Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Specialka]

Maybe know the case before talking.

So it was one of the raider, the one that got the warrant ?

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Spezialka, you go to great length defending a murderer. Have you ever actually thought about the case and put yourself in Breonnas point of view?

Did you put yourself in one of the Police officer point of view ?

[Bodakane]

So it was one of the raider, the one that got the warrant ?

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Did you put yourself in one of the Police officer point of view ?

The ones that purposely and willfully got a shitty warrant and went after the wrong person then didn’t announce and then blindly shot into an apartment? That point of view?

[Specialka]

The ones that purposely and willfully got a shitty warrant and went after the wrong person then didn’t announce and then blindly shot into an apartment? That point of view?

Again, are the ones that raided the ones that got the warrant ? Or was it someone else and they just executed orders ?

[Twdft]

Spezi uses deflection, works perfectly.

I think I was about 5 when I learned you shouldn't answer a question with a question. Have a nice day, there is no point hat all to argue with you.

[Specialka]

Spezi uses deflection, works perfectly.

I think I was about 5 when I learned you shouldn't answer a question with a question. Have a nice day, there is no point hat all to argue with you.

Do not ask useless question then. Does a judge put himself in the place of the victim or the accused ?

[Themius]

Do not ask useless question then. Does a judge put himself in the place of the victim or the accused ?

Yes.... now why is it so hard for you to just admit you don’t give a fuck about black lives or police brutality against them and just fuck off the thread?

[Specialka]

Yes.... now why is it so hard for you to just admit you don’t give a fuck about black lives or police brutality against them and just fuck off the thread?

I do not give a fuck about what you think if that makes you feel any better, that's for sure.

[Easo]

So for them, she was the one shooting at them.

You do realize that they cannot not be aware that if they are breaking in unannounced (as said by witnesses and, IIRC, lack of any audio proof by cops to the opposite) then the owners of the appartment have full legal rights to open fire as per the law? Read, it does not matter if fire is returned, as long as you do not break in according to the procedure. Cops have to know that. It is their job to know that. Yet they took this dumb risk (in a country where there are more guns than people which makes it double dumb as the risk of someone shooting at you is tangible)...

How, again, is the appartment owners at fault in this case, then?

[Specialka]

You do realize that they cannot not be aware that if they are breaking in unannounced (as said by witnesses and, IIRC, lack of any audio proof by cops to the opposite) then the owners of the appartment have full legal rights to open fire as per the law? Read, it does not matter if fire is returned, as long as you do not break in according to the procedure. Cops have to know that. It is their job to know that. Yet they took this dumb risk (in a country where there are more guns than people which makes it double dumb as the risk of someone shooting at you is tangible)...

How, again, is the appartment owners at fault in this case, then?

I find troubling that the Police Officers would take that risk because everyone can be armed and they have the right to shoot intruder, as you said. So why the risk ?

And was it a no knock warrant ?

[Felya]

Did you put yourself in one of the Police officer point of view ?

Yes, and I wouldn’t lie...

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I find troubling that the Police Officers would take that risk because everyone can be armed and they have the right to shoot intruder, as you said. So why the risk ?

Because the second Amendment doesn’t give a shit about their feelings. Because when people choose between blue lives and guns, they choose guns. So... please... unless you are willing to argue against the second Amendment, you can stop with the scared cop bullshit... you don’t care.

[downnola]

Because those raiding the apartment were most probably not the one getting the warrant using those false information and for them, it was totally legit.

Is there a police shooting of a black American that you don't like? Every post of yours in this thread is you defending police brutality against black americans and violence against BLM protesters.

[Specialka]

Yes, and I wouldn’t lie...

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Because the second Amendment doesn’t give a shit about their feelings. Because when people choose between blue lives and guns, they choose guns. So... please... unless you are willing to argue against the second Amendment, you can stop with the scared cop bullshit... you don’t care.

When I was trained in a military school, I was told that as soon as I wore an uniform, I would become a target. And I live in a country with far more gun restriction than the USA. And yes, I find the 2A stupid. Guns has no place in the street/home in the hand of civilian.

[Elegiac]

When I was trained in a military school, I was told that as soon as I wore an uniform, I would become a target.

Gee I wonder why the French of all people have a proclivity for disliking uniformed figures representing the state's monopoly of violence.

[Themius]

When I was trained in a military school, I was told that as soon as I wore an uniform, I would become a target. And I live in a country with far more gun restriction than the USA. And yes, I find the 2A stupid. Guns has no place in the street/home in the hand of civilian.

Not from this country but lecturing people from this country. Why is your opinion worth more than the trace amounts of dog shit on my trainers?

[Felya]

When I was trained in a military school, I was told that as soon as I wore an uniform, I would become a target. And I live in a country with far more gun restriction than the USA. And yes, I find the 2A stupid. Guns has no place in the street/home in the hand of civilian.

You just claimed that civilians are equivalent to a military combatant. Do you see any problem with that? Did you have any protocols about civilians, as enemy combatants?

[Antiganon]

I find troubling that the Police Officers would take that risk because everyone can be armed and they have the right to shoot intruder, as you said. So why the risk ?

And was it a no knock warrant ?

You've been told this a dozen times in this thread already.

[Bodakane]

Again, are the ones that raided the ones that got the warrant ? Or was it someone else and they just executed orders ?

Oh you're right. The people in the apartment should have first asked the people breaking down the door if they were police.......and then asked if they had a warrant......and then asked if they were the specific cops that got the bad warrant.....

All you've done, is argue that innocent civilians should be held to higher standards and stronger rules and laws than the police.

That is not just stupid and unAmerican, but literally facist.

[Endus]

So it was one of the raider, the one that got the warrant ?

To make this point clear;

That there are more people who share in the wrongdoing that led to this death does not in any way whatsoever reduce the culpability of the officer who shot Taylor and killed her.

Your argument here is like arguing that the hitman who killed a target for his boss shouldn't be blamed, because his boss is the one who ordered the hit. Inevitably followed up, of course, by arguing that the mob boss can't be blamed, because he wasn't physically there. It's not a valid defense. In the real world, legal culpability for acts like this can be freely expanded to cover everyone involved, and doing so does not reduce the culpability of any single individual under that umbrella, just because it's being shared.

[Noxx79]

I do not give a fuck about what you think if that makes you feel any better, that's for sure.

Awesome. Glad you admit you’re a troll.

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Well, they did not see Breonna Taylor or did they ? If they did not, can we say they intended to kill her, as per your reasoning ?

When you fire blindly into an apartment, the intent is to kill whoever is the way of the bullets. Not caring about collateral damage is intent to kill.

If I shut my eyes and drive down the sidewalk, I’m guilty of murdering everyone I hit.

Goddamn you’re dense, or willfully idiotic.

Stop sea lioning, troll.

[Easo]

I find troubling that the Police Officers would take that risk because everyone can be armed and they have the right to shoot intruder, as you said. So why the risk ?

And was it a no knock warrant ?

I asked YOU why the risk of breaking in unnanounced.

Yes, it was a no knock warrant.

Not from this country but lecturing people from this country. Why is your opinion worth more than the trace amounts of dog shit on my trainers?

Lecturing by itself is not wrong and it does not matter if someone is from a different country. Most people should be aware by this point that the USA is seen as a joke regarding obsession with guns/gun laws and for a reason.
Before you go REEEEEE let me note that I am not exactly supporting his way of lecturing, in case you can't tell.