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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Agreed - 100%. And yet the officer probably won't even get fired.

    (shit - having a problem that it's a "she" - don't ask me why, no good reason)
    Virginia has a police bill of rights, so the officer has extensive protections from administrative punishment.

  2. #18122
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Again, how do cops keep mistaking their taser for a handgun? The two look and feel very differently, have different weights, and are usually strapped in different locations so that they can't easily mistake one for the other (gun on belt, taser strapped to their leg often times).

    Manslaughter should be the minimum, because this is the kind of gross incompetence and "accident" that literally does kill people.

    Having just watched the video, it's clear that she pulled her sidearm (glock?) and had it point blank pointed at the driver as he was in the car, while her fellow officer was literally right there as well in the way. This is gross negligence and incompetence on her part and she not only deserves to serve time for it, but never work in law enforcement again.
    I completely agree. I do see it happening by mistake with adrenaline going through you, but it is just another reason I think our cops need far more training. I would like it being closer to Norway and Finland that require 3 years of training.

    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Un-fucking believable. Shocking the execution was an "accident". Doubly shocking these "accidents" don't happen to white people who are pulled over.
    Just a quick google search while not being a traffic stop you have https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/u...taser-gun.html. The person was white and the cop still got no charges.

  3. #18123
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Already seen people excusing it because, "He had a warrant and was fleeing, he could have been going to kill people!"

    Ignoring that his warrants were for misdemeanor carrying an unlicensed pistol (gonna get the 2nd Amendment types in a bit of a bind, probably) and fleeing police. No violence or any indication that he was a threat to others.

    Oh yeah, and there was a passenger in the car that I don't think has been identified. She apparently suffered only minor injuries, but she could have been seriously hurt or killed by this trigger happy cop.

    We need less cops raised and trained on 80's action movies that thinks the proper response to a suspect fleeing a traffic stop is to just start blastin.
    The whole system needs to be rewritten from top to bottom, with decent pay, high standards, and high levels of ongoing training. It should be a serious profession like being a nurse or a doctor is.

    It currently seems as if they pick a random body off the street, train them for a couple of weeks max, then give them a gun and a badge and let them loose. When they have to make life or death decisions on a daily basis that is asking for trouble.

    Look at how other countries do it, take the best idea's from them, and use those as a model for reform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    I completely agree. I do see it happening by mistake with adrenaline going through you, but it is just another reason I think our cops need far more training. I would like it being closer to Norway and Finland that require 3 years of training.
    Training would help, of course - but our law enforcement officers, especially "police officers" need a complete reworking from the ground up. While horribly named, the "defund" movement has the right idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    Just a quick google search while not being a traffic stop you have https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/u...taser-gun.html. The person was white and the cop still got no charges.
    Good example, although it's behind a paywall and is two years-ish old. Anything more recent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    The whole system needs to be rewritten from top to bottom, with decent pay, high standards, and high levels of ongoing training. It should be a serious profession like being a nurse or a doctor is.

    It currently seems as if they pick a random body off the street, train them for a couple of weeks max, then give them a gun and a badge and let them loose. When they have to make life or death decisions on a daily basis that is asking for trouble.

    Look at how other countries do it, take the best idea's from them, and use those as a model for reform.
    It usually takes six months of academy training to become an officer, just fyi - although I agree with you, it's not nearly enough. And the entire mentality needs to be rewritten as well. Much more social service training. Mental health as well.

    Plus - our jails/prisons need to be burned to the ground and rebuilt, with an entire new purpose. But that's another issue, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Virginia has a police bill of rights, so the officer has extensive protections from administrative punishment.
    Minnesota, not Virginia, but it's still still applicable. It'll be a while before there's any formal administrative action unless she doesn't fight it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Good example, although it's behind a paywall and is two years-ish old. Anything more recent?
    It should open fine if you open it in incognito with google chrome, and I will try and find something, getting hundreds of hits with this newest shooting with google so I will try bing and duckduckgo real quick.

    Video from the article.
    Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3hw1qM-T4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokom View Post
    Minnesota, not Virginia, but it's still still applicable. It'll be a while before there's any formal administrative action unless she doesn't fight it at all.
    Oh damnit...right, I'm getting this confused with the incident in Virginia where the guy thankfully wasn't killed...just maced in the face and assaulted by cops who threatened his safety because he didn't have a license plate an the cops apparently are blind and couldn't see his temporary tags after pulling him over in a well lit gas station.

    It's getting difficult to tell these dangerously incompetent fucks apart again, must be getting back to normal : /

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    So in regards to @cubby asking if I could find anything more recent than 2019, and I couldn't. I did find this article from 2015 https://www.nhregister.com/connectic...s-11354423.php
    In regards to how common it is for police to mistake the gun and taser.
    Experts agree this is a real but very rare occurrence that probably happens less than once a year nationwide. A 2012 article published in the monthly law journal of Americans for Effective Law Enforcement documented nine cases in which officers shot suspects with handguns when they said they meant to fire stun guns dating back to 2001. The list included three instances in California and one each in Minnesota, Maryland, Arizona, Washington, Kentucky and Canada. For perspective, Taser International says its stun guns have been deployed more than 2.7 million times in the field.

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    Considering tasers are usually holstered on the other side of ones belt in a cross draw position (or in the center of the chest),



    it's wild that she would hold the gun up, point it at the kid, and fire without realizing it wasn't the taser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    So in regards to @cubby asking if I could find anything more recent than 2019, and I couldn't. I did find this article from 2015 https://www.nhregister.com/connectic...s-11354423.php
    In regards to how common it is for police to mistake the gun and taser.
    Experts agree this is a real but very rare occurrence that probably happens less than once a year nationwide. A 2012 article published in the monthly law journal of Americans for Effective Law Enforcement documented nine cases in which officers shot suspects with handguns when they said they meant to fire stun guns dating back to 2001. The list included three instances in California and one each in Minnesota, Maryland, Arizona, Washington, Kentucky and Canada. For perspective, Taser International says its stun guns have been deployed more than 2.7 million times in the field.
    I appreciate you looking into - and it's interesting that there aren't more examples of the misidentified weapon being drawn. Including this incident from yesterday, I thought I recalled at least three times where an officer pulled their taser instead of their weapon and fired it. This would be involving non-white suspects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    it's wild that she would hold the gun up, point it at the kid, and fire without realizing it wasn't the taser.
    And the thing is when you watch the footage, it's a solid 5 seconds+ of what is CLEARLY a gun in her hand. I get it, things are moving fast and adrenaline is pumping but this was an avoidable mistake if she'd looked forward and noticed the distinct lack of BRIGHT YELLOW (or other bright color, tasers are usually VERY obvious) in her hand.

    I feel like they need to do blindfolded tests with these bloody cops. "Are you holding a gun, or a taser?" if you fail, you lose your service weapon and are stuck on desk duty pending re-training and the ability to pass the test. Maybe the grip feels the same so like, add a different grip that feels distinctly different? I dunno, this shouldn't be something cops routinely confuse.

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    The two incidents circulating illustrate any situation when dealing with the police is stressful for black people. When any given officer approaches you thinking the worst while others already walk around with ill intentions you for your all. Every move could be the 'wrong one' for no particular logical reason. Every world even if you do exactly as youre told. An entire institution that will throw your life away even in a clear case of murder because cops aren't supposed to cross the 'blue line'. "Well he should have moved faster", 'he should have kept his hands on the wheel" "he shouldn't look so intimidating" "I was scared" "he looked suspicious" "I didn't mean to actually shoot" "the bullets didn't actually kill him, it was xyz".

    You know the system doesn't value your life so many can only see the life or death situation. Doesn't might if you're guilty or innocent of something, all that's ticking in your mind is your fight or flight response. "If this officer beats or kills me at least I tried to get away". Or "I'm not moving no matter what they say because it's their words vs my actions and my actions lose."

    The 'good' cops aren't trained deal with bad officers, they are told to fall in line, or they just as fearful to speak up.

    Defund the police was too harsh. They said the protests were too disruptive, even the defense authorities in the Floyd case valid theres a problem, that a unfavorable verdict will lead to a reaction. And yet we are right to where we were a year a ago. Almost to the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And the thing is when you watch the footage, it's a solid 5 seconds+ of what is CLEARLY a gun in her hand. I get it, things are moving fast and adrenaline is pumping but this was an avoidable mistake if she'd looked forward and noticed the distinct lack of BRIGHT YELLOW (or other bright color, tasers are usually VERY obvious) in her hand.

    I feel like they need to do blindfolded tests with these bloody cops. "Are you holding a gun, or a taser?" if you fail, you lose your service weapon and are stuck on desk duty pending re-training and the ability to pass the test. Maybe the grip feels the same so like, add a different grip that feels distinctly different? I dunno, this shouldn't be something cops routinely confuse.
    There's a very clear difference between holding a taser and a firearm. We're talking extreme levels of incompetence in a field where incompetence is a death sentence. I don't think anyone would look at the video and argue that she meant to kill the kid, but this is a clear example of how the rush to pull weapons on people, even if they're trying to flee, should be frowned upon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    There's a very clear difference between holding a taser and a firearm. We're talking extreme levels of incompetence in a field where incompetence is a death sentence. I don't think anyone would look at the video and argue that she meant to kill the kid, but this is a clear example of how the rush to pull weapons on people, even if they're trying to flee, should be frowned upon.
    Yep. And if the vehicle was running and in gear as she tazed him, there's no telling what could have happened. Would his foot have convulsed and hit the gas hard, endangering him and his passenger (and the officers around the car)? Like, that just seems like a really bad idea and not worth it over a couple of misdemeanor warrants.

    No argument that it seems unintentional/accidental, but that's not really a legal defense in this or pretty much any other case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Defund the police was too harsh. They said the protests were too disruptive, even the defense authorities in the Floyd case valid theres a problem, that a unfavorable verdict will lead to a reaction. And yet we are right to where we were a year a ago. Almost to the day.
    The Virginia incident galls me even more, even if it didn't end with a loss of life (thankfully). Because that wasn't just accidental incompetence, that was an officer in full control of a situation specifically escalating it to the point where he issued a threat against the drivers safety while pointing a gun at him, literal textbook assault, beyond the officers failure to notice the temporary plate in the window at a well lit gas station.

    The result of what happened with Wright is far worse, but the context around the two makes the Virginia case with Nazario is so beyond repugnant. His partner needs to go too.

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    Female cop & a resistant male. Classic situation that never goes well.

    As a great comedian once said, "If you ever catch the eye of a female cop... hope you wore your bulletproof vest."
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    Joe who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    Female cop & a resistant male. Classic situation that never goes well.

    As a great comedian once said, "If you ever catch the eye of a female cop... hope you wore your bulletproof vest."
    Sweet, just add some super casual sexism in here.

    Nice.

    Not really, but like...


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    Reality is sexist. Female cops do a worse job than male cops. New examples daily.
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    Joe who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    Reality is sexist. Female cops do a worse job than male cops. New examples daily.
    Citation needed*

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    Reality is sexist. Female cops do a worse job than male cops. New examples daily.
    Go on?

    Got some information or source other than your brown eye for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Go on?

    Got some information or source other than your brown eye for that?
    Geez, i'm talking to kindergarteners here. Men and women are physically different. Being a cop sometimes means you need to physically restrain a person. Naturally, men are better at this.
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    Joe who?

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