1. #18421
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Oh, and enact common sense gun control laws.
    Arm every person and legally obligate them to open-carry. Gotcha.

    /s...maybe?

  2. #18422
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Arm every person and legally obligate them to open-carry. Gotcha.

    /s...maybe?
    Yeah, as someone who isn’t terrible with a pistol I’d be on fucking edge if everyone was open carrying. No pun intended.

  3. #18423
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yeah, as someone who isn’t terrible with a pistol I’d be on fucking edge if everyone was open carrying. No pun intended.
    Shit man, I don't even carry around mace/pepper because I straight up don't trust myself not to like, accidentally mace myself in the dick while fishing around my keys or something.

  4. #18424
    With Adam Toledo, it looks like a case of Hands up, don't shoot.

    There is no way in hell they can try to spin this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, the police officer that killed the 13 year old, his statement goes CLEARLY against his body worn camera.

    From this article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/7217787002/
    According to police, officers were dispatched to the Little Village neighborhood in the early hours of March 29 when the department's ShotSpotter technology detected eight gunshots. When police arrived, Adam and 21-year-old Ruben Roman fled, authorities said.

    An officer shot Adam once in the chest after an "armed confrontation" in an alley, police said. Adam died at the scene.

    Lightfoot and other city officials have offered various narratives around whether Adam had a gun or not. Earlier this month, Lightfoot suggested Adam was holding a gun, saying "an adult put a gun in a child’s hand." And on Saturday, prosecutors alleged Adam was holding a gun when the officer shot him.

    But on Thursday, a Sarah Sinovic, chief spokeswoman for the Cook County State’s Attorney, said "an attorney who works in this office failed to fully inform himself before speaking in court. Errors like that cannot happen and this has been addressed with the individual involved. The video speaks for itself."

    Also Thursday,Lightfoot's phrasing changed, and she said Adam was "a child who was in contact with an adult who had a gun." Asked whether Adam shot at an officer, she said: "I've seen no evidence whatsoever that Adam Toledo shot at the police."

    The officer has been placed on administrative leave for 30 days.

    A case incident report identified the officer who fired the shot as 10th district patrol officer Eric Stillman. Stilman, a 34-year-old white man, has been a Chicago police officer since August 2015, according to the report.

    Stillman has no prior complaints filed against him and was a 2016 recipient of the Superintendent's Award of Valor, according to the Invisible Institute, which records police interactions with the public.
    Thank you for that answer/post.

    Fuck this bullshit police department. The bolded piece by me is about all we need - especially considering that statement is coming from legal. How is this fucking murderer still walking around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yeah, as someone who isn’t terrible with a pistol I’d be on fucking edge if everyone was open carrying. No pun intended.
    Same here. I moved to AK recently and the first time I saw someone open carrying in a store it freaked me out - to the point where I wanted to leave.

    The real solution is to disarm everyone, but that's for another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryntrollian View Post
    With Adam Toledo, it looks like a case of Hands up, don't shoot.

    There is no way in hell they can try to spin this.
    I still don't understand how "administrative leave" and not "locked up in a dungeon" is ok. The cop murdered a child.

  6. #18426
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Consequences for murder, just like any other job.
    Get rid of qualified immunity, would be a great start. The fact that cops can just go around murdering people, and get off with paid leave, or a slap on the wrist is bullshit. Should be Equal Protection Under the Law.

  7. #18427
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    SO what do we think is the solution to police?
    Get rid of qualified immunity, make police officers complaints and actions a matter of public record, better training, use of mental health professionals and other task forces more appropriate for certain situations, force them to live in the communities they patrol. The police should only be focused on things they need to be doing instead of being involved in domestic disputes, mental health calls etc. Maybe if we stop using the police for everything they can actually get good at their jobs, they only solve 2% of major crimes FFS.


    If someone only did the main objective of their job 2% of the time they would be fired.

  8. #18428
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    There's pictures from every angle. That kid was killed unarmed in another case of kill first, make some bullshit up later.
    "Oh, he had a toy gun we thought was real" is a good one. Because apparently some members of the Baltimore PD carried around toy guns in their cars specifically to plant them on people they had accidentally shot:
    https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/...-reveals-vgtrn

  9. #18429
    Made the mistake of looking at r/ProtectAndServe. Literally a bunch of cops circle jerking saying how Chauvin was completely justified, and the kid who was just shot in Chicago deserved to die.

    That whole subreddit is a shining example of what's wrong with law enforcement in this country. It's so frustrating how people can defend stuff like this.

    "Just comply and you won't get shot"

    Kid literally does what the officer says. Stops, drops the gun, puts hands up.

    "SHOULA COMPLIED BETTER!"

    I'm even seeing stuff like that on the horrifying Daniel Shaver video. I'm now at the point where I have zero trust for police officers in this country and the people who defend them.
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  10. #18430
    So, the President of the Chicago Police Union, better start fucking updating his resume, because he was stupid enough to go on fucking Cuomo Prime Time on CNN, and this son of a bitch, actually called the shooting of the unarmed 13 year old fucking "100% justified" and "that the officer's actions were actually heroic".

    This motherfucker is about to be bounced out of that job faster than the cop took to actually tell the kid to put his empty hands up. I hope Lightfoot fires his fucking ass.

    https://www.mediaite.com/crime/presi...tually-heroic/

    This isn't the first time he has had a ton of calls for him to resign, this dumbass literally had people calling for him to resign 2 months and 3 months ago when I tried to find the video on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+catanzara+cnn

    Wonder if this bastard has a white hood in his closet next to his Nazi flag.

  11. #18431
    It's pretty bad when even Pat Robertson can't abide what's going on...
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/pat-ro...top-this-stuff

  12. #18432
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, the President of the Chicago Police Union, better start fucking updating his resume, because he was stupid enough to go on fucking Cuomo Prime Time on CNN, and this son of a bitch, actually called the shooting of the unarmed 13 year old fucking "100% justified" and "that the officer's actions were actually heroic".

    This motherfucker is about to be bounced out of that job faster than the cop took to actually tell the kid to put his empty hands up. I hope Lightfoot fires his fucking ass.

    https://www.mediaite.com/crime/presi...tually-heroic/

    This isn't the first time he has had a ton of calls for him to resign, this dumbass literally had people calling for him to resign 2 months and 3 months ago when I tried to find the video on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+catanzara+cnn

    Wonder if this bastard has a white hood in his closet next to his Nazi flag.
    Yup shooting someone running away posing no threat, clearly 100% justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Get rid of qualified immunity, make police officers complaints and actions a matter of public record, better training, use of mental health professionals and other task forces more appropriate for certain situations, force them to live in the communities they patrol. The police should only be focused on things they need to be doing instead of being involved in domestic disputes, mental health calls etc. Maybe if we stop using the police for everything they can actually get good at their jobs, they only solve 2% of major crimes FFS.


    If someone only did the main objective of their job 2% of the time they would be fired.
    Along with stopping them from purchasing military equipment and outlawing all those private murder seminar/classes all of these murderers have seemed to participate in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yeah, as someone who isn’t terrible with a pistol I’d be on fucking edge if everyone was open carrying. No pun intended.
    I'm still waiting for all these good guys with guns to start stopping all these crimes all these 2A imbeciles claim. I'm beginning to think they are all a bunch if insecure pussies that just want to murder minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resurgo View Post
    It's pretty bad when even Pat Robertson can't abide what's going on...
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/pat-ro...top-this-stuff
    Wow... that not as impressive as it seems:

    US police and public officials donated to Kyle Rittenhouse, data breach reveals
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...te-data-breach
    A data breach at a Christian crowdfunding website has revealed that serving police officers and public officials have donated money to fundraisers for accused vigilante murderers, far-right activists, and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans.

    In many of these cases, the donations were attached to their official email addresses, raising questions about the use of public resources in supporting such campaigns.
    In secret Facebook groups, America's best warriors share racist jabs, lies about 2020, even QAnon theories
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/militar...-jabs-n1263985
    They're the most elite, lethally trained members of the U.S. military, widely considered the best of the best. And yet in secret Facebook groups exclusively for special operations forces that were accessed by NBC News, they share misinformation about a "stolen" 2020 election, disparaging and racist comments about America's political leadership and even QAnon conspiracy theories.

    Among the hundreds of Facebook posts NBC News reviewed from forums for current and former Rangers, Green Berets and other elite warriors: a member of a special forces group lamenting that several aides to former Vice President Mike Pence were part of a "Concerted effort by the thieves and pedophiles walking the hallowed halls of the peoples government" to undermine former President Donald Trump.
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    Oh look... officer and public officials donating to kyle rittenhouse and and terror group proud boys.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...te-data-breach

    US police and public officials donated to Kyle Rittenhouse, data breach reveals
    Officers and officials also donated to fundraisers for far-right activists and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans

    A data breach at a Christian crowdfunding website has revealed that serving police officers and public officials have donated money to fundraisers for accused vigilante murderers, far-right activists, and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans.

    In many of these cases, the donations were attached to their official email addresses, raising questions about the use of public resources in supporting such campaigns.


    The breach, shared with journalists by transparency group Distributed Denial of Secrets, revealed the details of some donors who had previously attempted to conceal their identities using GiveSendGo’s anonymity feature, but whose identifying details the website preserved.

    The beneficiaries of donations from public officials include Kyle Rittenhouse, who stands accused of murdering two leftwing protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last August. Rittenhouse traveled with weapons from neighboring Illinois to, by his own account, offer armed protection to businesses during protests over the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

    Rittenhouse, who became a cause célèbre across conservative media throughout late 2020, and was even supported by then president Donald Trump, held a fundraiser on GiveSendGo billed as a contribution to his legal defense. According to data from the site, he raised $586,940 between 27 August last year and 7 January .

    Among the donors were several associated with email addresses traceable to police and other public officials.

    One donation for $25, made on 3 September last year, was made anonymously, but associated with the official email address for Sgt William Kelly, who currently serves as the executive officer of internal affairs in the Norfolk police department in Virginia.

    That donation also carried a comment, reading: “God bless. Thank you for your courage. Keep your head up. You’ve done nothing wrong.”

    The comment continued: “Every rank and file police officer supports you. Don’t be discouraged by actions of the political class of law enforcement leadership.”

    Another Rittenhouse donor using an official email address was Craig Shepherd, who public records show is a paramedic in Utah. This donor gave $10 to Rittenhouse on 30 August.

    Donations also came to Rittenhouse associated with official email addresses for Keith Silvers, and employee of the city of Huntsville, Alabama, and another $100 was associated with the official address of Michael Crosley, an engineer at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, a body which is charged with maintaining the US’s nuclear weapons stockpile.

    Meanwhile, several Wisconsin police officers donated to a fundraiser, “Support Rusten Sheskey”, held for the Kenosha police department officer whose shooting of a black man, Jacob Blake, led to the protests that drew Rittenhouse to the city.

    Two $20 donations to Sheskey’s fund were associated with email addresses of a pair of lieutenants in Green Bay, Wisconsin’s police department. One, given under the name, “GBPD Officer”, was tied to an address associated with Chad Ramos, a training lieutenant in the department; another anonymous donation was associated with Keith A Gehring, who is listed as a school resources officer lieutenant.

    Another donation to Sheskey was associated with the official email address of officer Pat Gainer of the Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin police department. Given under the screen name “PPPD Motor 179”, the donation also carried the comment: “Stay strong brother.”

    About 32 more donations, totaling more than $5,000, came to Sheskey from private email addresses associated with Kenosha officers, but under badge numbers rather than names.

    More anonymous donations on the site came from city employees of Houston, Texas, who were objecting to the actions of the then police chief, Art Acevedo, who fired four Houston police officers after they shot and killed a man, Nicolas Chavez, who was on his knees, and in an apparent mental health crisis.

    One anonymous donation of $100 was associated with the official address of that city’s fire chief, Samuel Peña, who has himself faced recent employee revolts over cost-cutting, but who has been publicly supportive of Acevedo, describing him in a tweet as a “brother & partner in Public Safety” in March, when Acevedo announced that he would be taking up an appointment as Miami’s chief of police.

    Another anonymous donation of $400 was attributed in site data to an email linked to Chris Andersen and carried the comment: “I think that Chief Acevedo is part of the ‘unrecognized form of police corruption’ that Chris Anderson [sic] wrote about in his book’. Hang in there guys!!!”

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    So what's up man, couldn't a group of strong male officers handle a 13 y/o?

    What's your excuse for more police gunning down civilians this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    @docterfreeze

    So what's up man, couldn't a group of strong male officers handle a 13 y/o?

    What's your excuse for more police gunning down civilians this time?
    Too brown.

  17. #18437
    at this point you'd be better off having a gun fight with a cop who pulled you over, more chance to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, the President of the Chicago Police Union, better start fucking updating his resume, because he was stupid enough to go on fucking Cuomo Prime Time on CNN, and this son of a bitch, actually called the shooting of the unarmed 13 year old fucking "100% justified" and "that the officer's actions were actually heroic".

    This motherfucker is about to be bounced out of that job faster than the cop took to actually tell the kid to put his empty hands up. I hope Lightfoot fires his fucking ass.

    https://www.mediaite.com/crime/presi...tually-heroic/

    This isn't the first time he has had a ton of calls for him to resign, this dumbass literally had people calling for him to resign 2 months and 3 months ago when I tried to find the video on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+catanzara+cnn

    Wonder if this bastard has a white hood in his closet next to his Nazi flag.
    That guy has no remorse for the murder of a child. That's fucking despicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    at this point you'd be better off having a gun fight with a cop who pulled you over, more chance to survive.
    And if you kill a few of them and you're white, they'll fund your legal fees and give you a medal to boot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    at this point you'd be better off having a gun fight with a cop who pulled you over, more chance to survive.
    Honestly, it's getting close to the point where firing on police could be justified as legal self defense, given the threat officers pose to innocent people.

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