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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's not giving the order that's an abuse of authority.

    It's the use of violence to enforce those orders.
    Would you feel better if I rephrased this as "I have this feeling that half of this thread believes that cops enforce every order with violence"? Literally nothing changes from what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Would you feel better if I rephrased this as "I have this feeling that half of this thread believes that cops enforce every order with violence"? Literally nothing changes from what I said.
    If police officers were shouting that there was a curfew and waving protestors away and protestors were not complying and it got shouty and the cops eventually pushed forward enough that the protestors dispersed, literally no one would be complaining.

    The complaints come about when the cops declare there's a curfew and then wade into the protestors with batons and tear gas and whatnot.

    Police violence, even use of non-lethals and less-than-lethals, should be reserved as a response to violence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If police officers were shouting that there was a curfew and waving protestors away and protestors were not complying and it got shouty and the cops eventually pushed forward enough that the protestors dispersed, literally no one would be complaining.

    The complaints come about when the cops declare there's a curfew and then wade into the protestors with batons and tear gas and whatnot.

    Police violence, even use of non-lethals and less-than-lethals, should be reserved as a response to violence.
    I still said something really different from what you are going on about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    If you can't trust the police, why would you ever do what they say? You just killed your entire reasoning about doing what police tells you too.

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    The difference is using violence against authoritarian thugs who supports an oppressive order of one kind or another, or the state repressing the population to keep a clique in power.
    There is nothing contractional about not trusting those in authority while following their lawful orders.

    Only in perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Kellhound would have fit perfectly in East Germany. He seems to actually want to live in a police state. I was only a child back then but I didn't fucking like it at all. It's all fine and dandy as long as you fit in and do everything the state wants you to, but the moment you have a thought of your own you're fucked. Kellhound isn't at the stage of having a thought yet.
    Ah yes, support the idea that one should follow the lawful orders of the police and one obviously must want a police state....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    No sense even talking to Kellhound. He said earlier in the thread he just wants to watch Portland burn.



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    Most people view violence as a last resort.

    Cops start with violence and work up from there.
    Yes, because I want the anarchist to see what comes from anarchy.

    As I said, it is a matter of perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    No, they don't. In what kind of neighborhood are you living where you'd come to that conclusion?
    History shows I am correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Ah yes, support the idea that one should follow the lawful orders of the police and one obviously must want a police state....
    Every order by police is lawful in your eyes, there is nothing police could do for you not to defend them anymore. You are a bootlicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    History shows I am correct.
    Well, then you should easily be able to provide an example.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Every order by police is lawful in your eyes, there is nothing police could do for you not to defend them anymore. You are a bootlicker.
    Hardly. I have refused to obey unlawful orders from the police. I have taken the police to court over their actions, and won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Well, then you should easily be able to provide an example.
    Every war in human history....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Hardly. I have refused to obey unlawful orders from the police. I have taken the police to court over their actions, and won.
    I assume I am to take this with a Himalayan mountain size of salt?
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    Black women are racist. Im the one trying to make her[my wife] behave like white people and not say it out loud.
    Totally not racist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I assume I am to take this with a Himalayan mountain size of salt?
    Nope. I just got a check from my city after they lost in court over an officer's actions against me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Every war in human history....
    Ahahaha what?

    You think every war in human history was supported by most people?

    I mean, even if we're only counting the wars where most of the people actually owned shit and weren't subservient to others, not even then you'd be right.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Every war in human history....
    Do you, like, not realize how freaking vast human history really is? People have spent, seriously, orders of magnitude more time spent not at war than at war (or committing random assaults). And more often than not, most of the people actually fighting in those wars were forced into it by the smaller number of leaders/rulers who fit your description.

    You have a really twisted view of the world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Ahahaha what?

    You think every war in human history was supported by most people?

    I mean, even if we're only counting the wars where most of the people actually owned shit and weren't subservient to others, not even then you'd be right.
    When the populace objects to a war, they tend turn to violence to end it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    When the populace objects to a war, they tend turn to violence to end it.
    The United States has spent most of its existence at war, we are currently at war with several countries but the majority of the public doesn't support or even know about these wars so that flies in the face of that statement. You can easily get away with this with PR we don't call wars that name anymore they are engagements or strikes. The only time the populace revolts against war is countries where everyone has to serve because for better or worse we only look out for our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    When the populace objects to a war, they tend turn to violence to end it.
    Ok, what alternate reality history books are you reading?
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Do you, like, not realize how freaking vast human history really is? People have spent, seriously, orders of magnitude more time spent not at war than at war (or committing random assaults). And more often than not, most of the people actually fighting in those wars were forced into it by the smaller number of leaders/rulers who fit your description.

    You have a really twisted view of the world.
    The vastness of human history depends on when you consider humans to have begun to exist. Further, I never said humans were always at war. When the masses no longer feel that supporting a war is in their best interest, they tend to rebel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The vastness of human history depends on when you consider humans to have begun to exist. Further, I never said humans were always at war. When the masses no longer feel that supporting a war is in their best interest, they tend to rebel.
    Not even soldiers are supporting wars most of the time. People have to be coerced one way or another to fight other people. If your idea of how the world works was true, crime would be the standard and people would be arrested for not committing crimes.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The United States has spent most of its existence at war, we are currently at war with several countries but the majority of the public doesn't support or even know about these wars so that flies in the face of that statement. You can easily get away with this with PR we don't call wars that name anymore they are engagements or strikes. The only time the populace revolts against war is countries where everyone has to serve because for better or worse we only look out for our own.
    Most US voters tacitly approve of most wars (especially in the beginning), which is why they vote for the people they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Most US voters tacitly approve of most wars (especially in the beginning), which is why they vote for the people they do.
    No, we've just effectively made wars limited to a small number of the population. There's no coverage of deaths and everything is worded nicely so the public isn't aware, all you have to do is look at presidential debates wars don't even make the topics. Even public wars like Afghanistan no one really cares because they aren't duty bound to fight, it's also the reason we sadly treat our veterans like shit when they come home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Not even soldiers are supporting wars most of the time. People have to be coerced one way or another to fight other people. If your idea of how the world works was true, crime would be the standard and people would be arrested for not committing crimes.
    People are easy to incite into violence, especially in groups. The willingness to support violence when it is in one's interest to do so does not mean one supports lawlessness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    No, we've just effectively made wars limited to a small number of the population. There's no coverage of deaths and everything is worded nicely so the public isn't aware, all you have to do is look at presidential debates wars don't even make the topics. Even public wars like Afghanistan no one really cares because they aren't duty bound to fight, it's also the reason we sadly treat our veterans like shit when they come home.
    You just agreed with what I said....

    No coverage of deaths? Man, you have vastly different media in your area than around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The vastness of human history depends on when you consider humans to have begun to exist.
    No, it really doesn't. When people say "human history" they almost inevitably mean "recorded history".
    Human history, or recorded history, is the narrative of humanity's past.
    This means roughly 5000 years of civilization.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Further, I never said humans were always at war. When the masses no longer feel that supporting a war is in their best interest, they tend to rebel.
    Lulz. It's not "humans are not always at war", it's "humans are rarely ever at war". And we're not talking about there being a "declared" state of war for 100 years, we're talking about actual conflict.

    We tend to say "humans are always at war", but that's hyperbole, simply because we'd rather there be less war even than there is. It's like saying "I'm always spilling soup on my tie." It's not that it happens most of the time, it's that it happens fare more regularly than we're okay with.

    This whole line of defense of yours is just ridiculous. Has been from the start, really.


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