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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    De-escalation training seems to me to miss the mark. It's kind of like sexual harassment training at the office. The guys who need it aren't going to take it seriously, because they don't want to abide by those rules in the first place, because they want to engage in the conduct that's not tolerated. Whether it's Jimmy who likes playing grab-ass with the girls, or Billy who likes to smack around people of color when he can get away with it, they're not gonna get "fixed" by training.

    At best, they'll learn to hide their impulses better. Which just makes them a powder keg, rather than solving the actual problem. Which is that Jimmy and Billy are employed in their jobs, in the first place.



    The way it should work is that police should have higher standards of evidence required to justify their use of force; their training demonstrates that they have a greater capacity to control themselves and evaluate circumstances than the average person.

    That body camera footage should be that additional evidence required. So, if your shooting or use of force was justifed, the camera will back it up.

    Turning that camera off should be considered not just a lack of positive defense, but a demonstration of premeditation on whatever action the officer was about to engage in. Sure, turn it off when you go to the can or have lunch, but if anything comes up, even a random person coming up to talk to you, turn the fucking camera on.

    And sure; I know that CIs often need to be kept secret and off the cameras. That's fine. You take your risks, officer. If the risk isn't worth it, maybe you shouldn't be bothering your CI in the first place.

    No more presumption of innocence for police officers. You hit a guy, I expect your body camera to exculpate your use of force. It was off? You're heading to prison for assault and battery, you fuckdongle.

    In the rare case where the camera is damaged in a fight or otherwise fails, that's why officers should be working with a partner. Also, cameras on squad cars. A legit officer should be swimming in evidence that proves their use of force was valid.
    What worries me about the camera is that story I have shared multiple times, The one where the woman is brought into interrogation, ends up with a broken cheek and teeth after she was fighting back with the officers because she wanted to call her mother. They said she was drunk, she says she wasn't drunk but hysterical.

    In any case the officers turned off the camera and turned it back on when she was on the floor in a puddle of blood about her head. The argument the judge gave for why they couldn't do anything was that there wasn't enough evidence... which is bogus being that the reason there wasn't evidence was that they were in a locked police station and the officers shut off the cameras...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    De-escalation training seems to me to miss the mark. It's kind of like sexual harassment training at the office. The guys who need it aren't going to take it seriously, because they don't want to abide by those rules in the first place, because they want to engage in the conduct that's not tolerated. Whether it's Jimmy who likes playing grab-ass with the girls, or Billy who likes to smack around people of color when he can get away with it, they're not gonna get "fixed" by training.

    At best, they'll learn to hide their impulses better. Which just makes them a powder keg, rather than solving the actual problem. Which is that Jimmy and Billy are employed in their jobs, in the first place.
    They have to learn it somewhere, de-escalation is just a bit more complex than, "Don't pat your female colleague on the ass as she walks by" type deals (though I get where you are coming from). And for those it fails to sink in on, we now have documentation that they received the correct training should they flagrantly disregard it, allowing for them to more easily fire the officer with cause and press potential charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They have to learn it somewhere, de-escalation is just a bit more complex than, "Don't pat your female colleague on the ass as she walks by" type deals (though I get where you are coming from). And for those it fails to sink in on, we now have documentation that they received the correct training should they flagrantly disregard it, allowing for them to more easily fire the officer with cause and press potential charges.
    Given history I am pessimistic.

    For instance... the officer in Florida who was forging confessions who the DA gave the choice to move or face charges who moved and then "solved" every robbery.. magically the entire department learned a ring of unrelated black people were all responsible for every single robbery.

    Then we can look to the Taylor case where the DA just lied... also what the fuck is going on with that case? Is it just over? Nothing?

    having documentation doesn't mean much when the entire apparatus can simply just ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    having documentation doesn't mean much when the entire apparatus can simply just ignore it.
    Sure, but it's a step in that direction. Even if it's not bulletproof, it's better than what exists now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Sure, but it's a step in that direction. Even if it's not bulletproof, it's better than what exists now.
    My reaction to that is basically a *shrugg* I guess.

    Only because proper steps are nice but we'll have to see whether it means anything since we have decades of clear illegal activity being ignored. So making something illegal, doesn't necessarily matter when no one is there to charge them.

    There's also language in the bill that says the board can waive the training requirement if either the officer has an emergency situation or the course isn't available which... I don't love... why not language to ensure the course is always available?
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    Chauvin defense seeks to shift talk to Floyd drug use

    The day featured a back-and-forth over whether Floyd, who died last May after Chauvin knelt on top of him for almost nine minutes, said he “ain’t do no drugs” or “ate too many drugs” as he was pinned to the ground.

    The defense also zeroed in on the potential influence bystanders at the scene had on Chauvin during the arrest, as well as the defendant’s knee placement on Floyd while he was being detained.
    This is also known as "victim blaming". I've heard it before.

    In all honesty the last two I backed over with my car. Luckily they turned out to be drug dealers
    You don't get an after-the-fact free murder, just because it turns out he had a history of drug use. The history that matters is his history of saying "you're killing me" while you're killing him.

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    Ah, LAPD again. Call them about a white domestic abuser and they home in on the nearest black guy, then when the woman who called the cops says they have the wrong person, they arrest her too.

    https://abc7.com/lapd-bodycam-video-...dent/10495220/




    And in Fort Lauderdale, a guy called police about his car being vandalized and they beat the shit out of him. They claim they were skeered of the star trek phasers on his wall.

    [The cop] allegedly hit Raymond Purcell, who is 62 years old and disabled, with the butt of his gun, slammed him on the ground, pulled his arm so hard that it snapped and punched him in the face “with so much force that it knocked Raymond’s acrylic partial dentures out of his mouth,” the lawsuit states.

    [The other cop involved] has been with the force for four years and has been reviewed by the department’s internal affairs unit for use of force 79 times.

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    Disgusting. Crowder yet again proves he's a Deplorable Dog Whistling Racist.

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    I'm so glad YouTube decided to let him back on as if all his other videos weren't proof of how awful of a human being he is.

    This is like that one fuckass that did the "waterboarding challenge" in a controlled environment with his friends being gentle and said it was nothing.

    Speaking of which, does anyone know if Hannity has delivered on his promise to be waterboarded for charity yet?

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    I'm so glad YouTube decided to let him back on as if all his other videos weren't proof of how awful of a human being he is.

    This is like that one fuckass that did the "waterboarding challenge" in a controlled environment with his friends being gentle and said it was nothing.

    Speaking of which, does anyone know if Hannity has delivered on his promise to be waterboarded for charity yet?
    I seem to remember Christopher Hitchens volunteering to undergo actual waterboarding (I think because he didn't believe it was all it was cracked up to be) and he tapped out like instantly. Say what you want about Hitchens and his beliefs on the West's collective bullshittery in the Middle East, but at least he wasn't...this. I really do wish youtube would finally grant Crowder his wish and just nuke his channels, so that he can rake in the persecution bucks he clearly craves.

    If this fucker actually wanted to prove something he would have gotten real adults (and medical professionals) to oversee the """experiment""" and sit on his neck the way Chauvin actually did it. Not his friends who wanted to dick around for a few minutes making a youtube video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I'm so glad YouTube decided to let him back on as if all his other videos weren't proof of how awful of a human being he is.

    This is like that one fuckass that did the "waterboarding challenge" in a controlled environment with his friends being gentle and said it was nothing.

    Speaking of which, does anyone know if Hannity has delivered on his promise to be waterboarded for charity yet?
    He isn't back, technically, this is his shitty 2nd account Crowderbits, that posted that racist piece of shit video.

    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...d-189b867cc489

    Also, it looks like they are still trying to push the drugs killed him hard. Claiming they found pills with meth and fentanyl and Floyd's DNA supposedly on them, in DECEMBER of 2020. 8 fucking months after Floyd's murder.

    Who else here is going to call bullshit with me? Because they probably would have checked that cruiser with a fine tooth comb, when they seized it for evidence. And that STILL doesn't excuse the actual cause for his death, the knee to the neck, thanks to the autopsies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Disgusting. Crowder yet again proves he's a Deplorable Dog Whistling Racist.
    I mean, it also quite clearly shows he's not even kneeling on his neck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    I mean, it also quite clearly shows he's not even kneeling on his neck.
    Obviously, Floyd should have been playing the anthem on his phone. Write it down kids... kneeling on someone’s throat, is only a problem because of the woke... Kneeling during the anthem, now that’s murder.

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    And that STILL doesn't excuse the actual cause for his death, the knee to the neck, thanks to the autopsies.
    Because to recreate it, they needed to start the timer, when Coward starts screaming he can’t breath. They can make all the videos they want, not a single one will be about screaming you can’t breath and the cop ignoring it.

    Somehow I don’t think Floyd slowly laid down on the ground, got comfortable and then asked his buddies to gently squat over his neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Ah, LAPD again. Call them about a white domestic abuser and they home in on the nearest black guy, then when the woman who called the cops says they have the wrong person, they arrest her too.

    https://abc7.com/lapd-bodycam-video-...dent/10495220/




    And in Fort Lauderdale, a guy called police about his car being vandalized and they beat the shit out of him. They claim they were skeered of the star trek phasers on his wall.
    Internal affairs reviews for 79 instances of use of force... how are they still there working?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Obviously, Floyd should have been playing the anthem on his phone. Write it down kids... kneeling on someone’s throat, is only a problem because of the woke... Kneeling during the anthem, now that’s murder.

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    Because to recreate it, they needed to start the timer, when Coward starts screaming he can’t breath. They can make all the videos they want, not a single one will be about screaming you can’t breath and the cop ignoring it.

    Somehow I don’t think Floyd slowly laid down on the ground, got comfortable and then asked his buddies to gently squat over his neck.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/u...e-on-neck.html

    And we got shown this little tidbit from the trial, showing that Chauvin's shoes were LITERALLY OFF THE FUCKING GROUND. Meaning that all of his weight was literally on the knee on Floyd's neck. Their witness for the trial today, Dr. Martin Tobin, was pretty damning on the asphyxiation of Floyd. Even getting the jurors to follow him along with why he died from that knee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Internal affairs reviews for 79 instances of use of force... how are they still there working?
    Well obviously he is doing a great job and is a real go getter. Beating up 20 people a year, most likely vast majority if not all minorities, shows the kind of gumption that any American police force would be lucky to have.

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    Disgusting. Crowder yet again proves he's a Deplorable Dog Whistling Racist.

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    So with a small cursory google search and just these images alone I can tell Crowder is a racist piece of shit who probably gets his jollies off on minorities being killed by police. Even worse is that in the images of Crowder's video to "discredit the murder of George Floyd" you can clearly see the cop isn't even kneeling on his neck. His knee is in Crowder's shoulder blades or in the collar bone area not on the actual neck. So not only is the cop's weight clearly on his own feet versus the Chauvin clearly putting all his weight on Floyd's neck he isn't even on Crowder's neck. Of course police boot lickers and the like will eat this video up like any Peterson or what ever Youtuber they latch on to as proof that Floyd wasn't murdered.

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    The "best" part of Crowder's video was him easily moving his neck at the beginning, to make himself more comfortable. Gee, I wonder why Floyd didn't do that - such a simple thing would have kept him alive. Oh wait, maybe it's because the other guy was gently kneeling on his shoulders instead of crushing his neck.

    I mean, at least other youtube assholes simply lie through words, instead of creating a completely fake video "proof". Next time, Crowder should have asked someone who actually dislikes him to perform this "test" - I'm sure the results would be a lot more believable. After all, what's there to fear? As long as he doesn't take drugs beforehand, he should be completely fine.
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    Nothing really to add here except to say that Crowder is a cunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaPe View Post
    The "best" part of Crowder's video was him easily moving his neck at the beginning, to make himself more comfortable. Gee, I wonder why Floyd didn't do that - such a simple thing would have kept him alive. Oh wait, maybe it's because the other guy was gently kneeling on his shoulders instead of crushing his neck.

    I mean, at least other youtube assholes simply lie through words, instead of creating a completely fake video "proof". Next time, Crowder should have asked someone who actually dislikes him to perform this "test" - I'm sure the results would be a lot more believable. After all, what's there to fear? As long as he doesn't take drugs beforehand, he should be completely fine.
    He was complaining about being silenced by big tech just days ago... It’s amazing what being silenced looks like now a day.
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    I do have to say I'm kind of amazed at the number of LEOs testifying against Chauvin on this one. Usually any semblance of police brutality is met with a wall of silence from the rest of the force. I'm not so naive as to think they suddenly grew a conscience. I think this case is so public and so blatant it's hard for them to just completely sweep under the rug.

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