Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Themius]

Question:

If you aren't anti-fascist, what are you.

Pro hate groups.

[Endus]

Well I decided to come back and look at this today with a fresh perspective and, nope, still a waste of time.

I’m out. Have fun with your echo chamber guys.

So, you can't/won't engage with people who take issue with your arguments and break them down, who deliberately choose to post in a forum where they will regularly be confronted with such arguments by a myriad of posters, and you want to go stick to people who only agree with you.

And we're the ones seeking an echo chamber?

You're projecting.

[Saucexorzski]

Sure thing boo boo.

You know antifa means anti-facist right?

too bad that group is just a bunch of authetian left wingers who don't really care if you are a fascist or not, they just want to destroy anything related to capitalism, including the skulls of anyone who dares question them. Authoritarian Left wingers are no better than fascists. All Communists Are Bastards!

[Endus]

too bad that group is just a bunch of authetian left wingers who don't really care if you are a fascist or not, they just want to destroy anything related to capitalism, including the skulls of anyone who dares question them. Authoritarian Left wingers are no better than fascists. All Communists Are Bastards!

"Authoritarian left-wingers" are a fiction you invented in your own head. Antifa, in particular, are anarcho-communist in origin, which is about as far from "authoritarian" as it is possible to get.

I know you really like this particular bit of propaganda disinformation, but it's still and will always be a deliberate lie you use to conceal your actual issues.

[unfilteredJW]

too bad that group is just a bunch of authetian left wingers who don't really care if you are a fascist or not, they just want to destroy anything related to capitalism, including the skulls of anyone who dares question them. Authoritarian Left wingers are no better than fascists. All Communists Are Bastards!

No one cares about your headcanon.

[Saucexorzski]

"Authoritarian left-wingers" are a fiction you invented in your own head. Antifa, in particular, are anarcho-communist in origin, which is about as far from "authoritarian" as it is possible to get.

I know you really like this particular bit of propaganda disinformation, but it's still and will always be a deliberate lie you use to conceal your actual issues.

its a real thing that is still alive and well in the western world today and is why the resurgence of far right groups has arisen in retaliation to the harm and violence the authetian left has inflicted. You just happen to be part of the ideology and are sour that anyone would dare point our how it shares so may aspects of the fascists you claim to be against. that's the problem with collectivists and there collective ideologies. Racism, nationalism, socialism, communism, all suppress individualism and must resort to violence to suppress those individuals that will not kowtow.

[Endus]

its a real thing that is still alive and well in the western world today and is why the resurgence of far right groups has arisen in retaliation to the harm and violence the authetian left has inflicted. You just happen to be part of the ideology and are sour that anyone would dare point our how it shares so may aspects of the fascists you claim to be against. that's the problem with collectivists and there collective ideologies. Racism, nationalism, socialism, communism, all suppress individualism and must resort to violence to suppress those individuals that will not kowtow.

You can't show any such connection, because there isn't one. You're making all this shit up out of nothing but McCarthyist propaganda. It's literally all in your head. You may as well be talking about Reptiloids.

Which is why you'll never, ever get specific. Because you know you can't back any of this up. You're just trying to provide cover and support for the far-right terrorists, the ones who actually pose an identifiable and quantifiable threat.

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-conten...rorist-attacks
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

[shimerra]

You can't show any such connection, because there isn't one. You're making all this shit up out of nothing but McCarthyist propaganda. It's literally all in your head. You may as well be talking about Reptiloids.

Which is why you'll never, ever get specific. Because you know you can't back any of this up. You're just trying to provide cover and support for the far-right terrorists, the ones who actually pose an identifiable and quantifiable threat.

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-conten...rorist-attacks
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

What @Saucexorzski always seems to forget is that it was right wing boot lickers like him that voted Hitler and Musolini into power. Not the ebul Authoritarian left. Just as he turns a blind eye to all the efforts of the American right.

You certainly think very highly of yourself. I disagree. Calling me a liar because you made inferences about what I said is the same thing you're doing on a lot of these cases - jumping to the conclusion you want with insufficient evidence. That's why I'm leaving. There's no point having a discussion with people who are utterly convinced of their righteousness and can't even admit that their view is an opinion that others can disagree with - despite the existence of literally millions who disagree. The number of times someone on this forum has told me I'm wrong and comes up with a spurious logical argument, then calls me a racist, a liar, or something else, (or the classic "OMG YOU USED A WORD WRONG GOT YOU NOW") dwarfs the number of times I've seen someone say, "Ok, that's your opinion, but I think". That's why it's pointless.

The sad part is that you've also inured yourself from self reflection, because when it turns out these ironclad legal theories you've been spouting are wrong, you can just say, "Oh it's racism". There's no way to have a discussion with zealots.

You're either a liar or a moron. There are no other options. You've been soundly trounced but too dense or lost in your own lies to know it. And your reaction to being proven wrong is to double down in the most deliciously ironic way.

Put your cry baby victim card back in the deck and go play it where someone cares.

[Endus]

You certainly think very highly of yourself. I disagree. Calling me a liar because you made inferences about what I said is the same thing you're doing on a lot of these cases - jumping to the conclusion you want with insufficient evidence. That's why I'm leaving. There's no point having a discussion with people who are utterly convinced of their righteousness and can't even admit that their view is an opinion that others can disagree with - despite the existence of literally millions who disagree. The number of times someone on this forum has told me I'm wrong and comes up with a spurious logical argument, then calls me a racist, a liar, or something else, (or the classic "OMG YOU USED A WORD WRONG GOT YOU NOW") dwarfs the number of times I've seen someone say, "Ok, that's your opinion, but I think". That's why it's pointless.

The sad part is that you've also inured yourself from self reflection, because when it turns out these ironclad legal theories you've been spouting are wrong, you can just say, "Oh it's racism". There's no way to have a discussion with zealots.

You're still trying to make this about me, rather than about the facts of the case.

Because the facts don't line up the way you keep trying to force them to. This is all happening because you;

1> Claimed to have developed your position from a broad survey of legal sources,
2> Linked a couple sources that supported your position, and
3> Got angry when I pointed to even more sources that you'd clearly not considered and demonstrated that you clearly hadn't made such a broad survey, and had, in fact, cherry-picked sources which provided you the specific conclusion(s) you had pre-determined you wanted to hear.

You could've just admitted you didn't have as strong a grasp on the legal grounds as you thought, but you instead chose to make it a big personal attack that people might point out that you're wrong about stuff.

Frankly, I don't want to talk about your hurt feelings. I don't want to talk about myself, either, and wouldn't have had you not brought it up. I'd prefer to discuss the thread topic. Which means this is the last post I'm gonna make regarding your dissatisfaction.

[Bodakane]

its a real thing that is still alive and well in the western world today and is why the resurgence of far right groups has arisen in retaliation to the harm and violence the authetian left has inflicted. You just happen to be part of the ideology and are sour that anyone would dare point our how it shares so may aspects of the fascists you claim to be against. that's the problem with collectivists and there collective ideologies. Racism, nationalism, socialism, communism, all suppress individualism and must resort to violence to suppress those individuals that will not kowtow.

For the 80th fucking time provide concrete examples.

[JohnBrown1917]

Are back to thinking every use of violence is authortian?

[Felya]

Are back to thinking every use of violence is authortian?

It’s more of being the ones with authority, not recognizing their privilege.

I’m on a roll of telling people to check their privilege... so much easier than calling them spoiled brats, like I used to.

[Ivanstone]

Regarding the Breonna Taylor murder:
*Detective Joshua Jaynes filed for a bogus warrant after an investigation by the Public Integrity Unit.
*It was assumed that Taylor was receiving packages for her ex-boyfriend Jamarcus Glover, an alleged drug-dealer.
*Jaynes requested information from the Post Office and used a go-between at the Shively PD. Both the PO and the SPD said there was nothing suspicious. She was receiving packages for herself.
*Jaynes omits this information from his warrant request and therefore lied to the judge processing the warrant. This got Taylor killed, endangered her neighbours and risked the life of his fellow police officers by sending them into a dangerous situation.
*There's some suggestion that DA Danial Cameron knew about this and did not present it to the grand jury for indictment.

https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/breonn...458a23340.html

[Endus]

Regarding the Breonna Taylor murder:
*Detective Joshua Jaynes filed for a bogus warrant after an investigation by the Public Integrity Unit.
*It was assumed that Taylor was receiving packages for her ex-boyfriend Jamarcus Glover, an alleged drug-dealer.
*Jaynes requested information from the Post Office and used a go-between at the Shively PD. Both the PO and the SPD said there was nothing suspicious. She was receiving packages for herself.
*Jaynes omits this information from his warrant request and therefore lied to the judge processing the warrant. This got Taylor killed, endangered her neighbours and risked the life of his fellow police officers by sending them into a dangerous situation.
*There's some suggestion that DA Danial Cameron knew about this and did not present it to the grand jury for indictment.

https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/breonn...458a23340.html

See, this is what I was talking about. If the warrant was bogus (and it was), then the officer who sought it (Jaynes) should be charged, and those charges should include some measure of responsibility for Taylor's death (accessory charges or the like). If any of the officers serving that warrant knew what Jaynes had done, that demonstrates criminal conspiracy and premeditated intent, and they should be collectively charged with Taylor's first-degree murder (I'll allow they may not have, and this may effectively be akin to Jaynes "SWATing" someone). If Cameron knew about this and didn't present it to the grand jury, he should be charged as an accessory after the fact; a DA's responsibility should be to offer the grand jury all possible charges, and let the grand jury decide which are relevant.

At least the information here seems to clear the PO and the warrant-issuing judge, since they were respectively ignored and lied to.

[Edge-]

Regarding the Breonna Taylor murder:
*Detective Joshua Jaynes filed for a bogus warrant after an investigation by the Public Integrity Unit.
*It was assumed that Taylor was receiving packages for her ex-boyfriend Jamarcus Glover, an alleged drug-dealer.
*Jaynes requested information from the Post Office and used a go-between at the Shively PD. Both the PO and the SPD said there was nothing suspicious. She was receiving packages for herself.
*Jaynes omits this information from his warrant request and therefore lied to the judge processing the warrant. This got Taylor killed, endangered her neighbours and risked the life of his fellow police officers by sending them into a dangerous situation.
*There's some suggestion that DA Danial Cameron knew about this and did not present it to the grand jury for indictment.

https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/breonn...458a23340.html

We've had indications of this so far, but it's much more concrete now.

The cops actions directly led to Breonna Taylor's murder. Had they followed their own rules, not lied to judges (isn't that like, a crime even not under oath?), and not behaved recklessly and irresponsibly, she'd be alive.

The lot of them are incompetent liars who got an innocent woman killed because of their lies and incompetence. Bare minimum, fire the lot of them and they can never wear a badge.

Oh yeah, and impeach the DA and make sure he never works in a public legal position ever again.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/u....co/vfHoFzXxW2

National and state officials are calling for an investigation after a Black jogger recorded himself being stopped and questioned by immigration agents this week in his Boston neighborhood.

The jogger, Bena Apreala, 29, was not arrested during the stop on Tuesday, but after his video was shared widely, lawmakers and officials condemned the encounter and called the footage disturbing.

Mr. Apreala, a Massachusetts real estate agent, told the Boston radio station WBUR that the men did not identify themselves as law enforcement and questioned him about his identity when they approached him.

“These guys just hopped out in full camouflage uniforms with masks over their face and stopped me,” Mr. Apreala said, according to the station, adding that the agents told him to identify himself. “I was confused as to whether or not they were even legitimate authority.”

He recorded the end of the episode in a short video — less than a minute long — that was later uploaded to Facebook. The beginning of the video shows at least three U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents letting Mr. Apreala go before asking him whether he had any tattoos on his arms — “just so we can confirm, and we’ll be out of here.”

In the video, Mr. Apreala asks the men: “Am I free to go? Do I have to show you? If I’m free to go, then I’m not showing you anything.” He then declined to show them his arms and walked away.

“Man, did you see the feds tried to stop me?” he says in the video. “ICE tried to stop me in my own neighborhood, bro.”

The episode took place in West Roxbury, a neighborhood of tree-lined streets and mostly single-family homes in the southwest corner of Boston.

Disband ICE.

[Yadryonych]

Disband ICE.

Why though? For demanding to show tattoos? This actually works, making tattoos punishable was one of the measures that helped to decimate the notorious Yakuza to a pale shadow of its former self

[unfilteredJW]

Why though? For demanding to show tattoos? This actually works, making tattoos punishable was one of the measures that helped to decimate the notorious Yakuza to a pale shadow of its former self

If that's what you took away from the exchange, reread and study a bit.

Then you can come back to the adults table.

[shimerra]

Why though? For demanding to show tattoos? This actually works, making tattoos punishable was one of the measures that helped to decimate the notorious Yakuza to a pale shadow of its former self

Try reading the article. Christ even that short blurb contains some pretty damming actions. To stop someone they have to have probable cause and in most cases identify themselves. You saying you don't take issue with cops stopping random people and forcing them to expose skin essentially on a whim? Also let me further blow your mind: ICE is extremely new. Not even 20 years old and was only created in a post 9/11 reaction. Zero evidence it has effectively increased our safety or efficiency over the previous agencies that handled their duties. What's next you going to excuse Joe Apiro for imprisoning's citizens illegally for long periods of time in his zeal to hunt down illegals?

Your leap to the Yakuza is the wildest and most idiotic of leaps ever undertaken. Seriously I think you should PM me your contact info so I can provide it to the courts to appoint a conservator over your affairs. You clearly do not have an IQ high enough to be trusted with financial independance.

[Edge-]

Why though?

You can always pop open the full article in private browsing if you don't have a NYT subscription and learn more yourself.

[Ivanstone]

Why though? For demanding to show tattoos? This actually works, making tattoos punishable was one of the measures that helped to decimate the notorious Yakuza to a pale shadow of its former self

The Yakuza tattoo's were re-legalized after WWII. The Yakuza were at their height during the 1960s. Therefore the legality of tattoo's have nothing to do with their decline. The Japanese government simply made an effort to attenuate certain activities to inhibit their growth. Furthermore, young people since the 60s simply have less interest in joining them.

The Yakuza are still very prominent in Japanese society in both legal and illegal activities. Sometimes they even help people after earthquakes!

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Maybe you should go petition the Russian government to get them to legislate against tattoos. Or would that hurt Putin's buddies too much?