke hold where there was no ability to retreat.

    But, because a mob of crazy people can influence justice now, he was still charged with manslaughter.
    What about it? DA decided not to press charges, Grand Jury disagreed, he was indicted but had not gone to trial.

    Looking at the information surrounding the case, it sure seems like he drew his weapon damned quickly for a shove but was likely in his rights to defend himself after firing the warning shots.

    So do court proceedings matter to y'all or not? And indictment is not an automatic guilty verdict. How is any of that "racist towards another demographic"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    Certainly didn't look that way with the Jake Gardner case. A man who clearly used a last resort of deadly force in self defense after being jumped by multiple criminals and put in a choke hold where there was no ability to retreat.

    But, because a mob of crazy people can influence justice now, he was still charged with manslaughter.
    Hahahahaha hahahahaha if you’d be mad at any one of the numerous situations in this thread alone, where a black person Was killed and the people got off then your little bullshit crybaby rant would carry some weight. But we all know you’ve never been upset when a black person is wrongly killed.

    We all know it.

    All of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    Certainly didn't look that way with the Jake Gardner case. A man who clearly used a last resort of deadly force in self defense after being jumped by multiple criminals and put in a choke hold where there was no ability to retreat.

    But, because a mob of crazy people can influence justice now, he was still charged with manslaughter.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/ne...ide/index.html

    So from the footage;
    Gardner and his dad harassed some protestors, his dad shoved one.
    Someone shoved his dad back, knocking him to the ground.
    Gardner intervenes, and flashes his gun (a lethal threat, itself).
    Two people jump Gardner at this point, knocking him down, and he shoots one of them, killing him.

    And what's the issue with the charges, again?
    Gardner's father was the one to commit the first assault.
    Gardner had no grounds to flash the weapon and threaten its use thereby.
    Making the case for self defense after those two elements is really shaky. He might have been able to make that case, in court, but the idea that it shouldn't go to court at all seems really questionable.

    And let's review your misrepresentations;
    This wasn't a "last resort". The people assaulting him were unarmed, and he and his father had, between the two of them, instigated the violence and escalated it to lethal threats.
    They weren't "criminals" he was threatening.
    Lack of ability to retreat doesn't let you automatically escalate to lethal force.
    There was no "mob of crazy people"; what you're talking about there is a grand jury proceeding.

    Edit: That case also has absolutely fuck-all to do with some kind of mythical "systemic racism against white people" horseshit, that I was calling a delusional fantasy, in the part of my post you cited this in response to. It doesn't support any contradiction of my point, even if this had been a case of a bad grand jury decision, which I'm not convinced that it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Hahahahaha hahahahaha if you’d be mad at any one of the numerous situations in this thread alone, where a black person Was killed and the people got off then your little bullshit crybaby rant would carry some weight.
    Bro, you have been ranting far more than others can keep up. Why would anyone be expected to read it. It's garbage anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    Bro, you have been ranting far more than others can keep up. Why would anyone be expected to read it. It's garbage anyway.
    And yet....you read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    It's garbage anyway.
    Here's some class S projection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    "A group tied to Rittenhouse's legal team"?

    Isn't public propagandizing about your client ahead of trial, like, super illegal? It's deliberately poisoning the jury pool. His legal team should be disbarred and charged as accessories after the fact for that horseshit.
    They went to an event today hosted by known racist Michelle Malkin.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...m-b605105.html

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    I'm kind of concerned that Trump is purposely inflaming racial tensions and hostilities here, in a southern strategy type of play. He constantly treats all protests as if they are violent riots, and the few times he has discussed peaceful protests, he picks ones that he can criticize (such as Kapernick or the NBA players thinking of striking). He'll tweet support the cops or people that back the cops (like Kyle Rittenhouse), and while he's not overt enough to be called out about it, it seems pretty clear that he wants these protests to happen. The media goes over board with discussing it, almost on a daily basis. Trump himself in almost every speech discusses the "lawlessness" and completely ignores why people are protesting. Meanwhile there are a lot of people that don't follow the issue closely, but see rioters lighting stuff on fire and vandalizing shit, and end up being concerned. I feel like the way the media is representing these stories is kinda playing right into Trump's hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    I'm kind of concerned that Trump is purposely inflaming racial tensions and hostilities here, in a southern strategy type of play. He constantly treats all protests as if they are violent riots, and the few times he has discussed peaceful protests, he picks ones that he can criticize (such as Kapernick or the NBA players thinking of striking). He'll tweet support the cops or people that back the cops (like Kyle Rittenhouse), and while he's not overt enough to be called out about it, it seems pretty clear that he wants these protests to happen. The media goes over board with discussing it, almost on a daily basis. Trump himself in almost every speech discusses the "lawlessness" and completely ignores why people are protesting. Meanwhile there are a lot of people that don't follow the issue closely, but see rioters lighting stuff on fire and vandalizing shit, and end up being concerned. I feel like the way the media is representing these stories is kinda playing right into Trump's hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    keep your eyes on portland tommorow, its going to be a shitshow.
    Did I hear right that a bunch of out of state/city Proud Bois are showing up to protest against racial justice and holding police accountable?

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