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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    As soon as I slip her girly grip i'd get tackled by a nearby male cop who's there to back her up and handle situations for real.
    I find it sad that their are people who truly believe stuff like this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I've never, ever been in a car that didn't have an air freshener in it. Never have drugs been the reason for it being there.

    Is this a US-specific thing? They're like the most common thing to have in a car over here lol Who doesn't want their vehicle to smell nice?
    They're not uncommon. Especially among people who spend a lot of time in their vehicles or have physical jobs where they sweat a lot and then have to go somewhere (truck drivers, construction, etc). But like I said, the justifications for stopping people in the U.S. have been long regarded as waaaaaaaaaay overly broad because we, in the legal sense, put a lot of value on the judgment of cops (when we obviously shouldn't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It usually takes six months of academy training to become an officer
    Time to increase that time. 6 months clearly isn't cutting it.

    That said, it's probably also a good idea to review the training they actually go through. If the training itself is garbage, no length of time spent training will matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinstorm View Post
    I find it sad that their are people who truly believe stuff like this...
    lol

    -snip- don't post graphic videos directly in the thread.
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    Joe who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    They're not uncommon. Especially among people who spend a lot of time in their vehicles or have physical jobs where they sweat a lot and then have to go somewhere (truck drivers, construction, etc). But like I said, the justifications for stopping people in the U.S. have been long regarded as waaaaaaaaaay overly broad because we, in the legal sense, put a lot of value on the judgment of cops (when we obviously shouldn't).
    So, it's purely just a judgement call on behalf of the officer in question? Literally just "oh, air freshener. You know what that means!"?

    Seems like a very clear issue in how that officer operates. Learned behaviour? Or just biases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    lol
    Yo, where your data at, bro? I can link you probably a half dozen male cops failing at their jobs miserably for every link of a female cop failing at her job miserably.

    Almost like the issue isn't gender, as much as you may want to justify your apparently misogynistic view of women as less than men, and more that too many cops in the US just fuckin suck ass at their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    Reality is sexist. Female cops do a worse job than male cops. New examples daily.
    This is just a variant on the law of the instrument: "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."

    Except in this situation, it's more like "When you view every problem as a nail, then the only tool you think you need is a hammer."

    What you're demonstrating here is cognitive bias, and it's just plain wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Time to increase that time. 6 months clearly isn't cutting it.

    That said, it's probably also a good idea to review the training they actually go through. If the training itself is garbage, no length of time spent training will matter.
    @cubby
    https://www.insider.com/some-police-...lumbing-2020-6

    It is worse than that. Some police academies only require as little as 672 hours of training to become a cop. Which is 28 days. Becoming a fucking barber takes 1300 hours to get certified to even cut fucking hair. It takes 5 years of "apprenticeship" and going to trade school to get a license to be a fucking plumber.

    2 States, Alaska and Minnesota and DC, require 1000 hours to become a cop, but then you have Tennessee, South Carolina and Nevada, it only takes 480 hours to become a cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    lol

    -snip- don't post graphic videos directly in the thread.
    Ok... looking at the title of the video... I'm guessing this is a female cop who tries to take someone into custody and she is overpowered/makes a mistake and accidentally shoots an innocent bystander as a result.... and your blaming her gender for how this played out.

    ................Ok maybe I'm just a big idiot... Can someone enlighten me on how 1 case of a female cop failing to arrest someone properly means all women cops are terrible and should never be cops? Do Men cops never fail and there are never any videos similar to this one where it is a man?

    Edit: Just finished the video... yep I was right this showcased a Female cop Failing to take down a male suspect, Shooting suspect mother by mistake in the struggle and the situation only managed to regain control once another (male) cop showed up (and from the look of it the 2nd cop seems more experienced). My questions still stand and I would love the answers to them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    So, it's purely just a judgement call on behalf of the officer in question? Literally just "oh, air freshener. You know what that means!"?

    Seems like a very clear issue in how that officer operates. Learned behaviour? Or just biases?
    Well, yes. There's something called "good faith" (in the legal lexicon) which all cops (being instruments of the law and the justice system) are assumed to have. If you, in good faith, believe something may be related to the commission of a crime, everything from that good faith belief is justifiable. Even if you're absolutely and utterly wrong, and end up shooting a completely innocent person, as long as you believed in what you were doing.

    Of course, it's near impossible to prove the bad faith mentality of cops, and bias has never been considered bad faith. And good faith practices are constantly expanded on by criminal court judges, who all tend to be former prosecutors, IE people who worked hand in hand with the cops in their legal careers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I've never, ever been in a car that didn't have an air freshener in it. Never have drugs been the reason for it being there.

    Is this a US-specific thing? They're like the most common thing to have in a car over here lol Who doesn't want their vehicle to smell nice?
    Notice he mentioned the over policing of black people. There's no reason to call a air freshener suspicious unless you are suspicious until you are a cop fishing for excuses to pin something on someone. Just to issue a citation because it's profitable.

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    As has been repeatedly quoted in the Chauvin trial, third-degree murder in Minnesota is:
    "Whoever, without intent…causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life…"
    Seems appropriate for this one as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    lol

    /snip [stupid fucking video that misses the ENTIRE point of the conversation]
    You don't have to keep posting to confirm that you'll never understand. You've already established you don't know what you're talking about. We got it.

    Being male or female has nothing to do with the quality of job performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinstorm View Post
    Ok... looking at the title of the video... I'm guessing this is a female cop who tries to take someone into custody and she is overpowered/makes a mistake and accidentally shoots an innocent bystander as a result.... and your blaming her gender for how this played out.

    ................Ok maybe I'm just a big idiot... Can someone enlighten me on how 1 case of a female cop failing to arrest someone properly means all women cops are terrible and should never be cops? Do Men cops never fail and there are never any videos similar to this one where it is a man?
    Avg man is bigger than the avg woman. That matters a lot when it comes to takedowns. You don't want to risk lives for the sake of equality. The fact that professional fighters are still separated into weight classes should set you on the path to enlightenment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Joe who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    @cubby
    https://www.insider.com/some-police-...lumbing-2020-6

    It is worse than that. Some police academies only require as little as 672 hours of training to become a cop. Which is 28 days. Becoming a fucking barber takes 1300 hours to get certified to even cut fucking hair. It takes 5 years of "apprenticeship" and going to trade school to get a license to be a fucking plumber.

    2 States, Alaska and Minnesota and DC, require 1000 hours to become a cop, but then you have Tennessee, South Carolina and Nevada, it only takes 480 hours to become a cop.
    It's taking me longer to get fully vaccinated with a 2nd shot for COVID than it is taking some folks to become members of the police force.... Wtf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    Avg man is bigger than the avg woman. That matters a lot when it comes to takedowns. You don't want to risk lives for the sake of equality. The fact that professional fighters are still separated into weight classes should set you on the path to enlightenment.
    Man, this is just bringing out all the greatest hits of, "I'm not a sexist...BUT..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    @cubby
    https://www.insider.com/some-police-...lumbing-2020-6

    It is worse than that. Some police academies only require as little as 672 hours of training to become a cop. Which is 28 days. Becoming a fucking barber takes 1300 hours to get certified to even cut fucking hair. It takes 5 years of "apprenticeship" and going to trade school to get a license to be a fucking plumber.

    2 States, Alaska and Minnesota and DC, require 1000 hours to become a cop, but then you have Tennessee, South Carolina and Nevada, it only takes 480 hours to become a cop.
    That's just fucking unbelievable. 60 working days to have the legally protected right to murder someone.

    (I really with Defund Police had had a better name - not that that's the reason the movement is wanning)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    As has been repeatedly quoted in the Chauvin trial, third-degree murder in Minnesota is:

    Seems appropriate for this one as well.
    Wrong. He INTENTIONALLY knelt on his neck, without checking for a pulse, for 3 fucking minutes after he died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Well, yes. There's something called "good faith" (in the legal lexicon) which all cops (being instruments of the law and the justice system) are assumed to have. If you, in good faith, believe something may be related to the commission of a crime, everything from that good faith belief is justifiable. Even if you're absolutely and utterly wrong, and end up shooting a completely innocent person, as long as you believed in what you were doing.

    Of course, it's near impossible to prove the bad faith mentality of cops, and bias has never been considered bad faith. And good faith practices are constantly expanded on by criminal court judges, who all tend to be former prosecutors, IE people who worked hand in hand with the cops in their legal careers.
    I cannot imagine having to be a lawyer in cases like this, being on the other side of the defence when they clearly have things a lot easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    That's just fucking unbelievable. 60 working days to have the legally protected right to murder someone.

    (I really with Defund Police had had a better name - not that that's the reason the movement is wanning)
    Yep, I think they should have to go through everything for at least a year of training and require deep background checks, so that they don't get some of the white supremacist problem they have like the military seems to have lately.

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