Cleansing the Ghostlands

[Ardenaso]

Why didn't the High Elves of the Argent Dawn/Crusade or the Silver Covenant ever bothered to help cleanse the Ghostlands? There's like at least 200 of them (and from the Fall of the Lich King trailer they're half of the the background Crusaders). As of Three Sisters, the Ghostlands was still infested with the Scourge.

Or is it that they just ignored Ghostlands and left their Blood Elven kin struggling out of spite for being exiled?

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P.S.: the High Elf megathread is probably gonna be closed so I guess time to ask outside of it

[Aucald]

Few to none of the areas afflicted by the Scourge have been cleansed - the corruption is likely beyond the means of the Argent Dawn/Crusade to cleanse, and Scourge-afflicted lands are still being studied by the Cenarion Circle and Earthen Ring to try to formulate a way to clean them. The Ghostlands, the Western and Eastern Plaguelands, as well as most of greater Northrend retain the scars of the Scourge to this day.

[Ardenaso]

Few to none of the areas afflicted by the Scourge have been cleansed - the corruption is likely beyond the means of the Argent Dawn/Crusade to cleanse, and Scourge-afflicted lands are still being studied by the Cenarion Circle and Earthen Ring to try to formulate a way to clean them. The Ghostlands, the Western and Eastern Plaguelands, as well as most of greater Northrend retain the scars of the Scourge to this day.

I thought as of post-Cataclysm the Argents finally got hold of Eastweald sans Stratholme? And Tyr's Hand is under control by the Brotherhood

[Aucald]

I thought as of post-Cataclysm the Argents finally got hold of Eastweald sans Stratholme? And Tyr's Hand is under control by the Brotherhood

They've reclaimed the territories, but they haven't done anything of note to otherwise cleanse them (outside of Light's Hope Chapel, which is looking a sight better than previously). The rest of the Plaguelands remain plagued, however; and the same is true of the Ghostlands.

[Airlick]

Few to none of the areas afflicted by the Scourge have been cleansed - the corruption is likely beyond the means of the Argent Dawn/Crusade to cleanse, and Scourge-afflicted lands are still being studied by the Cenarion Circle and Earthen Ring to try to formulate a way to clean them. The Ghostlands, the Western and Eastern Plaguelands, as well as most of greater Northrend retain the scars of the Scourge to this day.

That's wrong, I think, Cataclysm shows Western Plaguelands as 'mostly' cleansed. If I remember correctly, many of the quests there pre-cata revolved around finding a way to cleanse the land, and getting rid of the cauldrons was one of the first steps, because they sustained and spread the corruption.

[Ardenaso]

They've reclaimed the territories, but they haven't done anything of note to otherwise cleanse them (outside of Light's Hope Chapel, which is looking a sight better than previously). The rest of the Plaguelands remain plagued, however; and the same is true of the Ghostlands.

the grass is getting greener and there appears to be less giant mushrooms; I'd say the Cenarion Circle is doing a good job cleansing - at least on the major towers, perhaps.

I also assume after Legion the Argents have now focused with continuing cleansing Eastweald and I thought the Silver Covenant and Argent Elves' absence in BFA is about them cleansing Ghostlands. Though the only Argent material in BFA is this guy https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sean_Wilkers

[Aucald]

That's wrong, I think, Cataclysm shows Western Plaguelands as 'mostly' cleansed. If I remember correctly, many of the quests there pre-cata revolved around finding a way to cleanse the land, and getting rid of the cauldrons was one of the first steps, because they sustained and spread the corruption.

the grass is getting greener and there appears to be less giant mushrooms; I'd say the Cenarion Circle is doing a good job cleansing - at least on the major towers, perhaps.

I also assume after Legion the Argents have now focused with continuing cleansing Eastweald and I thought the Silver Covenant and Argent Elves' absence in BFA is about them cleansing Ghostlands. Though the only Argent material in BFA is this guy https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sean_Wilkers

Not really. They've made some inroads towards clean up, but the Scourge strongholds like Caer Darrow, most of Andorhal, and the Scourge cauldron sites remain blighted. The wildlife also remains blighted, even in zones otherwise reclaimed. Eastern Plaguelands remains majority-blighted, with the mushroom forest around Stratholme (and the city itself) unchanged by the passage of years. The Cataclysm had some effects, like filling up the Infectis Scar with water, but both the flora and fauna there remain twisted. All in all, little relative progress has been made given the the span of time from WC3 until now.

[Rozz]

They're in a worse spot than the BEs, so I'm not surprised they didn't help.

Practically speaking would clearing out basic undead be difficult? No. The only thing I can see stopping them are getting enough resources to do so. They'll have to clear out areas, hold them off, and keep pushing outward as parts of their military stay behind to defend. Do they even have the manpower to spare for this as of BfA? I'm not sure. The other alternative is reforming their defenses to cut off inflowing undead and killing what remains.

I honestly believe that Silvermoon has more than enough power from azerite, magic, and allies alone to do the above and more in a week, but that won't happen until the devs want to touch the zone again.

[Ardenaso]

Not really. They've made some inroads towards clean up, but the Scourge strongholds like Caer Darrow, most of Andorhal, and the Scourge cauldron sites remain blighted. The wildlife also remains blighted, even in zones otherwise reclaimed. Eastern Plaguelands remains majority-blighted, with the mushroom forest around Stratholme (and the city itself) unchanged by the passage of years. The Cataclysm had some effects, like filling up the Infectis Scar with water, but both the flora and fauna there remain twisted. All in all, little relative progress has been made given the the span of time from WC3 until now.

Fair enough. This is one of the things I've always wanted, to see Eastweald become a bustling bread basket again and probably as a netural zone or a protectorate by the Argents for the Forsaken

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Practically speaking would clearing out basic undead be difficult? No. The only thing I can see stopping them are getting enough resources to do so. They'll have to clear out areas, hold them off, and keep pushing outward as parts of their military stay behind to defend. Do they even have the manpower to spare for this as of BfA? I'm not sure. The other alternative is reforming their defenses to cut off inflowing undead and killing what remains.

Liadrin no longer wields the Ashbringer and I assumed she brought it back to Maxwell, perhaps he could lead a heroic charge in, let's say... Noxious Glade

[Rozz]

Liadrin no longer wields the Ashbringer and I assumed she brought it back to Maxwell, perhaps he could lead a heroic charge in, let's say... Noxious Glade

And knowing her she'd likely be successful. The real threat the scourge pose is their waves since no one wants to start a war of attrition with zombies, but I'm skeptical of their potency and relevance. It's similar to Anduin's lands still having issues with gnolls and murlocs. The races' abilities to rise to the occasion but leaving their front lawn in disarray always breaks my narrative immersion.

[GreenJesus]

Fair enough. This is one of the things I've always wanted, to see Eastweald become a bustling bread basket again and probably as a netural zone or a protectorate by the Argents for the Forsaken

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Liadrin no longer wields the Ashbringer and I assumed she brought it back to Maxwell, perhaps he could lead a heroic charge in, let's say... Noxious Glade

Even if Liadrin doesnt have ashbringer, she should still have Quel'delar lorewise I believe. That was a powerful weapon cleansed by the sunwell.

[Soon-TM]

Ever bothered to help cleanse the Ghostlands? There's like at least 200 of them (and from the Fall of the Lich King trailer they're half of the the background Crusaders). As of Three Sisters, the Ghostlands was still infested with the Scourge.

Or is it that they just ignored Ghostlands and left their Blood Elven kin struggling out of spite for being exiled?

Because high elves are good only for one thing: for decrying his fellow elves in Quel'thalas - and for giving themselves entirely into dat human kink, I guess. But they have never EVER lifted a finger in defense of their homeland.

Edit: I mean, post-WC3 HEs.

[MikeBogina]

from what I've seen, it seems possible to cleanse the area. The Ghostlands are not human territory, so the neutral factions dont care so much to fix them, even though they have elves and tauren and all that in them.

You could say that the lore comes second to the game and because Ghostlands is in a different instance, that's why it and the draenei islands wont get timeline updates, but then that still needs a lore explanation and it just seems that the neutral factions led by humans only care about the human lands. Honestly though, i would very much like to see Azeroth get another big update and actually have these 2 areas added to the world and updated. Before without phasing, the areas didn't update, but now with phasing, I'd love for a new blood elf player to actually go through and participate in the restoration of these areas.

Imagine WoW's last expansion goes all out and the world is restored and lands are cleansed of dark powers(like why wouldn't Azeroth a titan not cleanse this stuff eventually) and we see new towns and cities and stuff popping up all over, like Exodar has a city grow around it, the Blood Elves rebuild their entire city and cleanse the blight, Lordaeron be fixed aswell and play whatever major role it plays in the end(Lordaeron imo is going to get a huge update in the future, especially now that it isn't just a Horde City) and the Elves will probably get some new city aswell and all is well in the end. Because the timeskip for Warcraft 4 or WoW2 will need to start off with tons of tragedy

[Nathasil]

Cleansing the Ghostlands would have been the PERFECT tie in for an Elven reunion post TBC, where the Night Elves would greatly benefit from the Arcane ways and "worldyness" of the Thalassians, while the Night Elves are obviously the only ones capable of healing the Thalassian homeland...that is what WC3 hinted at to happen...but nooooooooooooo! We could not have that, because Horde players totally needed a sexy race no matter how stupid it looks in their ranks...

Just think about what Warcraft could have been if the Horde would have never become the "Sexy Arcane Elf" faction and the Alliance would not have been degraded into the NPC-Victim-Faction.

[Razion]

Runestones such as Runestone Falithas and Runestone Shan'dor are used currently to protect Eversong Woods from the Plague. Druids and Shaman have had more results historically in terms of actually cleansing the land rather than protecting it from it. Priests and Paladins have less results. The Plague has damaged the ley lines of Quel'Thalas. They may be able to redirect power from the Sunwell to Arcane Sanctums, either to help heal the ley lines so the land can heal naturally, or into the Runestones in an effort that they may be able to help reverse the Plague.

[sam86]

Actually.. u are right, that's really retard
Ghostlands should be easily reclaimed and fixed by belfs alone, yet belfs still didn't do it, they are involved in wars beyond their borders while ignoring a big part of their lands
Why they don't help? Because it shouldn't be a big deal that needs help in first place

[sillag]

belfs gave up on the ghostlands. they have no ability to actually cleanse the land. as we have seen the only thing thats significantly effective at restoring scourge/blight corruption like that is druids which the belfs dont have and dont particularly like.

there are also no belfs to actually live in the ghostlands even if they cleansed them. remember the belfs have been essentially wiped out. everyone who used to live there and in most of the other belf territories is dead. since the belfs dont particularly care about the land itself they probably see no reason to bother restoring it.

[Ardenaso]

Actually.. u are right, that's really retard
Ghostlands should be easily reclaimed and fixed by belfs alone, yet belfs still didn't do it, they are involved in wars beyond their borders while ignoring a big part of their lands
Why they don't help? Because it shouldn't be a big deal that needs help in first place

yes, at this point Deatholme should be defunct by now

[kappalol]

Because Silver Covenant is against blood elves and will mostly attack them on sight (They are traitors to their own kin) and other faction doesn't care about quelthalas.

[Ardenaso]

Because Silver Covenant is against blood elves and will mostly attack them on sight (They are traitors to their own kin) and other faction doesn't care about quelthalas.

Argents allowing Thalassians in their ranks (both Sin and Quel) means showing solidarity for them against Arthas. You'd think at some point Maxwell/Eligor would make amends for the Blood Elves from Garithos' actions in behalf of the Lordaeronians