Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Felya]

Right Wingers like Andy Ngo and all the pathetic Trumper Grifters are already blaming antifa for the Indigenous Day of Rage.

It’s like them publishing an article about Trump dominating at the debates, hours before the debate started. Maybe like one of their senators that forgot to remove the ‘canned response for after debate’ from her congratulating Trump on his dominance.

[Deus Mortis]

So this security guard is probably going to be fucked. First you have to have identification and it appears he does not have any. Then we have the stills.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/11/secur...rado-13406203/

Security guard reaching for the now dead persons gun. Which seems to have prompted the slap/mace.


The Maceing


The arrest


Image of dead guys weapon.


Edit: Moments right before the shooting.
https://leakreality.com/video/11143/shoot-motherfucker

So another event with someone saying "shoot me nigga", someone reaching for a gun and someone being shot. People need to calm the hell down.

[downnola]

So this security guard is probably going to be fucked. First you have to have identification and it appears he does not have any. Then we have the stills.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/11/secur...rado-13406203/

Security guard reaching for the now dead persons gun. Which seems to have prompted the slap/mace.

*snip

Looks like self-defense to me if we go by the logic of the last 200 pages of Rittenhouse wankery (pro tip: it's not).

[Spectral]

So this security guard is probably going to be fucked. First you have to have identification and it appears he does not have any. Then we have the stills.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/11/secur...rado-13406203/<snip>.

I can't see what happened from these shots. This Getty Images folder has a bunch more photographic evidence in it, but still leaves me unclear on who does what first. Clearly there's an escalation of force that starts with a verbal altercation, escalates to a shove, a reach for a gun, a slap, pepper spray, then a shooting. I cannot discern from that who initiated the confrontation or the physical force. The shooting itself does look disproportionate, but even that isn't entirely obvious to me depending on what's happening in between the still shots.

People are seeing what they want to see in Denver.

[Bodakane]

The guy who did the shooting deserves jail. Just like the cops that shoot unarmed black people or choke them. Just like Rittenhouse. Just like Zimmerman.

Guilt in wrongdoing, especially when someone ends up dead should never be political, but the way Trump supporters are basically furiously masturbating at the chance to play victim is disgusting and typical.

[Kathandira]

So another event with someone saying "shoot me nigga", someone reaching for a gun and someone being shot. People need to calm the hell down.

Sort of. The person saying "Shoot me" wasn't the one shooting or being shot.

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https://leakreality.com/video/11143/shoot-motherfucker

I appreciate the video, but goodness gracious...that site should be on the FBI watch list to keep an eye on those commenters.

[Deus Mortis]

Sort of. The person saying "Shoot me" wasn't the one shooting or being shot.

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I appreciate the video, but goodness gracious...that site should be on the FBI watch list to keep an eye on those commenters.

Agreed, I hated having to link it from there but I couldn't seem to find an uncensored video on youtube. I always prefer to link raw video if possible.

[Kathandira]

Agreed, I hated having to link it from there but I couldn't seem to find an uncensored video on youtube. I always prefer to link raw video if possible.

Totally. Not blaming you. Just something I noticed that was really alarming.

[Kathandira]

Just took a look at that site, to see how bad it could possibly be..... What an eye-opener O_O

One of the more tame comments/conspiracies I saw:


Space Invaders is fucking ANTIFA now? Good lord.

Totally, I got through all the comments on the video and it was quite alarming.

All of this is a direct result of the rapidly shrinking white demographic in America. It's only going to get worse.

Traitors deserve the rope.

...Fuckin loud mouth repetitive niggers... As soon as their voices get raise and they start repeating, they should be shot...

Annihilate ALL treasonous LefTurd vermin!!!

The FBI should be watching each of these posters.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I find it pretty funny that right wingers pretend to care about the media when it's convenient to garner them "Haha look how much of a good guy I am and look how violent the left is!" points. What happened to all media is biased and nobody should believe anything? Or perhaps they believe that the only media that should be believed are right wing grifters selling false facts to fools.

[Aurrora]

Looks like self-defense to me if we go by the logic of the last 200 pages of Rittenhouse wankery (pro tip: it's not).

Yes, it is self defense on the victim's part because the attacker is attempting to grab his weapon, the same as it's self defense in Kyle's case.

[postman1782]

Yes, it is self defense on the victim's part because the attacker is attempting to grab his weapon, the same as it's self defense in Kyle's case.

You haven't watched any of the videos then in Kyle's case.

[breadisfunny]

I'd like to hope they already are.

wouldn't that be more the domain of the nsa not the fbi? i thought the fbi only gets involved ONCE a investigation has been started not before. they don't have the resources to be watching everything all the time.

[Antiganon]

wouldn't that be more the domain of the nsa not the fbi? i thought the fbi only gets involved ONCE a investigation has been started not before. they don't have the resources to be watching everything all the time.

NSA is under the State department, dealing primarily with spycraft and foreign threats.

FBI is under the Justice department, they are just federal cops.

For the NSA to be involved, these would have to be domestic groups with foreign backing.

[Machismo]

NSA is under the State department, dealing primarily with spycraft and foreign threats.

FBI is under the Justice department, they are just federal cops.

For the NSA to be involved, these would have to be domestic groups with foreign backing.

The NSA falls under the DoD, and their guidance and restrictions comes from them.

But yes, the NSA would have no real handling of a domestic terror group, or even random posters calling for violence (assuming they are American). That falls to the FBI.

[eschatological]

NSA could certainly help the FBI with SIGINT, but it would have to be an FBI led investigation basically only using NSA tools. Thanks Patriot Act!

[Edge-]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/u...-reinoehl.html

In interviews with 22 people who were near the scene, all but one said they did not hear officers identify themselves or give any commands before opening fire. In their official statements, not yet made public, the officers offered differing accounts of whether they saw Mr. Reinoehl with a weapon. One told investigators he thought he saw Mr. Reinoehl raise a gun inside the vehicle before the firing began, but two others said they did not.

Mr. Reinoehl did have a .380-caliber handgun on him when he was killed, according to the county sheriff’s team that is running a criminal homicide investigation into Mr. Reinoehl’s death. But the weapon was found in his pocket.

An AR-style rifle was found apparently untouched in a bag in his car.

Five eyewitnesses said in interviews that the gunfire began the instant the vehicles arrived. None of them saw Mr. Reinoehl holding a weapon. A single shell casing of the same caliber as the handgun he was carrying was found inside his car.

Garrett Louis, who watched the shooting begin while trying to get his 8-year-old son out of the line of fire, said the officers arrived with such speed and violence that he initially assumed they were drug dealers gunning down a foe — until he saw their law enforcement vests.

“I respect cops to the utmost, but things were definitely in no way, shape or form done properly,” Mr. Louis said.

Conflicting eyewitness testimony on the shooting of Reinoehl, the protesters who killed a Trump supporter. Most are saying that cops did not identify themselves and that they did not see Reinoehl with a weapon in his hand when he was shot.

[postman1782]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/u...-reinoehl.html



Conflicting eyewitness testimony on the shooting of Reinoehl, the protesters who killed a Trump supporter. Most are saying that cops did not identify themselves and that they did not see Reinoehl with a weapon in his hand when he was shot.

Wasn't this already listed as a Homicide from the coroner's report? https://www.king5.com/article/news/l...2-90697cce4732

[Endus]

Wasn't this already listed as a Homicide from the coroner's report? https://www.king5.com/article/news/l...2-90697cce4732

Literally any case where one human being is responsible for the death of another human being is a "homicide". If a mass shooter is gunning down schoolchildren, and a police officer shoots him mid-spree, that's a "homicide". It says nothing at all about whether the killing is justified or not; it simply refers to the fact that the cause of death was the action of another.

Yes, it is self defense on the victim's part because the attacker is attempting to grab his weapon, the same as it's self defense in Kyle's case.

Literally not a position that would justify lethal force by itself, anywhere that I'm aware of, and certainly not in most US states.

You're trying to suggest that if an officer tries to grab a suspect's weapon, that suspect is legally justified in shooting the officer dead? That's what you're saying, here. If you don't agree with that, then you don't actually believe what you wrote.

[eschatological]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/u...-reinoehl.html



Conflicting eyewitness testimony on the shooting of Reinoehl, the protesters who killed a Trump supporter. Most are saying that cops did not identify themselves and that they did not see Reinoehl with a weapon in his hand when he was shot.

I think I said it on the day he died, that these cops just straight up executed him so that he could never tell his side of the story. Not that his side of the story could justify how he shot the Patriot Prayer dude unless the PP guy maced first (which is hard to determine in any of the video I've seen). It was fishy from the beginning.