Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Edge-]

Really sad that they don't allow anyone but flaired users only on most of their shitty posts, but then again, the so called "free speech warriors" don't like to be criticized by free speech all that often.

It's hilarious because their reasoning behind it is that they get brigaded by all the libs on /r/politics.

Their justification is literally that their ideas and beliefs and opinions are super unpopular outside of their echo chamber and they can't tolerate that for some reason. It's such an amusing little set of contradictions that's a pretty perfect encapsulation of the modern Republican party.

[postman1782]

I love Cruz complaining, Biden just hoped for the "right" verdict. He never specified what it was.

Man, Republicans are just desperate to defend a cop who got convicted of murdering a man.

Exactly, meanwhile, he didn't say shit about when Trump was responding to things like the little shit that is Kyle Rittenhouse, and probably dozens of others he commented on.

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I would think that they could only sentence for the most severe charge?

Not true, since he was found guilty of all of the charges, I think he can be sentenced for all of the charges.

Ah, guess I was wrong. https://www.minnpost.com/metro/2021/...es%20on%20them.

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It's hilarious because their reasoning behind it is that they get brigaded by all the libs on /r/politics.

Their justification is literally that their ideas and beliefs and opinions are super unpopular outside of their echo chamber and they can't tolerate that for some reason. It's such an amusing little set of contradictions that's a pretty perfect encapsulation of the modern Republican party.

Not surprising. There is a reason that people are leaving the Republican party in droves.

[Edge-]

quick question... what would have happened if a citizen killed chauvin with a gun to stop him from killing george?

They'd be charged with murder, likely. And if they tackled him, with assault and battery (assumed enhanced charges for the victim being a law enforcement officer).

Nice little catch 22, ain't it? The only people who can stop a bad cop like this, is a good cop. Shame there were 4 officers there at the scene and not a single good cop to be found.

[postman1782]

quick question... what would have happened if a citizen killed chauvin with a gun to stop him from killing george?

They probably would have gotten 1st degree murder, and probably a dozen other charges, if they made it to the police station alive.

[Edge-]

Stealing from @cubby

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/s...70554205990917

White guy in a truck rams police cars, drives off with an officer hanging on whom apparently fell off and was dragged as the driver hit him with a hammer, all over a dispute about masks.

No tasers. No guns mistaken for tasers. No guns at all. Hell, reporting suggests they didn't even assault him.

This is a perfect example of the difference in how law enforcement, nationally, treat Black and white suspects. Duante Wright was killed after being pulled over for having air fresheners in his car, this guy is in jail seemingly without a scratch despite literally vehicular assault, and assault with a deadly weapon.

[PickleballAce]

Good...Chauvin doesn't deserve freedom. Step right up, Kim Potter!

[postman1782]

Stealing from @cubby

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/s...70554205990917

White guy in a truck rams police cars, drives off with an officer hanging on whom apparently fell off and was dragged as the driver hit him with a hammer, all over a dispute about masks.

No tasers. No guns mistaken for tasers. No guns at all. Hell, reporting suggests they didn't even assault him.

This is a perfect example of the difference in how law enforcement, nationally, treat Black and white suspects. Duante Wright was killed after being pulled over for having air fresheners in his car, this guy is in jail seemingly without a scratch despite literally vehicular assault, and assault with a deadly weapon.

Yep, I have seen lots of accounts where cops literally have kid gloves with white people, maybe pulling their guns on them, but never firing, even when trying to run cops over with cars and whatnot.

But a black guy, even complying still gets assaulted and/or shot/killed. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=234553247681967

In fact, there is the video, he is complying and the cop behind him comes up and kicks him in the back. This happened last year in March. And the cops said they were "investigating" themselves.

[Very Tired]

Stealing from @cubby

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/s...70554205990917

White guy in a truck rams police cars, drives off with an officer hanging on whom apparently fell off and was dragged as the driver hit him with a hammer, all over a dispute about masks.

No tasers. No guns mistaken for tasers. No guns at all. Hell, reporting suggests they didn't even assault him.

This is a perfect example of the difference in how law enforcement, nationally, treat Black and white suspects. Duante Wright was killed after being pulled over for having air fresheners in his car, this guy is in jail seemingly without a scratch despite literally vehicular assault, and assault with a deadly weapon.

I don't really get this angle. Duante Wright was killed because some idiot cop mistook her gun for a taser. The exchange didn't suggest it had anything to do with the color of anyone's skin.

And I highly doubt any trigger happy cops are going to care if they share the same race with a criminal who's pointing a gun at them, or threatening them via truck-hanging-on. Are the cops supposed to risk being shot because they think the criminal is on the same team as them?

[Felya]

Crowder is already rambling on twitter about cops leaving the force.

Good... maybe the scarcity vs demand, they will increase pay... I would love to be a cop, if the pay was similar to what I earn now... which is never going to happen...

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And I highly doubt any trigger happy cops are going to care if they share the same race with a criminal who's pointing a gun at them, or threatening them via truck-hanging-on. Are the cops supposed to risk being shot because they think the criminal is on the same team as them?

Based on what Edge posted, that’s simply not true... it seems like you squeezed “ threatening them via truck-hanging-on” after you finished the post... because the two outcomes were very different.

[Edge-]

I don't really get this angle. Duante Wright was killed because some idiot cop mistook her gun for a taser. The exchange didn't suggest it had anything to do with the color of anyone's skin.

Situation was arguably similar, if not less bad (despite his warrants) as he had yet to you know, even assault a cop like this guy did by driving into their vehicles.

It speaks to how quickly cops escalate with people of color compared to white people.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/12/05/ohio-...reatens-shoot/

Because this is hardly an isolated incident. Is it overt racism? Unlikely in every instance, but there may be some. Is it a massive expression of subtle bias? Yeah, probably. And it has literally deadly effects for people of color.

[Ivanstone]

Based on what Edge posted, that’s simply not true... it seems like you squeezed “ threatening them via truck-hanging-on” after you finished the post... because the two outcomes were very different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings

If they can arrest this dude, who actively tried to assassinate cops, I'm sure they can put in a little bit of effort to not kill other people.

[Ripster42]

I don't really get this angle. Duante Wright was killed because some idiot cop mistook her gun for a taser. The exchange didn't suggest it had anything to do with the color of anyone's skin.

And I highly doubt any trigger happy cops are going to care if they share the same race with a criminal who's pointing a gun at them, or threatening them via truck-hanging-on. Are the cops supposed to risk being shot because they think the criminal is on the same team as them?

Why'd she pull her gun in the first place? What bias made her take out her gun instead of her tazer? Why go to that step in the use of force spectrum at all? The entire police encounter was over a non-violent warrant. Compare that to a guy who assaulted a cop with a deadly weapon. That's a violent felony in case you were wondering. Pretty sure the use of at least a tazer in that instance was justified, yes? Why the disparity in use of force, even if we accept that she meant to taze him instead of shoot him? Is the guy hitting a cop with a hammer complying with police orders?

You still have a problem with the fact that she killed someone, and should still face prison for it. If you're so careless in the application of force, it's negligence.

[Edge-]

The entire police encounter was over a non-violent warrant.

Predicated on a police stop for...air fresheners in his window. Like, this cannot be understated how beyond fucked up it is that this is a legal cause for "reasonable suspicion" to stop and potentially search a vehicle.

[postman1782]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings

If they can arrest this dude, who actively tried to assassinate cops, I'm sure they can put in a little bit of effort to not kill other people.

Yep, it is amazing how quickly they escalate for someone even running away, that doesn't pose a threat, but will often take white mass shooters into custody, even treating them to fast food before being booked.

[downnola]

Good... maybe the scarcity vs demand, they will increase pay... I would love to be a cop, if the pay was similar to what I earn now... which is never going to happen...

Very centrist and independent.

[Edge-]

Very centrist and independent.

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1384642632916344832

Edit: Seems like he's all over the place with his takes today and this is a painfully vague tweet. Like, it genuinely seems like two people are fighting over control of the damned account.

[Very Tired]

Why'd she pull her gun in the first place? What bias made her take out her gun instead of her tazer? Why go to that step in the use of force spectrum at all? The entire police encounter was over a non-violent warrant. Compare that to a guy who assaulted a cop with a deadly weapon. That's a violent felony in case you were wondering. Pretty sure the use of at least a tazer in that instance was justified, yes? Why the disparity in use of force, even if we accept that she meant to taze him instead of shoot him? Is the guy hitting a cop with a hammer complying with police orders?

You still have a problem with the fact that she killed someone, and should still face prison for it. If you're so careless in the application of force, it's negligence.

I do believe she should go to jail as that was easily as jailable offense.

Also she pulled out her gun because she mistook it for her taser, unless you think she's lying or something and wanted to pull off a murder that she could easily be jailed for.

But I also believe a use of a taser in that incident would have been warranted, given that the suspect was obviously resisting arrest, but even more, he was just a few hairs away from getting into his seat and driving off in what could have easily escalated into reckless police pursuit. Tasers and other less than lethal forces use should be encouraged if we want to see these shooting incidents decrease.

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Very centrist and independent.

Less bad apples on the tree, it's a win win for us all.

[Kaneiac]

I can't believe how many people espouse bullshit with such misplaced authority

If I have to hear from one more person screeching about "BUT THERE WAS NO PREMEDITATION/INTENT TO KILL" regarding 2nd degree murder in MN I'm gonna need to take up hard liquor

[Felya]

Seems like he's all over the place with his takes today and this is a painfully vague tweet. Like, it genuinely seems like two people are fighting over control of the damned account.

That’s his shtick... When he was pushing the idea of gun ownership being the same as voting... He would set it up with a tweet, something like... ‘voting is fundamental’... then follow it up with another tweet... ‘which is why we need guns to protect our right to vote’... that’s how self proclaimed socially conservative progressives, seem to quote him nearly verbatim, so often...

[KaPe]

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1384642632916344832

Edit: Seems like he's all over the place with his takes today and this is a painfully vague tweet. Like, it genuinely seems like two people are fighting over control of the damned account.

Didn't he say some time ago that he loves being all vague and contradictory? So people don't get to know the real him or some other shit? In reality, we all know that it's just to fuck with the left, without really going against the right - but keeping those convenient "both sides" posts as an excuse. Just like far too many self-called "centrists".