Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Edge-]

I will not comment anything about the case itself, but this place is a shithole (though I can easily imagine even worse ones). Says more about the prison system itself and all that comes from/due to it.

Compared to the cells at some prisons I visited while in college (for coursework, not to stay : P) it's pretty fuckin cushy. Like, really cushy. Helluva lot better than an auditorium of stacked bunkbeds or even smaller cells with fewer "amenities". I mean, he's even got a bit of a window for some natural sunlight.

But yes, it speaks to how absolutely garbage the US prison system is and how the whole thing is designed purely to inflict further suffering rather than make any credible attempt at rehabilitation in an effort to reduce recidivism and promote overall public safety.

[Breccia]

Sentencing in eight weeks give or take.

[cubby]

I will not comment anything about the case itself, but this place is a shithole (though I can easily imagine even worse ones). Says more about the prison system itself and all that comes from/due to it.

And while it might look like a shithole, it's entirely "cushy" compared to most other state prison systems. I can't imagine he'll be allowed into any general population regardless, so whatever prison sentence he receives will be in solitary. A living hell.

[Edge-]

so whatever prison sentence he receives will be in solitary. A living hell.

To a point, I doubt he's going to get the kind of solitary that many prisoners often suffer in, with extensive neglect of their basic rights, denial of any human contact/interaction, often even not allowing them out to exercise and get some vitamin D from the sun. I imagine he and the prison guards will be pretty chatty.

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Man, Fox hosts are really losing their shit over this verdict but like...holy shit, it's weird seeing Jeanine fucking Pirro be the voice of reason in the face of Greg Gutfield trying what I can only assume is his next bit for his comedy show.

[Karreck]

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Man, Fox hosts are really losing their shit over this verdict but like...holy shit, it's weird seeing Jeanine fucking Pirro be the voice of reason in the face of Greg Gutfield trying what I can only assume is his next bit for his comedy show.

They are trying desperately to hand wave away the verdict as being a response to potential protests rather than the facts of the case clearly showing guilt. This network spent the past year blaming George Floyd and defending Chauvin's actions are perfectly justified and reasonable.
We are watching cognitive dissonance live on Fox.

[cubby]

To a point, I doubt he's going to get the kind of solitary that many prisoners often suffer in, with extensive neglect of their basic rights, denial of any human contact/interaction, often even not allowing them out to exercise and get some vitamin D from the sun. I imagine he and the prison guards will be pretty chatty.

Agreed - and yeah, they will pretty chatty. But still - the entire life he knows now: friends, family, outdoors, hunting, fishing, television shows, bbq's, police force comradery - all gone. Solitary confinement with minimal outside contact. It won't be as bad as some others in comparison, but to him, it will still be a living hell.

[s_bushido]

Man, Fox hosts are really losing their shit over this verdict but like...holy shit

Honestly, I don't know what they're so worried about. If they just don't murder people while on duty as a member of law enforcement comply with authorities, they won't be possibly found guilty of the crimes they've committed murdered by the police.

I do get some grim enjoyment out of the fact that the fuckers who constantly repeated that narrative of "comply and nothing bad will happen to you!" are now pretending that they're being cowed by the mob so that nothing bad happens to them.

[Very Tired]

Funny seeing r/conservative, so desperate to believe they are on the right side of this, keep on peddling the notion that all the jurors were intimated by the protesters to vote guilty. Never actually once entertaining the idea that maybe, just maybe, the jurors saw the facts of the case like we did and came to the same conclusion. Not to mention the jurors reached an agreement in record time, doubtful they were all so torn up over what to do.

[s_bushido]

Never actually once entertaining the idea that maybe, just maybe, the jurors saw the facts of the case like we did and came to the same conclusion.

Well, the only reason Trump isn't currently in the White House is because of a plot to steal the election, so it makes sense that the only reason Chauvin was convicted is because of a plot to subvert justice.

[postman1782]

Funny seeing r/conservative, so desperate to believe they are on the right side of this, keep on peddling the notion that all the jurors were intimated by the protesters to vote guilty. Never actually once entertaining the idea that maybe, just maybe, the jurors saw the facts of the case like we did and came to the same conclusion. Not to mention the jurors reached an agreement in record time, doubtful they were all so torn up over what to do.

Considering how much they licked the boots of Trump, no matter all of the shit he did, this isn't surprising. He literally extorted Ukraine, and yet, they were still trying to blame Biden somehow.

[Rokom]

Funny seeing r/conservative, so desperate to believe they are on the right side of this, keep on peddling the notion that all the jurors were intimated by the protesters to vote guilty. Never actually once entertaining the idea that maybe, just maybe, the jurors saw the facts of the case like we did and came to the same conclusion. Not to mention the jurors reached an agreement in record time, doubtful they were all so torn up over what to do.

My belief is that most of the people that pedal the intimidation line didn't actually watch the trial (or are purposefully trying to spin it). I find it hard to believe that anyone could watch or read Dr. Tobin's testimony and come to the conclusion that Chauvin is innocent.

[Edge-]

My belief is that most of the people that pedal the intimidation line didn't actually watch the trial (or are purposefully trying to spin it). I find it hard to believe that anyone could watch or read Dr. Tobin's testimony and come to the conclusion that Chauvin is innocent.

They're very much the -

"He died of an OD"

or

"He had a heart attack"

or

"He should have just complied and he wouldn't be dead"

crowd. Thinking most of those fucks could sit down to watch/listen to a boring ass trial? Or read actual news coverage of it that didn't come from Breitbart or RedState? Naw, gotta protect the echo chamber.

[postman1782]

My belief is that most of the people that pedal the intimidation line didn't actually watch the trial (or are purposefully trying to spin it). I find it hard to believe that anyone could watch or read Dr. Tobin's testimony and come to the conclusion that Chauvin is innocent.

I still have people replying to me on places like Facebook posts and Youtube comments on videos saying he died of a drug overdose, no matter how many times I link them the coroner report and link them the testimony from Dr. Tobin.

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They're very much the -

"He died of an OD"

or

"He had a heart attack"

or

"He should have just complied and he wouldn't be dead"

crowd. Thinking most of those fucks could sit down to watch/listen to a boring ass trial? Or read actual news coverage of it that didn't come from Breitbart or RedState? Naw, gotta protect the echo chamber.

Or they watched that fucking retard Steven Crowder's "experiment" where the he was trying to recreate the murder, without actually recreating it.

[Edge-]

I still have people replying to me on places like Facebook posts and Youtube comments on videos saying he died of a drug overdose, no matter how many times I link them the coroner report and link them the testimony from Dr. Tobin.

Their world view and reality literally relies on it. If Chauvin was guilty, there may actually be issues around racism and bias within law enforcement. There might be issues around the use of force by police, especially proportional force in response to what was an extremely minor crime.

It's a house of cards propped up because if they pretend the gusts of wind don't exist, they can't blow the house down.

Or they watched that fucking retard Steven Crowder's "experiment" where the he was trying to recreate the murder, without actually recreating it.

Same crowd that orgasmed to all the "waterboarding isn't bad, watch this video of me getting waterboarded in a half-assed way in a controlled environment where I know there are literally no stakes!" videos in the mid-2000's.

Still waiting on Hannity's charity waterboarding. Think he'll auction off who gets to pour the water over his face while he's tied down?

[Very Tired]

"He had a heart attack"

I've seem them touting the same line for all the deaths on Jan 6. All those officers that were killed actually just happened to die of heart attacks at the very same moment and therefore, their assailants are absolved of any wrongdoing.

I honestly hope they are all just Russian bots.

[Felya]

I've seem them touting the same line for all the deaths on Jan 6. All those officers that were killed actually just happened to die of heart attacks at the very same moment and therefore, their assailants are absolved of any wrongdoing.

I honestly hope they are all just Russian bots.

To be fair, officer Sicknick did die of natural causes, although the stress likely contributed, according to the coroner report. No other officer died... oh and the woman that got trampled, actually ODed on meth...

[Edge-]

oh and the woman that got trampled, actually ODed on meth...

Man, I'm being real shitty but like...damn if that's not like, the most Trumpian thing I've read in a while.

Wish she got treatment for her addiction instead of an OD because apparently anyone around her was feeding her conspiracies rather than caring enough to try to get her into treatment.

[Endus]

I've seem them touting the same line for all the deaths on Jan 6. All those officers that were killed actually just happened to die of heart attacks at the very same moment and therefore, their assailants are absolved of any wrongdoing.

I honestly hope they are all just Russian bots.

A "heart attack" is what happens when blood flowing to the heart slows or stops.

If you want to be nitpicky, every death is the result of a "heart attack", at some level.

[PACOX]

Funny seeing r/conservative, so desperate to believe they are on the right side of this, keep on peddling the notion that all the jurors were intimated by the protesters to vote guilty. Never actually once entertaining the idea that maybe, just maybe, the jurors saw the facts of the case like we did and came to the same conclusion. Not to mention the jurors reached an agreement in record time, doubtful they were all so torn up over what to do.

I think r/centrist is actually worse. I expect r/conservative to be salty but you see people in r/centrist trying to to keep their masks on even though you can see right through it.

[Rokom]

A "heart attack" is what happens when blood flowing to the heart slows or stops.

If you want to be nitpicky, every death is the result of a "heart attack", at some level.

This is all just people confusing terms. Cardiac arrest = the heart stopping which is how most people die. An actual heart attack is also known as a myocardial infarction which involves something (like plaque build up) stopping the blood flow to the heart (not necessarily the heart itself stopping) and actual damage occurring to to the heart as it tries to pump blood that isn't there. No damage was found on George Floyd's heart so a heart attack was not his cause of death.