1. #18081
    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    We were colonized, not colonizers.
    Alexander the Great would like a word with you.

  2. #18082
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Alexander the Great would like a word with you.
    If we're going back that far then no one is a victim, no one at all.

  3. #18083
    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    If we're going back that far then no one is a victim, no one at all.
    True but the Greeks have a very, very long history and its filled with many great things and many bad things. Some of each can still be felt to this day.

  4. #18084
    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    If we're going back that far then no one is a victim, no one at all.
    I think they imagine themselves as the soul beings capable of evil.. at least that is what it seems. The strangest part is the west really comes off as one of the most noble and selfless civilizations in history....barring maybe the Japanese but that's arguing isolationism vs colonialism more then morality.

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    Looks like another riot in Minneapolis. Black suspect fleeing from a stolen vehicle was shot and looting started. Looks like wal mart is already looted but they are on the move jumping through live streams right now.

    Looks like the seasons started this year.

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    So far foot locker and little Caesars has fallen. Not many fires yet though will keep updates going till I turn in got some popcorn going.

  5. #18085
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I think they imagine themselves as the soul beings capable of evil.. at least that is what it seems. The strangest part is the west really comes off as one of the most noble and selfless civilizations in history....barring maybe the Japanese but that's arguing isolationism vs colonialism more then morality.

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    Looks like another riot in Minneapolis. Black suspect fleeing from a stolen vehicle was shot and looting started. Looks like wal mart is already looted but they are on the move jumping through live streams right now.

    Looks like the seasons started this year.

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    So far foot locker and little Caesars has fallen. Not many fires yet though will keep updates going till I turn in got some popcorn going.
    Again, because someone is fleeing, doesn't give you the fucking right to systematically murder someone. In fact, if someone was fleeing from your house that they just robbed, and you shot them, you would be charged with murder as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Again, because someone is fleeing, doesn't give you the fucking right to systematically murder someone. In fact, if someone was fleeing from your house that they just robbed, and you shot them, you would be charged with murder as well.
    Unless the Da doesn’t care and just lets the crime go. Which makes me question...

    What is the next step in the Breonna Taylor case... the da lied... is it just over?
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    Black people in america should be happy their ancestors where slaves so they could have a good live.
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    Black women are racist. Im the one trying to make her[my wife] behave like white people and not say it out loud.
    Totally not racist

  7. #18087
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Again, because someone is fleeing, doesn't give you the fucking right to systematically murder someone. In fact, if someone was fleeing from your house that they just robbed, and you shot them, you would be charged with murder as well.
    Was shot while fleeing in a vehicle but I'm not disagreeing just enjoying a beer watching my favorite seasonal reality show. Kinda kicking it off with a bang police scanner reported a cop being ran over with a mini van. Serious condition.

  8. #18088
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Unless the Da doesn’t care and just lets the crime go. Which makes me question...

    What is the next step in the Breonna Taylor case... the da lied... is it just over?
    At this rate, since the Kentucky AG is Republican, pretty much it is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Was shot while fleeing in a vehicle but I'm not disagreeing just enjoying a beer watching my favorite seasonal reality show. Kinda kicking it off with a bang police scanner reported a cop being ran over with a mini van. Serious condition.
    Again, unless he was using that car as a weapon attempting to run over someone, be it pedestrian or cop, you still can't systemically murder someone.

  9. #18089
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    At this rate, since the Kentucky AG is Republican, pretty much it is over.

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    Again, unless he was using that car as a weapon attempting to run over someone, be it pedestrian or cop, you still can't systemically murder someone.
    No videos leaked yet so can't say. I agree with you unless he posed a danger to someone else. I'm simply enjoy the riot and watching local businesses pay for their sins.

  10. #18090
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    Because we're talking about Westerners here. It's *always* a matter of time until you start forcing your beliefs on others. Yesterday it was Protestantism and colonialism, or using murder and coups to put in pro-Western governments. It's always just a matter of time until you people start forcing what you think onto others.
    Weird that you are condemning this while celebrating national "heroes" that did just that.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  11. #18091
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    You are literally making a "What about all the good things Hitler did" argument.
    I'm emphatically NOT, which I would have thought would be obvious from my specific exclusions of the likes of Columbus and Confederates. My argument is more whether we should let one evil deed overshadow all the good someone has done, such that we cannot celebrate a man who has done any wrong? George Washington's contributions go without saying, yet because he owned slaves many would say his accomplishments are irrelevant in light of that fact. Ephraim McDowell pioneered many modern surgical techniques, and is known as "the father of ovariotomy" for being the first person to successfully remove an ovarian tumor, but at least one person here has emphatically argued that he should be castigated and compared to Josef Mengele because he operated on slaves, who were incapable of consenting to his then-untested surgeries that saved their lives. The San Francisco school board voted to strip Abraham Lincoln and Dianne Feinstein's names from the schools that bore them; the former because he didn't commute the sentences of EVERY Native American prisoner after the Dakota Uprising (only 80% of them), the latter because as mayor she once ordered that a Confederate flag that had been torn down from a government installation be put back up (despite later replacing it with a Union flag after consulting city officials).

    It's an argument about balance and perspective. There is no valid perspective in which Hitler wasn't an evil fuckstain. There is no valid perspective in which Christopher Columbus didn't ravage the land and its people for personal profit to a degree that was considered heinous even in his day. But there are valid perspectives that George Washington was a key figure in the founding of the United States and a great statesman, that Ephraim McDowell's surgical techniques saved countless lives, that Abraham Lincoln's efforts in the Civil War saw the end of slavery. Don't ignore the wrongs they committed, but at the same time don't use them to ignore the good they did and call it "justice." It is better and more honest to say, "George Washington did great things for our country, but he also owned slaves" than to say "George Washington owned slaves, the rest is irrelevant."

    Now, since this seems to be wildly off-topic for the thread, let me steer us back on topic with this fun little gem that came out of Boston a couple days ago:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/bost...olester-2021-4

    Back in 1995, a 12-year-old boy accused a police officer of sexually abusing him. He was pressured into recanting his accusation, and the investigation was dropped the following year. The officer not only continued but escalated his abuse, continued working as a police officer for another 20 years, and even served as head of the local police union a few years ago. This officer was arrested in August after sexually abusing a young girl... Who was the daughter of the boy he molested 25 years ago.

  12. #18092
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I think they imagine themselves as the soul beings capable of evil.. at least that is what it seems. The strangest part is the west really comes off as one of the most noble and selfless civilizations in history....barring maybe the Japanese but that's arguing isolationism vs colonialism more then morality.

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    Looks like another riot in Minneapolis. Black suspect fleeing from a stolen vehicle was shot and looting started. Looks like wal mart is already looted but they are on the move jumping through live streams right now.

    Looks like the seasons started this year.

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    So far foot locker and little Caesars has fallen. Not many fires yet though will keep updates going till I turn in got some popcorn going.
    Car wasn't stolen, it was his mother's car. The mother on the phone with him said he was told he was pulled over for having air fresheners hanging from the rearview mirror, a favorite excuse of fucking bullshit cops. When they don't smell the weed to force you out of the car, they ask you to get out because they can't force you out. If you don't comply, then they think they have probable cause, even though they had no authority to ask you to leave the car.

    But he did leave the car anyways. And they still shot him. They said he had a warrant out for his arrest, and then tried to evade police when they tried to arrest him. We'll see, I guess. If it's a non-violent warrant and he runs, you're supposed to let him go and pick him up later. Instead, this kid got in his car, and started to drive away, and the cop drew down and shot him, WITH A PASSENGER IN THE CAR, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOCAL KIDS PLAYING AROUND THEM.

    But I'll wait for the resident racists to say "this man should have just followed the [illegitimate, unreasonable] orders of the police officers and then he wouldn't have been shot!" Or, my personal favorite, "He could have been reaching for a gun in his car!" despite there being no evidence of a gun. Apparently having the vapors and a paranoia about black people being violent is justification for murder.

  13. #18093
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/po...?siteid=yhoof2
    Waiting for the bodycam footage before I make up my mind. It looks like the department does have them and they also stated that they think the dashcams on the car were active. A site is also reporting that an officer was also taken to a hospital.

  14. #18094
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    our British friends can look forward to their statues being torn down
    As one of your "British friends," I could not give less of a fuck about old statues. They serve no purpose for the vast, vast majority of people. Put all those things in a museum where they belong.

  15. #18095

    RIP!!
    Go fuck yourselves to the cops that killed him!!!! Rot in prison, wankers.

    I hate the racism in this country I swear.
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

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    I am curious what the warrant was for (not that it justifies what happened), But it's still stupid to shoot into a car when there is another passenger. They said all body cameras and dash cameras were on and active. We'll see what happens from this one.

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    When the police are just gangsters with uniforms.

  18. #18098
    Meanwhile one of the cops in VA got fired after video of him pepper spraying a soldier went viral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Meanwhile one of the cops in VA got fired after video of him pepper spraying a soldier went viral.
    Looks like stuff is getting done somewhere, how do I get that here?

  20. #18100
    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    Looks like stuff is getting done somewhere, how do I get that here?
    Release clear evidence of wrong doing by the police 4 months after the incident happened. After enough backlash they'll get off their asses and respond to evidence they've had for 4 months.

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