Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Edge-]

Don't think I'm not mortified.

The other tenants I've discussed it with are just as appalled, but there's little we can do.

I mean...there are options...not entirely legal or polite options, but there are options.

Like leaving flaming bags of shit on his doorstep every night.

[Breccia]

Kyle Rittenhouse bail set for $2 million for crossing state lines to hunt humans for sport.

[omeomorfismo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak..._start_fights/

All cops are bastards, and apparently the same goes for Trump supporters.

Jesus fucking christ, what the fuck happened to these people that made them so angry, violent, aggressive, and genuinely awful?

rotfl, i read this

The supreme court ruled a long time ago that police are not obligated to protect you by responding when you call for it.

in the comments, its true?

[Edge-]

rotfl, i read this


in the comments, its true?

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...o-protect.html

WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

The decision, with an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado. The appeals court had permitted a lawsuit to proceed against a Colorado town, Castle Rock, for the failure of the police to respond to a woman's pleas for help after her estranged husband violated a protective order by kidnapping their three young daughters, whom he eventually killed.

Depressingly, yes it is.

In overturning that ruling in an opinion by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, the majority said the appeals court had abused its discretion in an "extraordinary departure from standard appellate procedures." Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Sandra Day O'Connor joined the opinion.

In a dissenting opinion, Justice Stephen G. Breyer said the majority had relied on rules to the exclusion of justice. Judges need a "degree of discretion, thereby providing oil for the rule-based gears," he said. Justices Stevens, Ginsburg and David H. Souter joined the dissent.

And the votes at the time went exactly as one would imagine.

Hence why a great many of us continue to argue that there are systemic problems within policing that need to be addressed. Like the fact that they apparently of the discretion to simply not do their jobs that the taxpayers pay them to do.

[omeomorfismo]

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...o-protect.html



Depressingly, yes it is.



And the votes at the time went exactly as one would imagine.

Hence why a great many of us continue to argue that there are systemic problems within policing that need to be addressed. Like the fact that they apparently of the discretion to simply not do their jobs that the taxpayers pay them to do.

wait

Gonzales did not have a "property interest" in enforcing the restraining order, Justice Scalia said, adding that "such a right would not, of course, resemble any traditional conception of property."

did I get it right? the US police exists to protect properties above humans?
damn, im so glad to be born in the right side of atlantic

[Edge-]

wait

did I get it right? the US police exists to protect properties above humans?
damn, im so glad to be born in the right side of atlantic

I'm no lawyer so far from the best person to ask but...

Her case was based on the 14th Amendment, specifically section 1 -

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Basically arguing that the Amendment required the police, Constitutionally, to protect her on her property.

Honestly, and this is a total layman opinion, it's an interesting theory to base your case on given that there was prior precedent that basically said the same thing -

A 1989 decision, DeShaney v. Winnebago County, held that the failure by county social service workers to protect a young boy from a beating by his father did not breach any substantive constitutional duty. By framing her case as one of process rather than substance, Ms. Gonzales and her lawyers hoped to find a way around that precedent.

If I'm reading correctly in the article (don't have the time to read the full opinions), precedent already stated that she didn't have a case (which is bullshit), and the Scalia opinion is on purely Constitutional grounds that the 14th Amendment doesn't provide that specific protection.

Basically, cops can fail at their jobs and "decide" not to do them, even if their salaries are paid by taxpayers, and that's totally fine. Because this country continues to have massive, widespread systemic issues with law enforcement.

[Antiganon]

I could almost buy that ruling, on the grounds that the reverse would open the door for people to sue police departments and/or local governments any time a crime wasn't prevented...


But there was a protective order in place, meaning everyone involved knew full well the risk this man posed to his estranged family, and they are negligent for failing to enforce the law (a protective order, handed down by a judge, IS the law).

[eschatological]

Kyle Rittenhouse bail set for $2 million for crossing state lines to hunt humans for sport.

You usually only have to put up 10% to secure your release, I'm sure the right wing grift community has already raised 200k for him in a GoFundMe.

[Bodakane]

You usually only have to put up 10% to secure your release, I'm sure the right wing grift community has already raised 200k for him in a GoFundMe.

Which means he'll only get $200 fo that towards his legal fund.

[Edge-]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentuck...hitler-quotes/

The Kentucky State police commissioner resigned from his position Monday after a report surfaced that the department used a training slideshow that included quotes from Adolf Hitler, officials said. Rodney Brewer's resignation will go into effect on Wednesday.

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Kentucky Police Academy used a training slideshow as recently as 2013 that advocated for violence during altercations and instructed cadets to be "ruthless in their actions." The news of the slideshow was first reported by journalists at the Manual Red Eye, the student publication at duPont Manual High School in Louisville.

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According to the Manual Red Eye report, Hitler is the most quoted historical figure in the entire presentation, which also encourages cadets to have "a mindset void of emotion" and to "meet violence with greater violence." One slide reads, "Be the loving father, spouse, and friend as well as the ruthless killer."

Reminder that there are deep rooted, systemic issues within law enforcement in the US.

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https://aclu-or.org/en/press-release...-protests-were

A report released Monday evening by the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General revealed DHS officers deployed to Portland this summer did not have the authority to act as law enforcement officers. The DHS officers were deployed under a statutory provision relating to federal property protection and included agents from Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE), U.S. Customs & Border Protection (CBP), and others.

The Inspector General report found that many of the DHS officers who engaged in unconstitutional and violent attacks on protesters, press, legal observers, and bystanders were not properly authorized to be deployed for property protection to begin with. The Inspector General also found that some of these improperly-deployed federal agents had not even complied with DHS’s own process for designation as officers to protect property and that some of these agents used force on community members.

LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!

[postman1782]

You usually only have to put up 10% to secure your release, I'm sure the right wing grift community has already raised 200k for him in a GoFundMe.

I don't think GoFundMe can be used as a source for court cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoFundMe

In 2015, GoFundMe announced that the site would no longer support legal defense funds on their platform. The news came after the site suspended funding for the defense of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, a bakery that was fined for refusing to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding.[24] As of November 2017, GoFundMe's terms and conditions allow for campaigns for certain kinds of legal defense.[25]

[Edge-]

https://council.nyc.gov/press/wp-con...1-5-20-1-1.pdf

NYPD officer outed as prolific online troll and racist/sexist piece of shit following an investigation. Sounds like hopefully "Former" NYPD Deputy Inspector James Francis Kobel should be unemployed pretty soon.

[Masark]

The guy who bought the gun for Rittenhouse has now been charged. Two counts of intentionally giving a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 causing death, with a maximum sentence of 12 years.

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/loc...ea87de66c.html

https://waow.com/2020/11/09/gun-used...plaint-states/

[postman1782]

The guy who bought the gun for Rittenhouse has now been charged. Two counts of intentionally giving a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 causing death, with a maximum sentence of 12 years.

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/loc...ea87de66c.html

https://waow.com/2020/11/09/gun-used...plaint-states/

I was reading this earlier, but I heard he was facing 25 years, guessing 25 years for both counts combined.

This article says 25 years for the crime. https://wgntv.com/news/man-charged-w...enosha-unrest/

And he knew it was illegal to give it to the 17 year old, which is basically saying he is screwed.

[jonnysensible]

something vaguely related to this thread, i remember reading 'how can they be white supremacists there are black people in the group (also used with boogs)

https://twitter.com/berkeleyantifa/s...81309211009025


whens rittenhouses trial now?

[Mormolyce]

wait

did I get it right? the US police exists to protect properties above humans?
damn, im so glad to be born in the right side of atlantic

Welcome to 2020, where the quiet part is shouted from the rooftops.

It's been affirmed many times, one was during Parkland:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...217-story.html

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something vaguely related to this thread, i remember reading 'how can they be white supremacists there are black people in the group (also used with boogs)

https://twitter.com/berkeleyantifa/s...81309211009025


whens rittenhouses trial now?

Just making my daily post about Dan Burros, the Jewish head of the American Nazi Party in the 60s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros

Also Hitler's SA (street thugs who beat up and intimidated Commies for the NSDAP, basically the exact forerunners of the Proud Boys) was full of homosexuals, right the way to the top (Ernst Röhm). They used to constantly stress that they were gay but they weren't, you know, like those gays. When they ceased to be useful Hitler had them all killed in the Night of the Long Knives.

[Edge-]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/w...cology-scandal

So...remember the women in ICE detention centers claiming that ICE illegally had surgery done on them without their consent?

Yeah, ICE is deporting them now. I wonder why.

[Thepersona]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/w...cology-scandal

So...remember the women in ICE detention centers claiming that ICE illegally had surgery done on them without their consent?

Yeah, ICE is deporting them now. I wonder why.

In a decent country, the star and stripes mengeles should be sent to jail. Permanently.

[Endus]

In a decent country, the star and stripes mengeles should be sent to jail. Permanently.

They should be extradited to the home country of whatever nation whose citizens they were brutalizing, to be prosecuted and serve out their sentences there. Assuming those nations are willing to take them; we can't farm them off. But the offer should be made.

[Edge-]

https://www.businessinsider.com/kidn...g-says-2020-11

Cool, so the domestic terrorists that wanted to "arrest" Governor Whitmer and leave her stranded on a disabled boat in the middle of the lake, also wanted to burn down the capitol building.

How are these not domestic terrorists, again?

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https://www.vox.com/2020/11/12/21562...risoners-death

And because it's topical to justice reform: 80% of inmates in Texas prisons who died of covid had not been convicted of a crime.

People are literally dying while waiting for their day in court because our justice system is so completely fucking broken.