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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Oh it’s been a while but I can’t imagine things have changed any. I was in a mental hospital for about a week when I was like 16 (10+years ago) cause I had a breakdown. It was the police that restrained me and took me there and there was a police officer in the room whenever I met with the shrink.
    Being white has its advantages, I suppose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    There’s always a lot of talk of a general strike on the left. But it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Just your typical neo-liberal horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    It’s funnier when seeing someone attack the media, in defense of the government. Even funnier, is to hear someone claim this is somehow new. I’m sorry, when Rodney King riots happened, we had an idiot of a president in Bush, but he was still a million times smarter than Trump. The riots ended fairly quick... no blaming the media... just accountability and leadership. Something if your are too young to remember, is just an example of the deterioration of social norms under Trump.
    lol, so adorable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I'm not entirely sure how it's bigoted to point out that a minor who is going through a mental health crisis being arrested and treated like a criminal during their recovery is a bad thing.
    Hey now, these cops really showed restraint by not killing him!
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    There’s always a lot of talk of a general strike on the left. But it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Just your typical neo-liberal horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dormie View Post
    lol, so adorable
    No one liners? No calling me bigoted? I’ll let you figure out what just happened...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    No one liners? No calling me bigoted? I’ll let you figure out what just happened...
    Sorry I don't argue with children/ideologues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    The cops from the video dealt with it perfectly fine though. The assailant is taken down, the public safety is assured, the law is upheld. Another job done well. Your cops might have a different approach but it is the outcome that matters
    No they did not. Public safety isnt assured if cops murder the mentally ill no questions asked. Yes and the outcome having dead bodies is a failure on the police. Always will be. Especially when they're more willing to end a life than get even a little hurt. I s2g cops fear pain more than any other group considering how many lives theyve ended just so they dont get punched or humiliated.

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    Sorry I don't argue with children/ideologues.
    Must get lonely, being the smartest kid in school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDruid96 View Post
    People charge at cops with knives all the time and don't get shot? I keep finding different stories of people being shot charging officers with a knife, but I am not finding officers not shooting who are being charged at with a knife. Can you find me some stories?
    Try searching outside of america. They gave our cops stab proof vests so if they started shooting people with knives we get pretty upset since they're meant to be putting themselves between the public and harm not harming the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Literally 5 seconds youtube search:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOTLP9rDiN4

    Trick is you have to include "UK" or another developed country name in your search.
    Question. What if he stabbed the police officer in the eye with the knife? or the throat? I mean should it be a requirement that if someone comes at you with a deadly weapon such as a butcher knife that you try and physically restrain them and thus risk injury or death to yourself in the process, before being allowed to use your weapon?

    Use a taser! If the suspect is wearing baggy clothing a taser often doesn't work.

    What about their partner? What about them? Depending on the physical strength of the attacker and their chemical state they could potentially overpower two cops.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7424380/p...er-wallace-jr/

    From the story link above, you can see in the photograph the suspect is clearly wielding a knife. that fact isn't in dispute.



    Luckily the Peaceful protesters/rioters took out their anger on a known symbol of white supremacy. Foot locker.

    Perhaps we could just shoot them in the leg as Joe Biden suggested?

    Here's an article explaining that https://reason.com/2020/10/15/joe-bi...ot-in-the-leg/
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    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    Question. What if he stabbed the police officer in the eye with the knife? or the throat? I mean should it be a requirement that if someone comes at you with a deadly weapon such as a butcher knife that you try and physically restrain them and thus risk injury or death to yourself in the process, before being allowed to use your weapon?
    But he didn't, that's the point. You can talk all you want about hypotheticals, and that's not to say that the officers were in no danger or that these incidents don't turn out with officers injured, but you're proposing a hypothetical in the face of a real world example disproving your hypothetical.

    I mean, how little it apparently takes for some people to be alright with police killing someone, which is literally not what they're supposed to do, when we have examples of officers in other countries and even locally here that show that you can resolve potentially dangerous situations without shooting someone, is kinda scary to me.

    We shouldn't be alright with police killing people at the rate they do in the US, and for such little cause.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ers_by_country

    If this is remotely accurate, our police are in the same company as Iran, Uraguay, Angola, Colombia, and Mali, at 34.8 people killed per 10 million.

    The closest developed western (not including LATAM) comparisons are Canada at a whopping 9.7, and France with a monstrous 3.8.

    For the richest, most powerful developed nation in the world, that's frankly pretty fuckin pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    Question. What if he stabbed the police officer in the eye with the knife? or the throat? I mean should it be a requirement that if someone comes at you with a deadly weapon such as a butcher knife that you try and physically restrain them and thus risk injury or death to yourself in the process, before being allowed to use your weapon?
    The usual measure is that they have to express intent to actually attack you with that weapon.

    Walking towards you while armed doesn't amount to such a threat. Unless you're suggesting that someone can wander the streets shooting every single person they see openly carrying a weapon, even police officers. Obviously, that's insane, right? So why does that rationale get used by officers?

    Use a taser!
    If the suspect is wearing baggy clothing a taser often doesn't work.
    There's two officers there. One can keep their sidearm on the guy while the other tases him, in case things escalate from there.

    What about their partner? What about them?
    Depending on the physical strength of the attacker and their chemical state they could potentially overpower two cops.
    Not if they're not complete morons. If they're not standing side by side, he has to pick who to attack, and the other can cover his partner.

    But these two questions all presume there's an attack, and there was never even an attempt at an assault in this case. Literally nothing other than that the guy was holding a knife. His family's concern was that he'd self-harm, which is why they asked for mental health and an ambulance, not police response.

    From the story link above, you can see in the photograph the suspect is clearly wielding a knife. that fact isn't in dispute.
    Yes, but, right to bear arms and all that. You can't use the bearing of arms as justification for shooting them. Even outside the US without the second amendment, you'd still have to justify the use of force, and just "having a knife" isn't going to amount to that anywhere. Reminder that the police were not called and there was no suspicion of assault or violence, here.

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    This shit is going to keep happening until we stop selecting police officers from a pool of people who are intentionally racist and uneducated, and start sending social workers and/or psychologists on 911 calls.

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    It's weird how the far right is all about personal freedom and "screw you goverment". But it's ok for the Police who's part of the executive branch, to show up at your front lawn when you're obviously mentally ill and kill you.

    It's so hypocritical it's unlreal. When they want "freedom", it really does not matter if the goverment controls all aspects of life, as long as they kill people they dislike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    "Walking towards someone" is "super aggressive"?

    Hey, guys, he's actually trying the South Park "it's comin' right for us!" argument. He seriously thinks that's a defense.
    Some people shouldn't watch south park if you actually compare the two. Who the fuck is so dumb they fast walk towards two police with their guns out like that? What happened to put your hands up and stand still?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    It's weird how the far right is all about personal freedom and "screw you goverment". But it's ok for the Police who's part of the executive branch, to show up at your front lawn when you're obviously mentally ill and kill you.

    It's so hypocritical it's unlreal. When they want "freedom", it really does not matter if the goverment controls all aspects of life, as long as they kill people they dislike.
    It's been very clear for a long time now that when most people say they care about freedom, that they only care about their own freedoms and have not really interrogated the concept much outside of "i do what i want".

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    Quote Originally Posted by cface View Post
    Some people shouldn't watch south park if you actually compare the two. Who the fuck is so dumb they fast walk towards two police with their guns out like that? What happened to put your hands up and stand still?
    You've illustrated that you can not get south park and still watch it. the statement about gun culture in the US is pretty blatant. I dunno why it stops applying because it makes police brutality look as mindless and pointless as it actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    It's weird how the far right is all about personal freedom and "screw you goverment". But it's ok for the Police who's part of the executive branch, to show up at your front lawn when you're obviously mentally ill and kill you.

    It's so hypocritical it's unlreal. When they want "freedom", it really does not matter if the goverment controls all aspects of life, as long as they kill people they dislike.
    People who are about "screw your government" mean that they dont need government's help in taking down armed asailants but if government is there to help, that's fine for them I guess
    Lives matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    It's been very clear for a long time now that when most people say they care about freedom, that they only care about their own freedoms and have not really interrogated the concept much outside of "i do what i want".

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    You've illustrated that you can not get south park and still watch it. the statement about gun culture in the US is pretty blatant. I dunno why it stops applying because it makes police brutality look as mindless and pointless as it actually is.
    So I can't get the episode since I'm not from US and don't get the gun culture? The police were screaming with guns out, yet the black man came at them fast with hands down and some say he had a knife. How can that be ok in any country? Is that seriously ok in america?
    There is a bunch of things police could probably do, but with 3 months training, and an america on edge with police cars on fire, looting and killing each other, I just don't see how you can really blame the officers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cface View Post
    So I can't get the episode since I'm not from US and don't get the gun culture? The police were screaming with guns out, yet the black man came at them fast with hands down and some say he had a knife. How can that be ok in any country? Is that seriously ok in america?
    There is a bunch of things police could probably do, but with 3 months training, and an america on edge with police cars on fire, looting and killing each other, I just don't see how you can really blame the officers.
    No you can, but you clearly don't quite grasp the episode if you exclude the trigger happy cops. It's not okay, but the dude is clearly distressed and not with it, but killing him or causing serious harm is excessive and brutal. You do realize the police being shit is what caused the looting and the violence? Their refusal to accept responsibility and even consider things like harm reduction is why people are furious. Then to make things worse instead of allowing the protests to peaceful occur they continue to brutalize people for the whole world to see, they've made it clear that they will put boots on necks before they hold themselves accountable. Like I know America never really recognized the Peelian principles but it's almost as if they saw them and decided that was the exact opposite of what they would do.

    It's almost as if they choose to be cops and it's quite clear that the cops have no real compunction to do better or kill fewer people. There are a lot of people to blame for this shit and the cops are certainly on that list.

    You seem to be trying to come from a position that the police forces in the US haven't been routinely showing their capacity for brutality and completely disregarding the people they are supposed to be policing.

    which is either incredibly ignorant or in bad faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    It's weird how the far right is all about personal freedom and "screw you goverment". But it's ok for the Police who's part of the executive branch, to show up at your front lawn when you're obviously mentally ill and kill you.

    It's so hypocritical it's unlreal. When they want "freedom", it really does not matter if the goverment controls all aspects of life, as long as they kill people they dislike.
    Actually, that wouldn't be completely correct. These people probably would mind the government being too intrusive to their own lives (in obvious ways at least, not in the subtle ways that are already missed). The thing is more that their idea of freedom is only for 'the right people'. That's why some people can run around armed, even pointing their guns at civilians and police and not even get bothered, while others will get shot and the shooters defended. It is not the act itself that is being judged, but more the one doing it. And, usually, the further removed a person is from their self-perception, the less a 'right person' they are. And that is certainly not limited to race. Mental health status, (perceived) socio-economic status and even political preferences all play a role there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The usual measure is that they have to express intent to actually attack you with that weapon.

    Check the video
    at 1:06 you can see the knife is in his hand (pointing at the officer) and he is demonstrating an intent to stab the officer who is backing away). That is a very clear case of intent.

    Walking towards you while armed doesn't amount to such a threat. Unless you're suggesting that someone can wander the streets shooting every single person they see openly carrying a weapon, even police officers. Obviously, that's insane, right? So why does that rationale get used by officers?

    comparing apples to oranges. When people open carry typically their gun is in either in a holster or pointed away from anyone so they aren't considered in a threatening manner.


    There's two officers there. One can keep their sidearm on the guy while the other tases him, in case things escalate from there.

    Also a Fyi. according to this article and officer data https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2...en-tasers-fail the success rate of tasers is around 55%. Would you trust your life to a 55% chance? That's hardly better than a coin flip.


    Not if they're not complete morons. If they're not standing side by side, he has to pick who to attack, and the other can cover his partner.

    But these two questions all presume there's an attack, and there was never even an attempt at an assault in this case. Literally nothing other than that the guy was holding a knife. His family's concern was that he'd self-harm, which is why they asked for mental health and an ambulance, not police response.

    Do you think an ambulance worker wants to deal with a knife wielding individual? Are they equipped with the proper tools to deal with one? Probably not.

    Yes, but, right to bear arms and all that. You can't use the bearing of arms as justification for shooting them. Even outside the US without the second amendment, you'd still have to justify the use of force, and just "having a knife" isn't going to amount to that anywhere. Reminder that the police were not called and there was no suspicion of assault or violence, here.
    answers in red. Also you have a right to bear arms, a knife is not considered an arm.

    Oh also according to this article https://www.inquirer.com/news/walter...-20201027.html the police didn't have tasers on them anyway since their budget is a work in progress.

    One final point. According to https://www.phila.gov/2018-03-20-gun-control-policies/ You can open carry everywhere in PA aside in Philadelphia. Maybe he should have put the knife down instead of charging toward the officers with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    Question. What if he stabbed the police officer in the eye with the knife? or the throat? I mean should it be a requirement that if someone comes at you with a deadly weapon such as a butcher knife that you try and physically restrain them and thus risk injury or death to yourself in the process, before being allowed to use your weapon?
    But he didn't, now did he?

    There is a fundamental difference between how US cops see their jobs and those in other countries. US cops see deadly violence as a valid and way too often first and only problem solving strategy. Real cops are trained to counter threats with an appropriate amount of force. And that does include killing as a very last resort when all other methods are exhausted.

    As hard as it is for you to understand, police are there to protect everyone and that includes criminals. Police are not judge and executioner. Police job is to apprehend criminals and let an actual judge do the judging and sentencing. Yes it is a hard and dangerous job. But if you are so afraid of everything that your first thought is "kill kill kill" maybe you should apply for another job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    Question. What if he stabbed the police officer in the eye with the knife? or the throat?
    What if he built a giant death-ray and held the world hostage? Who cares about lousy hypotheticals?
    /s

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