Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Xyonai]

Legal Eagle pretty much discrediting 95% of the screeching on both sides in two videos, got to love it lol.

As a Layman, I super appriciate his knowledge of stuff like this and ability to parse all these different laws into normal-person speak, and it really clarifies a lot of questions I had about the laws that were being applied to the case and the grounds for the appeal.

Like, what this decision means is that Grosskreutz shouldn't have held his fire. He should've shot Rittenhouse. He had far more cause than Rittenhouse did, as Rittenhouse had actually shot and killed someone already. And then Huber might still be alive and he might not have lost his bicep.

Is that "better"? Is the ideal society one where you pre-emptively shoot threats "just in case"? Seems like it shouldn't be.

To be clear; I'm not myself suggesting Grosskreutz should've just unloaded on Rittenhouse. Or that Rittenhouse deserved that. I'm pointing out that's the corollary of this legal decision. That's why I disagree with the decision.

Yeah, pretty much what the lot of us where saying for the last few pages: That the same law that let Rittenhouse off scott free would have allowed -anyone else- who took him down with lethal force after the first shooting get off scot free as well. As Yuujin - and the video - points out, whoever's the last man standing gets to be legally right. Which kinda mirrors how the Trayvon Martin case panned out.

[s_bushido]

Legal Eagle pretty much discrediting 95% of the screeching on both sides in two videos, got to love it lol.

Still here desperately trying to let us all know you're so super-cool and above it all? Find a better place to get your validation. This is just sad.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The jury instructions were very complicated and a lot of the prosecutions case rested on flimsy video evidence they claim showed provocation. I was expecting two days or more.

The video evidence showed that Kyle pointed his gun at the people he shot before they ever made an aggressive move towards him. So yeah.

I'd say right wingers should know what pointing your gun at someone means, but I'm quickly finding that gun safety isn't really common knowledge among the right. Just guns. It's no wonder accidental discharges lead to death so much in the US. With so many guns out there just laying around and certain "people" waving them around without even knowing basic gun safety.

[Kaleredar]

The video evidence showed that Kyle pointed his gun at the people he shot before they ever made an aggressive move towards him. So yeah.

I'd say right wingers should know what pointing your gun at someone means, but I'm quickly finding that gun safety isn't really common knowledge among the right. Just guns. It's no wonder accidental discharges lead to death so much in the US. With so many guns out there just laying around and certain "people" waving them around without even knowing basic gun safety.

The height of this was the whole debacle with Alec Baldwin.

Right wingers stormed in to condemn liberal Baldwin with their supposed "superior knowledge" of gun safety, only to find that no, they didn't actually know anything about gun safety procedures on movie sets, and that Baldwin did not act in any way out of the ordinary in his role as an actor holding a gun when the shooting occurred.

You could probably count the number of accidental shootings in the past decade on film sets on one or two hands; meanwhile, hundreds of people die every year from accidental firearm discharges in the US; guns that supposedly belong to or are being handled by "responsible gun owners."

[eschatological]

I mean, I think the Alec Baldwin thing was purely, naked self-serving "owning" of an actor who is famously liberal and did a satirical impression of their God-president for four years on the national lampoon of record.

Not an ignorance of how guns on a movie set work. No one blamed the actor who shot Brandon Lee for killing him - they blamed the prop guy. Here, they simply wanted to blame Baldwin.

[Yadryonych]

I mean, I think the Alec Baldwin thing was purely, naked self-serving "owning" of an actor who is famously liberal and did a satirical impression of their God-president for four years on the national lampoon of record.

Not an ignorance of how guns on a movie set work. No one blamed the actor who shot Brandon Lee for killing him - they blamed the prop guy. Here, they simply wanted to blame Baldwin.

That must have homething to do with Baldwin being the director of the film and therefore being responsible for everything that happens on site and he didnt bother to hire a gun specialist for the film. But nice tribal thinking

[Machismo]

That must have homething to do with Baldwin being the director of the film and therefore being responsible for everything that happens on site and he didnt bother to hire a gun specialist for the film. But nice tribal thinking

This is two lies.

First, almost all those people were trying to blame him as the shooter.

Secondly, they hired a firearms expert.

Third... look at that, there were more than two. He was also a producer, not the director. I'll just chalk that one up as a mistake whilst trying to make the previous two lies.

[minteK917]

Like, what this decision means is that Grosskreutz shouldn't have held his fire. He should've shot Rittenhouse. He had far more cause than Rittenhouse did, as Rittenhouse had actually shot and killed someone already. And then Huber might still be alive and he might not have lost his bicep.

Is that "better"? Is the ideal society one where you pre-emptively shoot threats "just in case"? Seems like it shouldn't be.

Its better then one where you wait to be killed just in case. And yes Grosskreutz totally would get off free too, as far i know he didnt get any charges himself for any of that. The other people that attacked him first when hes running away probably not. Grosskreutz even spoke to him minutes earlier and when kyle said im going to the police, he let him go. Realisticly it should have been the end of it for him, going back was a mistake, but its not one a reasonable person wouldnt make. So if he shot first, id say he was fine too. Both case of vigilantism. Attacking someone running away towards police is vigilantism too. The idea anyone there was some kind of hero is stupid to begin with. Just a bunch of people that tried to do shit they shouldnt have, kyle included.

[Lenonis]

But nice tribal thinking

oh please. Anyone with two functional brain cells saw that the attacks on Baldwin were partisan because of his mockery of their orange diety. Why even pretend otherwise? It's stupid.

[Yadryonych]

almost all those people were trying to blame him as the shooter.

Agreeing with the rest of your criticism, I must say that according to my own observation, almost all those people were ironising over the situation because of Baldwin being a huge anti-gunist. It had nothing to do with him cosplaying Trump or being liberal. And of course no sane person would blame him seriously

[Machismo]

Agreeing with the rest of your criticism, I must say that according to my own observation, almost all those people were ironising over the situation because of Baldwin being a huge anti-gunist. It had nothing to do with him cosplaying Trump or being liberal. And of course no sane person would blame him seriously

You literally got caught lying, and now just tried to justify your lie.

Sorry, bro... not happening.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...inematographer

[Lenonis]

It had nothing to do with him cosplaying Trump or being liberal.

Anytime you want to stop lying would be great.

https://www.blackenterprise.com/cand...cism-of-trump/
https://www.wptv.com/news/political/...s-people-shirt
https://www.the-sun.com/entertainmen...-alec-baldwin/

I can find more if you'd like.

[tehdang]

The video evidence showed that Kyle pointed his gun at the people he shot before they ever made an aggressive move towards him. So yeah.

I'd say right wingers should know what pointing your gun at someone means, but I'm quickly finding that gun safety isn't really common knowledge among the right. Just guns. It's no wonder accidental discharges lead to death so much in the US. With so many guns out there just laying around and certain "people" waving them around without even knowing basic gun safety.

It was the weakness of that video evidence to show he was aiming his gun at people prior to them attacking that made it not murder.

If you want a real example of poor gun safety, watch the prosecutor point the gun at the jury with finger on the trigger.

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Nothing threatening about people like this. Took place just the other day.
https://www.blackenterprise.com/blac...house-protest/


Just a black father and 16 year old daughter exercising their constitutional rights. Sad to see people like yourself want to tear up the constitution.

They better watch out if a protest develops, or half the thread will say they’re provoking attacks on themselves and deny them self defense.

[Endus]

They better watch out if a protest develops, or half the thread will say they’re provoking attacks on themselves and deny them self defense.

Are they pointing their weapons at people? Because that's what people were arguing was provocation.

[Huehuecoyotl]

They better watch out if a protest develops, or half the thread will say they’re provoking attacks on themselves and deny them self defense.

You are correct, but I don't think there are enough right-wingers in this thread to constitute half. But I guarantee you that's what they'd be saying if it happened.

Right wingers and projection. It's like Abbot and Costello.

[Orange Joe]

Agreeing with the rest of your criticism, I must say that according to my own observation, almost all those people were ironising over the situation because of Baldwin being a huge anti-gunist. It had nothing to do with him cosplaying Trump or being liberal. And of course no sane person would blame him seriously

Since when has he been anti gunist?

[masterhorus8]

Since when has he been anti gunist?

lol, "anti gunist" is up there for one of the stupidest terms I've heard.

[PhaelixWW]

Are they pointing their weapons at people? Because that's what people were arguing was provocation.

They also have visible chamber flags, which they absolutely should if they're going to open carry. It shows that they're not walking around expecting to actually get into a shooting match at a moment's notice.

[Orange Joe]

lol, "anti gunist" is up there for one of the stupidest terms I've heard.

Amazingly when I search Alec Baldwin anti gun it turns only has a couple actual hits on "anti gun"

They seem to base this off him being a member or NoRA. Which if you check they aren't even about getting rid of guns. Just opposing the NRA lobbying.

[Yadryonych]

Since when has he been anti gunist?

Since late 80’s at least