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    Quote Originally Posted by Frandistal View Post
    It was a simple point, idiot, if you don't like what Biden does you shouldn't vote for him.
    You see, If I didn't like everything that someone pushes, there would literally be NO ELECTED officials. I wanted Bernie Sanders, but since he didn't win the nomination, it doesn't mean I am going to stamp my feet and act like a spoiled Trump supporter that didn't get his way and start a fucking insurrection. No, I will work with Biden and look to see how he is doing things and work to push him to do stuff further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frandistal View Post
    I'm just calling on you on your endless fucking bullshit. Day after day you whine about a president you voted for. It gets tiresome.

    You knew who that guy was. He's a serial sociopathic liar, plagiarist, hung out with some horrible white supremacists, cheerled for some of the worst atrocities in American history. Maybe he's better than Trump but he's a vile fucking human being and you gave him a lot of power. Not to mention the other scumbags in the corporate wing of the democrat party who are mostly worse.

    You have no absolutely NO grounds to complain about anything.
    United States presidents aren't kings. They have very little power over how the states and local governments fund, train, and handle their policing. In other words, shutchoassup.
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  3. #18183
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Cool, sounds a lot like what kids have done since like, forever. Ride in residential streets and be kids. Officer in the white shirt pretty much does the right thing, gives them a warning and fucks off.

    Then things go downhill from there as another officer decides that she wants to confiscate their bikes and contradict what the other officer just told them. And then arrests a kid for calling out the bullshit she's spewing.

    Are kids like this annoying on the road? Sure, I've run into tons of asshole bikers, kids or not. But like, share the road and understand that kids will be kids. It ain't super hard and it's a minor inconvenience while giving the kids something to do that keeps them out of actual trouble.

    This kind of shit, confiscating bikes for riding them on the sidewalk or street in residential neighborhoods, is horse shit. And it's this exact kind of criminalization of play that leads to, "Oh where did these kids go wrong and how did they end up involved in gangs/criminal behavior!" because they weren't allowed to be fuckin kids, and were at times actively punished for being fuckin kids.

    That's not how you build a relationship with communities as police, which they should be doing to promote public safety and ensure that they can be trusted by the people they are supposedly working for. White shirt cop was doing the right thing (even if the police response was a bit extra). The other officer and everything that happened after that, weren't.
    Did you even bother to watch the segment of the video he pointed to? Playing chicken with oncoming traffic isn't just "kids being kids" and has a good chance of causing serious injury or death, and that's not a residential area.

  4. #18184
    Quote Originally Posted by luc54 View Post
    As much I don't like US cops. I think you should watch the video before actually judging they situation.

    Just look at 5:20 in. They are riding bikes in reckless manner at wrong side of the road while doing wheelies. I think it's appropriate to do some response in these cases as they only endager themselves but other road users. I have seen enough of these wheelie assholes on public roads and they really need to stop it. If you want to go do wheelies do it on some empty parking lot and not on actual publics roads.

    Now wheter it's actually worth arrest in this case it's probably not the case, but confiscating bike for awhile if you aren't riding them properly seems reasonable enough.
    Wheelies? Is there a law against wheelies? Oh no a bunch of kids riding bikes what a horror... Did you read the story? There are parks in several areas that make riding bikes illegal, and we don't even have proper bike lanes in most of the state. Instead of punishing kids for riding their bikes maybe the solution is to make areas bikable?

    And confiscating bikes for not having a licence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Did you even bother to watch the segment of the video he pointed to? Playing chicken with oncoming traffic isn't just "kids being kids" and has a good chance of causing serious injury or death, and that's not a residential area.
    It looks like a residential neighbourhood.

    Where are you from that this isn't residential?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Playing chicken with oncoming traffic isn't just "kids being kids" and has a good chance of causing serious injury or death, and that's not a residential area.
    Every one of those areas I saw were residential, or on the edge of residential. Like, nothing where the speed limit is anywhere above 35mph usually.

    Also, where was the "chicken"? I mean, they rode around some cars, and made some dangerous maneuvers while trying to get away from the police who were following them. You got a timestamp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    You got a timestamp?
    5:20... it starts when one car move towards the side walk, to avoid the bike coming head on... there was no one in right a way... the cop they saw on the next block, right before the sponge Bob meme, likely saw some of it... I think he could see the car swerved... the cop even said, it’s better for their mom to come and get the bike, then after they get hit by a car...

    Edit: This was not about public safety, but their safety. None of the cops said anything about keeping the neighborhood safe or damage to cars. The entire thing was about the safety of the kids.

    Edit 2: I think it would have turned out different, if everyone calmed down and the kid with the dash cam, could show that they were not the group that were told to stop before. Although, running away from cops wouldn’t help... they could at least prove that they behaved on the first warning.

    Edit 3: Just to reiterate, their punishment was calling their mom.
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  7. #18187
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Every one of those areas I saw were residential, or on the edge of residential. Like, nothing where the speed limit is anywhere above 35mph usually.

    Also, where was the "chicken"? I mean, they rode around some cars, and made some dangerous maneuvers while trying to get away from the police who were following them. You got a timestamp?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Every one of those areas I saw were residential, or on the edge of residential. Like, nothing where the speed limit is anywhere above 35mph usually.

    Also, where was the "chicken"? I mean, they rode around some cars, and made some dangerous maneuvers while trying to get away from the police who were following them. You got a timestamp?
    Starting at 5:20 Grey hoodie swerves into cars multiple times before veering away within a couple feet of collision. During this same time multiple riders are riding between oncoming traffic and parked cars in the wrong direction. Kid was a millisecond misjudgment from cosplaying as a hood ornament, or worse spooking a driver into swerving away into a parked car or one of the little shits threading between parked cars and oncoming traffic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    It looks like a residential neighbourhood.

    Where are you from that this isn't residential?
    The segment pointed to was a commercial district. They fled into a residential area. Bikes riding in the street have to follow the same traffic laws as anyone else, if someone driving a motorcycle or car was swerving into oncoming traffic for shits and giggles they would be arrested. Doubly so for any motorcycle rider that thought they would drive down the shoulder on the wrong side of the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Starting at 5:20 Grey hoodie swerves into cars multiple times before veering away within a couple feet of collision. During this same time multiple riders are riding between oncoming traffic and parked cars in the wrong direction. Kid was a millisecond misjudgment from cosplaying as a hood ornament, or worse spooking a driver into swerving away into a parked car or one of the little shits threading between parked cars and oncoming traffic.



    The segment pointed to was a commercial district. They fled into a residential area. Bikes riding in the street have to follow the same traffic laws as anyone else, if someone driving a motorcycle or car was swerving into oncoming traffic for shits and giggles they would be arrested. Doubly so for any motorcycle rider that thought they would drive down the shoulder on the wrong side of the street.
    Yet even following traffic laws isn't good for bikers because nowhere in America is really set up for biking since this country has an obsession with expanding widthwise.

    This whole area is also quite residential... perhaps to someone who has never grown up in a city it isn't.

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    This seems to be after they were trying to get away from the cops... before then it doesn't seem their biking was all that dangerous with the exception being the few on the left side of the screen going between cars just before the whole thing with the police starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    This seems to be after they were trying to get away from the cops... before then it doesn't seem their biking was all that dangerous with the exception being the few on the left side of the screen going between cars just before the whole thing with the police starts.
    None of the three photos I linked were after the police tried stopping them. The three photo's I posted were between 5:20 and 6:00, the cops interaction is closer to the 9 min mark.

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    Naturally, the solution to dangerous riding conditions for bicyclists in the United States is to....ride even more dangerously??

    Kids will be kids, but seriously what the fuck is a bike license? Is that actually a thing?
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    And here we fucking go again. "I thought the phone he was talking on was a gun!"

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/video-sp...man-in-roadway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    And here we fucking go again. "I thought the phone he was talking on was a gun!"

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/video-sp...man-in-roadway
    I wonder how the typical "He should have just complied" crowd is going to debate this one:

    There is no indication that Isaiah did anything other than comply with dispatch’s orders and raised his hands with the phone in his hand as instructed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    None of the three photos I linked were after the police tried stopping them. The three photo's I posted were between 5:20 and 6:00, the cops interaction is closer to the 9 min mark.
    Did you entirely disregard when I said "With the exception"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethul Ur No View Post
    Naturally, the solution to dangerous riding conditions for bicyclists in the Unites States is to....ride even more dangerously??

    Kids will be kids, but seriously what the fuck is a bike license? Is that actually a thing?

    Well the governor isn't on board with it
    “I don’t want to speak for law enforcement ... (but) there are certain things that should be high priorities and kids with bikes, to me, other than making sure they’re safe, I’m not sure that taking the bikes and taking them off the street is what we should be doing,” [Governor]Murphy said when asked about the incident during his latest COVID-19 briefing.

    The prosecutor’s office announced it would review the matter after a video circulated on social media of the teens riding their bikes and the interaction with police.

    “I don’t think that anybody who looked at that has liked the sense it has given off. Period,” Murphy said, referring to the video. “I’m glad that the Middlesex County prosector is looking at it.”

  15. #18195
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Did you entirely disregard when I said "With the exception"
    You quoted me and your first sentence was "This seems to be after they were trying to get away from the cops" which it was not after. Your exception would apply to the 3rd pic I linked, not the first two pics in which the person was playing chicken with two separate cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    And here we fucking go again. "I thought the phone he was talking on was a gun!"

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/video-sp...man-in-roadway
    Question for any 2A fans here: do you even have the right to bear arms when cops routinely shoot you if they even think you have a gun?

    As for the kids on bikes... there should have been someone telling them to not drive recklessly. Yeah kids and all, but still don't drive on the wrong side of the road and do your wheelies in the park. Due to the state of mind American police generally seem to be in, I'm don't think police should be it. In Germany we have Ordnungsamt, civil servants who mostly are not actual police, who take care of parking violations and similar stuff that doesn't need police response.

    We also have an article in traffic regulations where more than 15 vehicles who are driving together and visibly belong together are counted as one vehicle. Bicycles have to drive in pairs with no gaps to the next pair and when the first pair crosses a junction the whole crocodile can stay together and cross even if traffic lights get red inbetween. I did that a couple times to drive about 15 km through my city to get to the football stadium with a hundred others all wearing club colours. It's really great. Fucking pandemic should end soon, I want to do that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    non lethal force would show a severe lack of training and not understanding the situation at hand. there was a public murder taking place, you dont taze, you put down the criminal. shooting her was the only smart option.
    Every single civilized western country in the world manages to have a police force that's trained well enough that they can stop potential murderers without just shooting them. That you think shooting someone is the only solution shows just how hilariously out of touch with reality you are. BETTER training would make police able to remove threats without use of lethal force. The US has piss poor training and is why police often resort to lethal force against people who are unarmed and lightly struggling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Due to the state of mind American police generally seem to be in, I'm don't think police should be it. In Germany we have Ordnungsamt, civil servants who mostly are not actual police, who take care of parking violations and similar stuff that doesn't need police response.
    That was a big part of the whole "defund the police" thing that got consumed by morons twisting it into "aha!!! so you better not call the police when a crime happens if you want to live in world without cops!!!" Police are a necessary aspect of society (since society sucks), but people with guns on their hips and "warrior training" buzzing around in their skulls shouldn't be the ones dealing with mundane shit like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    And here we fucking go again. "I thought the phone he was talking on was a gun!"

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/video-sp...man-in-roadway
    Here's to hoping we get another second degree murder charge.

    For some reason people might think that police are getting more racist and violent lately. No, the reality is that before everyone had mobile cameras, there was no proof of wrongdoing, a police officer's word was usually taken. No body cams, no nothing. Heck, if Floyd's murder hadn't been recorded by a civilian, the official police report stated he died from an overdose of drugs at the hospital! THE OFFICIAL POLICE REPORT SAID THAT. Wonder just how many people of color have been wrongfully murdered and the police report was doctored up to make it look like someone completely innocent was a criminal.

    Thank god we have body cameras and every American has a phone now. Police will face accountability for their actions. And as someone else pointed out in this thread, many police precincts train police to shoot first and ask questions later. They drill it into their heads that "their life is always on the line" and make them fearful of "thugs". It's about damn time we see some reform of this grossly racist system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    And here we fucking go again. "I thought the phone he was talking on was a gun!"

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/video-sp...man-in-roadway
    "He's got a gun to his head! I'm gonna shoot him!"

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