Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[cubby]

@cubby
https://www.insider.com/some-police-...lumbing-2020-6

It is worse than that. Some police academies only require as little as 672 hours of training to become a cop. Which is 28 days. Becoming a fucking barber takes 1300 hours to get certified to even cut fucking hair. It takes 5 years of "apprenticeship" and going to trade school to get a license to be a fucking plumber.

2 States, Alaska and Minnesota and DC, require 1000 hours to become a cop, but then you have Tennessee, South Carolina and Nevada, it only takes 480 hours to become a cop.

That's just fucking unbelievable. 60 working days to have the legally protected right to murder someone.

(I really with Defund Police had had a better name - not that that's the reason the movement is wanning)

[postman1782]

As has been repeatedly quoted in the Chauvin trial, third-degree murder in Minnesota is:

Seems appropriate for this one as well.

Wrong. He INTENTIONALLY knelt on his neck, without checking for a pulse, for 3 fucking minutes after he died.

[postman1782]

That's just fucking unbelievable. 60 working days to have the legally protected right to murder someone.

(I really with Defund Police had had a better name - not that that's the reason the movement is wanning)

Yep, I think they should have to go through everything for at least a year of training and require deep background checks, so that they don't get some of the white supremacist problem they have like the military seems to have lately.

[docterfreeze]

Man, this is just bringing out all the greatest hits of, "I'm not a sexist...BUT..."

idgaf about your labels. I'm speaking truth to power. Men and women are physically different.

[Spectral]

Wrong. He INTENTIONALLY knelt on his neck, without checking for a pulse, for 3 fucking minutes after he died.

I don't think you're reading me correctly. Whatever.

[cubby]

Yep, I think they should have to go through everything for at least a year of training and require deep background checks, so that they don't get some of the white supremacist problem they have like the military seems to have lately.

Agreed re the training. Include social service training, mental health, enhanced de-escalation practices.

I would go so far as to have police officers NOT carry firearms on their person. Leave them in the vehicle, secured.

[PACOX]

Avg man is bigger than the avg woman. That matters a lot when it comes to takedowns. You don't want to risk lives for the sake of equality. The fact that professional fighters are still separated into weight classes should set you on the path to enlightenment.

Your argument is literally "the average woman is too small for the job so must use deadly for every time, all the time".

WTF? Mind you I've seen small nurses drop people twice their size like nothing.

[Edge-]

idgaf about your labels. I'm speaking truth to power. Men and women are physically different.

They are physically different. However size may matter for a lot, but it's far from all that matters, technique plays a big role as well.

[postman1782]

I don't think you're reading me correctly. Whatever.

No, I am reading you just fine, you are trying to get him a lesser charge, when it is clearly murder.

[Zinstorm]

Avg man is bigger than the avg woman. That matters a lot when it comes to takedowns. You don't want to risk lives for the sake of equality. The fact that professional fighters are still separated into weight classes should set you on the path to enlightenment.

....even if your statement is true it doesn't mean women can't be cops or that they will always be worse cops compared to men.... Their is more to being a cop then just takedown ability... and plus even if their wasn't I'm pretty sure there are plenty of women cops who could do take downs at least 5 times better then the video you just linked.

Being a cop should come down to if said person can pass the required physical ability needed (whatever that line is), weather they can show they have aptitude for it and if they can learn the skills/get the training needed for it. That is it and none of that is restricted by a person's gender.

[postman1782]

Agreed re the training. Include social service training, mental health, enhanced de-escalation practices.

I would go so far as to have police officers NOT carry firearms on their person. Leave them in the vehicle, secured.

Yes, someone that carries around something designed to kill, that will go for that before going for non-lethal types of weapons, should have a lot more training. Especially when we have seen over the last few years, that cops have killed people with autism, or other mental health problems because they wouldn't comply or couldn't understand the orders.

[cubby]

Avg man is bigger than the avg woman. That matters a lot when it comes to takedowns. You don't want to risk lives for the sake of equality. The fact that professional fighters are still separated into weight classes should set you on the path to enlightenment.

It's almost like "takedowns" are not even 1% of the job description or actual duties of a police officer. Are you onto the path of enlightenment or do we need to eschew you of several other sexist points of view you hold?

[Spectral]

No, I am reading you just fine, you are trying to get him a lesser charge, when it is clearly murder.

No, that's pretty clearly not what I wrote and doesn't make any sense in this context. I'm not going to have a retarded argument with someone that's engaging this kind of pointless bad faith though.

[Themius]

The two incidents circulating illustrate any situation when dealing with the police is stressful for black people. When any given officer approaches you thinking the worst while others already walk around with ill intentions you for your all. Every move could be the 'wrong one' for no particular logical reason. Every world even if you do exactly as youre told. An entire institution that will throw your life away even in a clear case of murder because cops aren't supposed to cross the 'blue line'. "Well he should have moved faster", 'he should have kept his hands on the wheel" "he shouldn't look so intimidating" "I was scared" "he looked suspicious" "I didn't mean to actually shoot" "the bullets didn't actually kill him, it was xyz".

You know the system doesn't value your life so many can only see the life or death situation. Doesn't might if you're guilty or innocent of something, all that's ticking in your mind is your fight or flight response. "If this officer beats or kills me at least I tried to get away". Or "I'm not moving no matter what they say because it's their words vs my actions and my actions lose."

The 'good' cops aren't trained deal with bad officers, they are told to fall in line, or they just as fearful to speak up.

Defund the police was too harsh. They said the protests were too disruptive, even the defense authorities in the Floyd case valid theres a problem, that a unfavorable verdict will lead to a reaction. And yet we are right to where we were a year a ago. Almost to the day.

This is part of the reason I don't drive much at all... it's frequently in the back of my mind when I've gone through certain towns and literally be followed.

This is also why when in the past officer's have been attacked (sometimes by the very right wing people they supported...) I don't give two shits.

Not "everyone" in the SS was bad after all... but should anyone really give a shit when they're part of the entire apparatus of oppression to begin with?

[postman1782]

No, that's pretty clearly not what I wrote and doesn't make any sense in this context. I'm not going to have a retarded argument with someone that's engaging this kind of pointless bad faith though.

Because you clearly think that Chauvin, without intent, killed him. When clearly there were people there telling him he can't breathe besides Floyd, even an off-duty fireperson trying to render aid. Even knelt on him over 3 minutes after Floyd took his last breath, and didn't even try to take a pulse.

[Themius]

I don't think you're reading me correctly. Whatever.

Then be clear?

this one too

Too as in this one "also"

What other case are you referring to with your "too"

If you think the Chauvin case too should be just third-degree... you deserve the chastising you're getting.

[Spectral]

Then be clear?

this one too

Too as in this one "also"

What other case are you referring to with your "too"

If you think the Chauvin case too should be just third-degree... you deserve the chastising you're getting.

Chauvin, objectively, has a third-degree charge against him (in addition to the second-degree charge). The third-degree charge seems appropriate in this case as well.

I really don't care much if people are too enraptured by the usual circlejerk to parse simple syntax.

[docterfreeze]

Your argument is literally "the average woman is too small for the job so must use deadly for every time, all the time".

WTF? Mind you I've seen small nurses drop people twice their size like nothing.

Physical restraint is part of the job. You don't hire underqualified people. Women can still have a place in the force without going on patrol, just like the military. This also applies to manlets.

[Themius]

Chauvin, objectively, has a third-degree charge against him (in addition to the second-degree charge). The third-degree charge seems appropriate in this case as well.

I really don't care much if people are too enraptured by the usual circlejerk to parse simple syntax.

You can't be vague with your meaning and then also bitch and moan about your vagueness pick a fucking lane.

Second degree murder fits.

ubd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

[Spectral]

You can't be vague with your meaning and then also bitch and moan about your vagueness pick a fucking lane.

Second degree murder fits.

In this case today? Probably not, legally. I don't really care though, I have no energy to defend garbage cops. If she was hung in a public square I wouldn't mourn it.