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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Woods View Post
    This quote is exactly what's fucked up with this case IMO. I'm not 100% sure, but I've seen many reports say Bryant was the one who made the 911 call saying another girl (assume pink outfit) was attacking with the knife. So, if Bryant had a gun and shot pink outfit in "self defense" just like Rittenhouse (still illegal under age possession of a gun but...), would everyone be defending her? I thought the narrative on the Right is that the cop saved pink outfits life? But what if pink outfit was the initial aggressor? We need the facts. While it's probably justifiable action by the cops it's still 100% FUCKED UP and didn't have to happen.

    It's funny after the story broke my brother texted me and said if cops shot everyone who had a knife in a fight like 25% of our HS would've been killed by cops. But we were a 85%+ white HS so yay! and no trigger happy cops visiting us.


    One quick comment about Chauvin. It's funny how Candy, Ingraham, Tucker, Hannity and many more RW'ers decry about Chauvin's due process. LIKE BITCHES what about George Floyds? The agents of the state get due process according to conservatives, but not Black Americans. But like Their assault on the 1st amendment, 4th amendment, 15th amendment, why would we expect conservatives to care about the 14th?
    "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

    There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

    There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
    That is true for every political grouping. In fact, it's a perfect summary of some of the corruption that has been committed by every political party in existence, including socialism and liberalism. Not claiming US conservatives aren't guilty of it, but it happens almost constantly in every political party across the West. In fact, I know there is a Liberal Party who is under investigation for such corruption right now, although the courts have decided that it turned into a "media witch-hunt and thus no fair trial is possible anymore..." Ironically that is a ruling you only hear when politicians are on trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    That is true for every political grouping. In fact, it's a perfect summary of some of the corruption that has been committed by every political party in existence, including socialism and liberalism. Not claiming US conservatives aren't guilty of it, but it happens almost constantly in every political party across the West. In fact, I know there is a Liberal Party who is under investigation for such corruption right now, although the courts have decided that it turned into a "media witch-hunt and thus no fair trial is possible anymore..." Ironically that is a ruling you only hear when politicians are on trial.
    LOL if only you had clicked the link and read it. Sorry, don't think there's a youtube video of it.
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    LOL if only you had clicked the link and read it. Sorry, don't think there's a youtube video of it.
    Cool, so he states that everyone is just as bad as the 'corrupt' US conservatives, including US progressives and liberals.

    Quite proud that I managed to figure that out on my own without having to read his little text about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    Cool, so he states that everyone is just as bad as the 'corrupt' US conservatives, including US progressives and liberals.

    Quite proud that I managed to figure that out on my own without having to read his little text about it.
    Lol sure, Jan.jpg. You managed to post like you were "correcting" him without grasping his central thesis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    Quite proud that I managed to figure that out on my own without having to read his little text about it.
    Well, since you did such a great job figuring it out... Can you justify what the article said here:
    For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.
    With this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Im...ri_te_salutant
    Avē Imperātor, moritūrī tē salūtant ("Hail, Emperor, those who are about to die salute you") is a well-known Latin phrase quoted in Suetonius, De vita Caesarum ("The Life of the Caesars", or "The Twelve Caesars").
    Have you heard of a monarchy or feudalism? God save the Queen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Compared to the cells at some prisons I visited while in college (for coursework, not to stay : P) it's pretty fuckin cushy. Like, really cushy. Helluva lot better than an auditorium of stacked bunkbeds or even smaller cells with fewer "amenities". I mean, he's even got a bit of a window for some natural sunlight.

    But yes, it speaks to how absolutely garbage the US prison system is and how the whole thing is designed purely to inflict further suffering rather than make any credible attempt at rehabilitation in an effort to reduce recidivism and promote overall public safety.
    Welcome to the privitization of the prison system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    That is true for every political grouping.
    Flatly untrue. Some of us actually want equity for all. Kindly don't project your own thinking onto everyone else.

    In fact, it's a perfect summary of some of the corruption that has been committed by every political party in existence, including socialism and liberalism.
    Neither of those are "political parties". And "incapable of being corrupted" is a wildly different take than what Levelfive quoted. You're moving two separate goalposts at once, here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Flatly untrue. Some of us actually want equity for all.
    Nah,

    At first, when the ideology within the party is still respected, it's just a difference on who the in-groups and the out-groups are, then slowly over time but inevitably, the in-group becomes the political party itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Neither of those are "political parties".
    This is where you are wrong also. Both of them are widespread political parties in various different modern countries who have all gotten caught up in their own scandals and corruption due to exactly what I mentioned: their in-group becoming themselves, even if originally, a few hundred years ago, their ideology was purely devoted to liberalism or socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    Nah,

    At first, when the ideology within the party is still respected, it's just a difference on who the in-groups and the out-groups are, then slowly over time but inevitably, the in-group becomes the political party itself.
    Again, you're still just projecting your own bias, here. Your inability to grasp equity for all is a "you" problem, not some unavoidable barrier in human thinking.

    This is where you are wrong also. Both of them are widespread political parties in various different modern countries who have all gotten caught up in their own scandals and corruption due to exactly what I mentioned: their in-group becoming themselves, even if originally, a few hundred years ago, their ideology was purely devoted to liberalism or socialism.
    It's becoming really clear you have no idea what "party" means, in political terminology.

    Two parties in separate countries which both have "liberal" in their name do not have any coordination or shared leadership and do not necessarily pursue the same goals or platforms. That isn't "corruption", it's just the recognition that a "party" is a different thing than a broad ideological concept like "liberalism", which is so broad as to include multiple interpretations which cannot be reconciled with each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Again, you're still just projecting your own bias, here. Your inability to grasp equity for all is a "you" problem, not some unavoidable barrier in human thinking.



    It's becoming really clear you have no idea what "party" means, in political terminology.

    Two parties in separate countries which both have "liberal" in their name do not have any coordination or shared leadership and do not necessarily pursue the same goals or platforms. That isn't "corruption", it's just the recognition that a "party" is a different thing than a broad ideological concept like "liberalism", which is so broad as to include multiple interpretations which cannot be reconciled with each other.
    Well, your optimism in the purity of intentions of people, ideologies and parties sure is admirable. Reminds me of myself when I was still a decade younger.

    Just remember, the road to hell is paved with virtuous intentions.
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  12. #19172
    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    Maybe they were reading a thread about how nonlethal force should be a response to lethal force and decided the gaslighting was too much for them?
    the only gaslighting is this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    Well, your optimism in the purity of intentions of people, ideologies and parties sure is admirable. Reminds me of myself when I was still a decade younger.

    Just remember, the road to hell is paved with virtuous intentions.
    There's no claim of "purity of intentions" in my post at all.

    You're still doing nothing but projecting your own personal issues onto the world at large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Again, you're still just projecting your own bias, here. Your inability to grasp equity for all is a "you" problem, not some unavoidable barrier in human thinking.



    It's becoming really clear you have no idea what "party" means, in political terminology.

    Two parties in separate countries which both have "liberal" in their name do not have any coordination or shared leadership and do not necessarily pursue the same goals or platforms. That isn't "corruption", it's just the recognition that a "party" is a different thing than a broad ideological concept like "liberalism", which is so broad as to include multiple interpretations which cannot be reconciled with each other.
    It's like a 2-d book report on Animal Farm and still completely misses Wilhoit's point, which wasn't--at all--"everyone's just as bad!"
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Your high school had brawls with knives being used?
    Yep.



    Not everyone lives in Eurotopia, honey. Some of us have to put up with shitty postcolonial cultures and regimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Said person was responsible for swinging a knife at that moment. Kinda makes it moot point talking about circumstances. She even tried to attack the first girl, like couple of meters away from the cop straight in front of her (???), then lunged at the second one.
    Once again, y'all continue to leave out the part where this is somehow justification for defaulting to lethal force.

    The idea that it's acceptable to skip the judicial process and carry out an execution so long as a badly trained rent-a-cop deems it necessary is kinda cringe, so I'm not sure why you're pushing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    where the fuck are the adults?
    Well, one of them was there kicking a kid in the head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    Well, your optimism in the purity of intentions of people, ideologies and parties sure is admirable. Reminds me of myself when I was still a decade younger.

    Just remember, the road to hell is paved with virtuous intentions.
    How would you know when you've never stuck by a consistent ideology or personality for more than a few months? Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    This whole thing is fucking insane. The only reason this is national news is because she was 16.

    Why the fuck is a 16-year old trying to stab someone and where the fuck are the adults?

    This tragedy could've been avoided but it isn't up to the cops to avoid this tragedy. They did what they were trained to do and in this specific situation, the choices they made were correct.
    I had heard the one to call the cops was the one with the knife, in which case... do you now believe self-defence is not a thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I had heard the one to call the cops was the one with the knife, in which case... do you now believe self-defence is not a thing?
    Still hearing conflicting things about who called 911. So far we know the argument started because the girl that died was told to clean the house. Also self defense is absolutely a thing, but a cop seeing someone running around trying to stab two different people is going to target the person trying to do the stabbing. It is also why there are instances of good guys/undercovers with guns getting shot by police because all the police sees is someone about to shoot someone and they act on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I had heard the one to call the cops was the one with the knife, in which case... do you now believe self-defence is not a thing?
    She was not being attacked by the individual she charged at with a knife. This is not self defense.
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