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    It's pretty bad when even Pat Robertson can't abide what's going on...
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/pat-ro...top-this-stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, the President of the Chicago Police Union, better start fucking updating his resume, because he was stupid enough to go on fucking Cuomo Prime Time on CNN, and this son of a bitch, actually called the shooting of the unarmed 13 year old fucking "100% justified" and "that the officer's actions were actually heroic".

    This motherfucker is about to be bounced out of that job faster than the cop took to actually tell the kid to put his empty hands up. I hope Lightfoot fires his fucking ass.

    https://www.mediaite.com/crime/presi...tually-heroic/

    This isn't the first time he has had a ton of calls for him to resign, this dumbass literally had people calling for him to resign 2 months and 3 months ago when I tried to find the video on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+catanzara+cnn

    Wonder if this bastard has a white hood in his closet next to his Nazi flag.
    Yup shooting someone running away posing no threat, clearly 100% justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Get rid of qualified immunity, make police officers complaints and actions a matter of public record, better training, use of mental health professionals and other task forces more appropriate for certain situations, force them to live in the communities they patrol. The police should only be focused on things they need to be doing instead of being involved in domestic disputes, mental health calls etc. Maybe if we stop using the police for everything they can actually get good at their jobs, they only solve 2% of major crimes FFS.


    If someone only did the main objective of their job 2% of the time they would be fired.
    Along with stopping them from purchasing military equipment and outlawing all those private murder seminar/classes all of these murderers have seemed to participate in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yeah, as someone who isn’t terrible with a pistol I’d be on fucking edge if everyone was open carrying. No pun intended.
    I'm still waiting for all these good guys with guns to start stopping all these crimes all these 2A imbeciles claim. I'm beginning to think they are all a bunch if insecure pussies that just want to murder minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resurgo View Post
    It's pretty bad when even Pat Robertson can't abide what's going on...
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/pat-ro...top-this-stuff
    Wow... that not as impressive as it seems:

    US police and public officials donated to Kyle Rittenhouse, data breach reveals
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...te-data-breach
    A data breach at a Christian crowdfunding website has revealed that serving police officers and public officials have donated money to fundraisers for accused vigilante murderers, far-right activists, and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans.

    In many of these cases, the donations were attached to their official email addresses, raising questions about the use of public resources in supporting such campaigns.
    In secret Facebook groups, America's best warriors share racist jabs, lies about 2020, even QAnon theories
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    They're the most elite, lethally trained members of the U.S. military, widely considered the best of the best. And yet in secret Facebook groups exclusively for special operations forces that were accessed by NBC News, they share misinformation about a "stolen" 2020 election, disparaging and racist comments about America's political leadership and even QAnon conspiracy theories.

    Among the hundreds of Facebook posts NBC News reviewed from forums for current and former Rangers, Green Berets and other elite warriors: a member of a special forces group lamenting that several aides to former Vice President Mike Pence were part of a "Concerted effort by the thieves and pedophiles walking the hallowed halls of the peoples government" to undermine former President Donald Trump.
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    Oh look... officer and public officials donating to kyle rittenhouse and and terror group proud boys.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...te-data-breach

    US police and public officials donated to Kyle Rittenhouse, data breach reveals
    Officers and officials also donated to fundraisers for far-right activists and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans

    A data breach at a Christian crowdfunding website has revealed that serving police officers and public officials have donated money to fundraisers for accused vigilante murderers, far-right activists, and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans.

    In many of these cases, the donations were attached to their official email addresses, raising questions about the use of public resources in supporting such campaigns.


    The breach, shared with journalists by transparency group Distributed Denial of Secrets, revealed the details of some donors who had previously attempted to conceal their identities using GiveSendGo’s anonymity feature, but whose identifying details the website preserved.

    The beneficiaries of donations from public officials include Kyle Rittenhouse, who stands accused of murdering two leftwing protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last August. Rittenhouse traveled with weapons from neighboring Illinois to, by his own account, offer armed protection to businesses during protests over the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

    Rittenhouse, who became a cause célèbre across conservative media throughout late 2020, and was even supported by then president Donald Trump, held a fundraiser on GiveSendGo billed as a contribution to his legal defense. According to data from the site, he raised $586,940 between 27 August last year and 7 January .

    Among the donors were several associated with email addresses traceable to police and other public officials.

    One donation for $25, made on 3 September last year, was made anonymously, but associated with the official email address for Sgt William Kelly, who currently serves as the executive officer of internal affairs in the Norfolk police department in Virginia.

    That donation also carried a comment, reading: “God bless. Thank you for your courage. Keep your head up. You’ve done nothing wrong.”

    The comment continued: “Every rank and file police officer supports you. Don’t be discouraged by actions of the political class of law enforcement leadership.”

    Another Rittenhouse donor using an official email address was Craig Shepherd, who public records show is a paramedic in Utah. This donor gave $10 to Rittenhouse on 30 August.

    Donations also came to Rittenhouse associated with official email addresses for Keith Silvers, and employee of the city of Huntsville, Alabama, and another $100 was associated with the official address of Michael Crosley, an engineer at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, a body which is charged with maintaining the US’s nuclear weapons stockpile.

    Meanwhile, several Wisconsin police officers donated to a fundraiser, “Support Rusten Sheskey”, held for the Kenosha police department officer whose shooting of a black man, Jacob Blake, led to the protests that drew Rittenhouse to the city.

    Two $20 donations to Sheskey’s fund were associated with email addresses of a pair of lieutenants in Green Bay, Wisconsin’s police department. One, given under the name, “GBPD Officer”, was tied to an address associated with Chad Ramos, a training lieutenant in the department; another anonymous donation was associated with Keith A Gehring, who is listed as a school resources officer lieutenant.

    Another donation to Sheskey was associated with the official email address of officer Pat Gainer of the Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin police department. Given under the screen name “PPPD Motor 179”, the donation also carried the comment: “Stay strong brother.”

    About 32 more donations, totaling more than $5,000, came to Sheskey from private email addresses associated with Kenosha officers, but under badge numbers rather than names.

    More anonymous donations on the site came from city employees of Houston, Texas, who were objecting to the actions of the then police chief, Art Acevedo, who fired four Houston police officers after they shot and killed a man, Nicolas Chavez, who was on his knees, and in an apparent mental health crisis.

    One anonymous donation of $100 was associated with the official address of that city’s fire chief, Samuel Peña, who has himself faced recent employee revolts over cost-cutting, but who has been publicly supportive of Acevedo, describing him in a tweet as a “brother & partner in Public Safety” in March, when Acevedo announced that he would be taking up an appointment as Miami’s chief of police.

    Another anonymous donation of $400 was attributed in site data to an email linked to Chris Andersen and carried the comment: “I think that Chief Acevedo is part of the ‘unrecognized form of police corruption’ that Chris Anderson [sic] wrote about in his book’. Hang in there guys!!!”
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    So what's up man, couldn't a group of strong male officers handle a 13 y/o?

    What's your excuse for more police gunning down civilians this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    @docterfreeze

    So what's up man, couldn't a group of strong male officers handle a 13 y/o?

    What's your excuse for more police gunning down civilians this time?
    Too brown.
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    Totally not racist

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    at this point you'd be better off having a gun fight with a cop who pulled you over, more chance to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, the President of the Chicago Police Union, better start fucking updating his resume, because he was stupid enough to go on fucking Cuomo Prime Time on CNN, and this son of a bitch, actually called the shooting of the unarmed 13 year old fucking "100% justified" and "that the officer's actions were actually heroic".

    This motherfucker is about to be bounced out of that job faster than the cop took to actually tell the kid to put his empty hands up. I hope Lightfoot fires his fucking ass.

    https://www.mediaite.com/crime/presi...tually-heroic/

    This isn't the first time he has had a ton of calls for him to resign, this dumbass literally had people calling for him to resign 2 months and 3 months ago when I tried to find the video on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+catanzara+cnn

    Wonder if this bastard has a white hood in his closet next to his Nazi flag.
    That guy has no remorse for the murder of a child. That's fucking despicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    at this point you'd be better off having a gun fight with a cop who pulled you over, more chance to survive.
    And if you kill a few of them and you're white, they'll fund your legal fees and give you a medal to boot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    at this point you'd be better off having a gun fight with a cop who pulled you over, more chance to survive.
    Honestly, it's getting close to the point where firing on police could be justified as legal self defense, given the threat officers pose to innocent people.

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    Was surprised to see Don Lemon actually come to the defense of the cop who shot the 13 year old.
    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...082648436.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    Was surprised to see Don Lemon actually come to the defense of the cop who shot the 13 year old.
    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...082648436.html
    If someone's running with a gun and they turn around, police officers have to make decisions in split seconds.
    And the officer objectively made the wrong call. You don't get a mulligan when you accidentally shoot and kill an unarmed person whom you are commanding to stop and show their hands, after the suspect stops and shows their hands. One strike and you're out, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And the officer objectively made the wrong call. You don't get a mulligan when you accidentally shoot and kill an unarmed person whom you are commanding to stop and show their hands, after the suspect stops and shows their hands. One strike and you're out, period.
    I'll defend an officer if they're shooting an active shooter, or chasing someone who's armed and who turns to confront them. In those situations, the officer is effectively choosing between the death of the offender, or the death of themselves or some innocent bystander.

    A case like this? Nobody was about to die. It wasn't a choice to kill an offender to save the life of another. It's just a choice to kill an offender. That the offender was 13 is just extra-gross icing on the murder cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    SO what do we think is the solution to police?
    A good start would be better training. Depending on state it takes at least 2.5 years to be a grunt and 3 years to be an officer in Germany.

    But IMO the real solution goes much much deeper. Your problem is, that American society believes deadly violence to be a valid problem solving strategy. Even with better background checks and other gun control measures you will have too much death as long as the 2A mentality is alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'll defend an officer if they're shooting an active shooter, or chasing someone who's armed and who turns to confront them. In those situations, the officer is effectively choosing between the death of the offender, or the death of themselves or some innocent bystander.

    A case like this? Nobody was about to die. It wasn't a choice to kill an offender to save the life of another. It's just a choice to kill an offender. That the offender was 13 is just extra-gross icing on the murder cake.
    He had a gun, did the cops see him throw it? I am not saying the cops are innocent but if someone I knew had a gun quickly turned at me after running away I would assume it was to shoot me. I don't think this is remotely as bad as the other recent cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    He had a gun, did the cops see him throw it? I am not saying the cops are innocent but if someone I knew had a gun quickly turned at me after running away I would assume it was to shoot me. I don't think this is remotely as bad as the other recent cops.
    Not as blatant, but the officer ordered him to stop and turn around...which he did...with nothing in his hands. So he literally complied with the cop and still got shot. That's not supposed to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    He had a gun, did the cops see him throw it? I am not saying the cops are innocent but if someone I knew had a gun quickly turned at me after running away I would assume it was to shoot me. I don't think this is remotely as bad as the other recent cops.
    I don't consider him "having a gun" to be enough.

    I wouldn't consider it enough in Canada.

    In a country like the USA where "having a gun" is literally a highly-protected Constitutional right, it's pants-screamingly wrongheaded. Killing someone because they're armed, in the USA, is effectively a direct violation of their Constitutional rights. It's not much different from killing someone for speaking out against the political leaders in charge (which would be a violation of free speech, the 1st Amendment).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Not as blatant, but the officer ordered him to stop and turn around...which he did...with nothing in his hands. So he literally complied with the cop and still got shot. That's not supposed to happen.
    You know it doesn't matter what the person who winds up dead did, right? The same people who bleat about compliance in a discussion about Daunte Wright are now using entirely different arguments to justify Adam Toledo being gunned down. As long as the "right people" by their standards are the one who get gunned down by police the more they'll keep licking their boots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    He had a gun, did the cops see him throw it? I am not saying the cops are innocent but if someone I knew had a gun quickly turned at me after running away I would assume it was to shoot me. I don't think this is remotely as bad as the other recent cops.
    The bigger issue is that the child didn't have a gun when he was murdered. Which is both the beginning and the end of the conversation. The officer involved should be in shackles right now - not getting a paid vacation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    In a country like the USA where "having a gun" is literally a highly-protected Constitutional right, it's pants-screamingly wrongheaded. Killing someone because they're armed, in the USA, is effectively a direct violation of their Constitutional rights. It's not much different from killing someone for speaking out against the political leaders in charge (which would be a violation of free speech, the 1st Amendment).
    And this is a separate but very solid point. Since we have a vaunted right to a gun, turning around and having one shouldn't be cause for getting murdered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    You know it doesn't matter what the person who winds up dead did, right? The same people who bleat about compliance in a discussion about Daunte Wright are now using entirely different arguments to justify Adam Toledo being gunned down. As long as the "right people" by their standards are the one who get gunned down by police the more they'll keep licking their boots.
    They did the same thing with Breonna Taylor. You remember: the person who was murdered in her home because she "chose to associate with her vile criminal scumbag thug boyfriend!!!"

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