Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Krakan]

I see. In your fantasy world, cops only kill criminals.

I mean we know they don't but the examples they keep bringing up for these riots doesn't help their cases much.

It would be refreshing if they hitched their wagon to someone who wasn't in the process of assaulting someone or ignoring instructions.

[wunksta]

I mean we know they don't but the examples they keep bringing up for these riots doesn't help their cases much.

It would be refreshing if they hitched their wagon to someone who wasn't in the process of assaulting someone or ignoring instructions.

Well besides the fact that even criminals have due process and don't deserve to be executed in the street even if they are resisting arrest, there's been tons of examples of trigger happy cops killing innocent people. Then the precincts cover it up or find no wrong doing or just move the cops to another precinct so they can continue their aggressive behavior leading to more violent interactions with innocent people. If you aren't seeing these cases being protested, I think that's on you.

[Krakan]

Well besides the fact that even criminals have due process and don't deserve to be executed in the street even if they are resisting arrest, there's been tons of examples of trigger happy cops killing innocent people. Then the precincts cover it up or find no wrong doing or just move the cops to another precinct so they can continue their aggressive behavior leading to more violent interactions with innocent people. If you aren't seeing these cases being protested, I think that's on you.

I mean I don't think it is. There are stories of cops dropping people off in the middle of no where when its - 40c for example and I've not seen a protest about that. What I have seen are the worse examples being highlighted and later on embarrassingly ignored when evidence of what actually occured comes to light ( the most eye rolling one was based around a recorded suicide ).
I would just find it refreshing if they picked a case where it doesn't appear that the cops were arguably in the right.

[wunksta]

I would just find it refreshing if they picked a case where it doesn't appear that the cops were arguably in the right.

There's been plenty of cases of innocent unarmed people being killed that have been brought up in this very thread. It's just that police abuse happens so frequently that new cases are brought up and people forget about the old ones. Then some people cherry pick cases, like you mentioned, and claim that it's all just criminals. It can also takes months or years for any traction or evidence to come out one way or another. And you are right, sometimes the evidence shows that the police were justified. In other cases, the police weren't justified but for one reason or another are acquitted. Very rarely, like in the murder of Botham Jean, do we see any actual justice.

[Bodakane]

Rittenhouse posted $2million bail and is out walking around free right now

[postman1782]

Rittenhouse posted $2million bail and is out walking around free right now

Hope he enjoys his little freedom before his goes to jail for the rest of his life.

[Felya]

Hope he enjoys his little freedom before his goes to jail for the rest of his life.

I think at least an eye brow should be raised at him being able to afford that bail...

[jonnysensible]

I think at least an eye brow should be raised at him being able to afford that bail...

mypillow guy donated some of it, im not joking

[Felya]

mypillow guy donated some of it, im not joking

Then obviously those pillows are way over priced...

[Daemos daemonium]

I mean I don't think it is. There are stories of cops dropping people off in the middle of no where when its - 40c for example and I've not seen a protest about that. What I have seen are the worse examples being highlighted and later on embarrassingly ignored when evidence of what actually occured comes to light ( the most eye rolling one was based around a recorded suicide ).
I would just find it refreshing if they picked a case where it doesn't appear that the cops were arguably in the right.

where exactly is the arguable rightness In kneeing on some one for 10min until they die? Or shooting though walls killing a woman in her own home and not even being charged with manslaughter? or getting the good old boys to chase down a jogger and then using your contacts to avoid any jail time until months later when video goes public? or the billions of other examples that have been brought up through out the thread? one would think given how undeniably awful these things are that the arguable part would be that there all black and that makes it ok.

[jonnysensible]

I mean I don't think it is. There are stories of cops dropping people off in the middle of no where when its - 40c for example and I've not seen a protest about that. .

the protests are literally about the systemic problems in policing triggered by individual events usually involving one caught on camera.

I wont comment on the rest of your bootlicking.

[Endus]

I think at least an eye brow should be raised at him being able to afford that bail...

If they used a bondsman, they'd only need 10% IIRC. And there were big campaigns to support the murderous terrorist fuckhead, for some goddamned reason. Not shocked he's out, really.

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where exactly is the arguable rightness In kneeing on some one for 10min until they die? Or shooting though walls killing a woman in her own home and not even being charged with manslaughter? or getting the good old boys to chase down a jogger and then using your contacts to avoid any jail time until months later when video goes public? or the billions of other examples that have been brought up through out the thread? one would think given how undeniably awful these things are that the arguable part would be that there all black and that makes it ok.

You'll find that it with these folks, it always boils down to "those black criminals should be slaughtered like animals", if you push them hard enough and long enough.

The entire attitude is an expression of deep, violent racism. Literally nothing else.

[Masark]

If they used a bondsman, they'd only need 10% IIRC.

Wisconsin doesn't allow bondsmen.

[JohnBrown1917]

I mean we know they don't but the examples they keep bringing up for these riots doesn't help their cases much.

It would be refreshing if they hitched their wagon to someone who wasn't in the process of assaulting someone or ignoring instructions.

Making up fake crimes for the people they kill is not going to help you.

[Krakan]

There's been plenty of cases of innocent unarmed people being killed that have been brought up in this very thread. It's just that police abuse happens so frequently that new cases are brought up and people forget about the old ones. Then some people cherry pick cases, like you mentioned, and claim that it's all just criminals. It can also takes months or years for any traction or evidence to come out one way or another. And you are right, sometimes the evidence shows that the police were justified. In other cases, the police weren't justified but for one reason or another are acquitted. Very rarely, like in the murder of Botham Jean, do we see any actual justice.

I don't disagree with you but we are arguing two different things. These riots have almost been completely centered around instances where police force was warranted. I don't disagree with you just actual cases of abuse of power don't seem to get people as riled up.

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where exactly is the arguable rightness In kneeing on some one for 10min until they die? Or shooting though walls killing a woman in her own home and not even being charged with manslaughter? or getting the good old boys to chase down a jogger and then using your contacts to avoid any jail time until months later when video goes public? or the billions of other examples that have been brought up through out the thread? one would think given how undeniably awful these things are that the arguable part would be that there all black and that makes it ok.

In order assuming I'm not mixing up cases...

He died of drug overdose not suffocation according to the autopsy.

I admit I'm not clear on the shooting case why where they shooting through the walls? Was it for fun or was their a very valid reason for it?

He was trespassing on a construction site and being followed be then charged them tried to tear a gun out of a mans hands and got shot in the struggle. I'm failing to see how any of that is anyone's fault but his.

I've yet to see a billion.

Don't get me wrong I'm not cheering when people die but I understand at some point you have to resort to using force.

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Making up fake crimes for the people they kill is not going to help you.

Why would I bother rather then simply listing their real crimes?

I am not talking about people wrongly and in some dark cases clearly criminally killed by police. I am speaking on the majority of the cases that have sparked these riots.

[Felya]

I don't disagree with you but we are arguing two different things. These riots have almost been completely centered around instances where police force was warranted. I don't disagree with you just actual cases of abuse of power don't seem to get people as riled up.

Which ones? If almost all were about were police force was warranted. Briana Taylor or Floyd? Since those were the largest ones...

He died of drug overdose not suffocation according to the autopsy.

Source...

I admit I'm not clear on the shooting case why where they shooting through the walls? Was it for fun or was their a very valid reason for it?

They made a mistake and are actively trying to cover it up.

He was trespassing on a construction site and being followed be then charged them tried to tear a gun out of a mans hands and got shot in the struggle. I'm failing to see how any of that is anyone's fault but his.

What? They cut him off in broad daylight and attacked him. The assailants then called their cop buddies and tried to cover it up. The guy was simply jogging and got attacked by two men. wTF?

Don't get me wrong I'm not cheering when people die but I understand at some point you have to resort to using force.

Let’s see you list these instances you are aware of, where the force applied was justified. We can discuss if the means cheering... after...

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Why would I bother rather then simply listing their real crimes?

Because you are arguing that killing people is warranted.

I am not talking about people wrongly and in some dark cases clearly criminally killed by police. I am speaking on the majority of the cases that have sparked these riots.

That’s why he is calling it fake and am waiting for examples.

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He died of drug overdose not suffocation according to the autopsy.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/ge...psy/index.html

The independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined.

But the medical examiner's office, in its report also released Monday, said that the cause of death is "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Cardiopulmonary arrest means Floyd's heart failed.

The county said that fentanyl and methamphetamine use were among "significant conditions," but its report didn't say how much of either drug was in Floyd's system or how that may have contributed.

This is why people say you are lying. You get your news from shitty sources...

[beanman12345]

I don't disagree with you but we are arguing two different things. These riots have almost been completely centered around instances where police force was warranted. I don't disagree with you just actual cases of abuse of power don't seem to get people as riled up.

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In order assuming I'm not mixing up cases...

He died of drug overdose not suffocation according to the autopsy.

I admit I'm not clear on the shooting case why where they shooting through the walls? Was it for fun or was their a very valid reason for it?

He was trespassing on a construction site and being followed be then charged them tried to tear a gun out of a mans hands and got shot in the struggle. I'm failing to see how any of that is anyone's fault but his.

I've yet to see a billion.

Don't get me wrong I'm not cheering when people die but I understand at some point you have to resort to using force.

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Why would I bother rather then simply listing their real crimes?

I am not talking about people wrongly and in some dark cases clearly criminally killed by police. I am speaking on the majority of the cases that have sparked these riots.

so what exactly are you, just willfully Ignorant or a blatently bad liar? drug overdose and trespassing? what bullshit you peddling?

[unfilteredJW]

I don't disagree with you but we are arguing two different things. These riots have almost been completely centered around instances where police force was warranted. I don't disagree with you just actual cases of abuse of power don't seem to get people as riled up.

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In order assuming I'm not mixing up cases...

He died of drug overdose not suffocation according to the autopsy.

I admit I'm not clear on the shooting case why where they shooting through the walls? Was it for fun or was their a very valid reason for it?

He was trespassing on a construction site and being followed be then charged them tried to tear a gun out of a mans hands and got shot in the struggle. I'm failing to see how any of that is anyone's fault but his.

I've yet to see a billion.

Don't get me wrong I'm not cheering when people die but I understand at some point you have to resort to using force.

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Why would I bother rather then simply listing their real crimes?

I am not talking about people wrongly and in some dark cases clearly criminally killed by police. I am speaking on the majority of the cases that have sparked these riots.

These are lies and can be summarily dismissed.

[Felya]

so what exactly are you, just willfully Ignorant or a blatently bad liar? drug overdose and trespassing? what bullshit you peddling?

I’ve seen you post on here a lot... you know exactly the bullshit he is peddling...



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These are lies and can be summarily dismissed.

This isn’t lies... this is like someone dancing to an Antifa song, draped in a blue line flag. The assertion being made, isn’t a lie... it’s........

Edit: I am not calling anyone ‘ellipsis’, that’s intended to signify me trailing off... lol

[postman1782]

I don't disagree with you but we are arguing two different things. These riots have almost been completely centered around instances where police force was warranted. I don't disagree with you just actual cases of abuse of power don't seem to get people as riled up.

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In order assuming I'm not mixing up cases...

1. He died of drug overdose not suffocation according to the autopsy.

I admit I'm not clear on the shooting case why where they shooting through the walls? Was it for fun or was their a very valid reason for it?

2. He was trespassing on a construction site and being followed be then charged them tried to tear a gun out of a mans hands and got shot in the struggle. I'm failing to see how any of that is anyone's fault but his.

I've yet to see a billion.

Don't get me wrong I'm not cheering when people die but I understand at some point you have to resort to using force.

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Why would I bother rather then simply listing their real crimes?

I am not talking about people wrongly and in some dark cases clearly criminally killed by police. I am speaking on the majority of the cases that have sparked these riots.

1. Both autopsies showed he died to suffocation by compression to the neck. There wasn't enough drugs in his system for him to die. He was in cuffs, with 3 people on top of him, saying he couldn't breathe, then he suffocated.

2. And Ahmaud Arbery was the ONLY person that was stopped, even though there were 11 white people that trespassed on the same construction site over the months prior to the killing of Arbery. They chased him down the road and blocked him in with 2 trucks, and then some random redneck jumps out of their truck with a fucking gun pointed at you, what would you do? Sit there and take it or would you run and defend yourself? My guess is you would defend yourself. And thanks to the evidence that has come out since the arrests, we now know that these good ol' boys were racist dumbasses without their hoods and that they wanted to have their computers deleted to not show how racist they actually are.

You really shouldn't talk about things you CLEARLY do not know about.