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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by AwkwardSquirtle View Post
    It has been reduced. You should now never need more than 4 pages. I recall there being some bugs around this, where people had quests that said more pieces were required, but they were able to hand in at 4, but those should have been ironed out by now. As I said, completing all 4 can be an issue until you've progressed your talent tree a little more, so it may be helpful to get a carry through those. The strat for that is to have your friend revive you before pulling the boss of each wing, you have to tag that to get credit. If you're going solo, be aware that you don't need to kill Thrall/Alleria to get those pages, so if you have the choice between pushing another wing and going back for the final boss, the wing is probably better. You'll miss out on a bit of gear, but the gear before you can do a full run isn't likely to be an upgrade for you.
    Alright. Thanks for the info. I did some research too, but there are so many outdated topics about this. I guess I will try to get somebody to help. Kinda sux that they need to use their resources to boost me instead of free joining into mine. Will see, how far I can get!

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikeyla View Post
    Alright. Thanks for the info. I did some research too, but there are so many outdated topics about this. I guess I will try to get somebody to help. Kinda sux that they need to use their resources to boost me instead of free joining into mine. Will see, how far I can get!
    They can use the method I suggested to do whatever's relevant for them in terms of masks. There shouldn't be an excessive additional burden from carrying you. Plus if they only need echoes from it, they gain no extra benefit from using masks. Masks only improve gear and memento drops, which aren't massively important if they're well geared.
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikeyla View Post
    Thanks for the info. Your numbers seem to be kinda shorter than others say. Not sure if you count with the fact that i started from scratch, like 0 gear, 0 achievements, 0 rio etc. Gear itself doesnt seem to be that much of a problem. Ilvl was actually easy to get I would say. But damage levels within a week? Cloak, corruptions and essences like you mentioned are my current struggle. The problem is that without getting stuff like corruptions, essences and farm cloak level, I cant properly get to farming 15s, hc raids etc. Anyway, I guess it could take like a month to get somewhere. Will see, if the game can keep me interested for more than a month.
    I started playing again with the last timewalking event - so around a month ago. Haven't played since BoD, so nothing relevant to show off.
    Playing during timewalking meant pretty much instantly 425 with barely any effort, and once you're at that ilvl you get 430 from regular WQs and like 445 from Emissaries and special stuff. With that ilvl it's not hard to get into lower level m+, thus getting to 440 in 1 week was really no biggie - at which point you're ready for normal raiding. The week after that I got to ~450-455 from doing normals, m+ spam and Visions, the week after that I started heroic and got to ~460. Atm sitting at ~470 in bags just from that.

    I also have pretty much all the Essences I need at rank 3 right now. Lucid, Visions, all the rep ones (except the Uldum/Vale ones, those are still 2), all the weekly ones, all done. The only ones i haven't bothered with are the EP, PVP and Island ones, fuck those (although Islands should probably also be R3 by now - even EP could be at R3 with some persistence).

    All of this was done solo. No guild, no boosting, not even making groups myself. Just being a tank and playing for like 6-7 days /played over the last 4 weeks.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Gasparde View Post
    I started playing again with the last timewalking event - so around a month ago. Haven't played since BoD, so nothing relevant to show off.
    Playing during timewalking meant pretty much instantly 425 with barely any effort, and once you're at that ilvl you get 430 from regular WQs and like 445 from Emissaries and special stuff. With that ilvl it's not hard to get into lower level m+, thus getting to 440 in 1 week was really no biggie - at which point you're ready for normal raiding. The week after that I got to ~450-455 from doing normals, m+ spam and Visions, the week after that I started heroic and got to ~460. Atm sitting at ~470 in bags just from that.

    I also have pretty much all the Essences I need at rank 3 right now. Lucid, Visions, all the rep ones (except the Uldum/Vale ones, those are still 2), all the weekly ones, all done. The only ones i haven't bothered with are the EP, PVP and Island ones, fuck those (although Islands should probably also be R3 by now - even EP could be at R3 with some persistence).

    All of this was done solo. No guild, no boosting, not even making groups myself. Just being a tank and playing for like 6-7 days /played over the last 4 weeks.
    Ok, thanks for the info. As I said already, I dont think the ilvl is too hard to get. Im more concerned about the cloak and specific corruption farm, but I guess there is no easy way around this...

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikeyla View Post
    Hello, I recently resubbed after like almost 2y break. My problem is the insane grind and crazy difference between available gear and the end game gear of ppl I meet. I'd like to know how long it realistically takes to get on viable level of gear to be at least somewhat competitive in the end game (higher m+, raids, pvp).

    Right now even if I get m+ or hc raid gear, I can still do like 50% of other ppl's dmg or healing. All I can do after getting home from work are daily quests as my second job, because I cant do anything in pvp against the one shots without versa gear, corrupts, essences. I feel like an anchor my team has to carry when I join m+. Raiding isnt exactly fun when I perform at 50% of others of the same ilvl. Even if I would somehow manage to get all the gear,I still cant use it because I need to farm enough dailies to upgrade my cloak. And obviously I cant do out of instance content because this one is gated by weeks of more daily quests to get reps for flying.
    As you probably noticed, I dont enjoy this at all. All of this feels so bad it makes me want to unsub instantly, so Im asking, how long does this garbo state last before I start feeling like my character is somewhat viable? I appreciate any answers!
    For new players, the essence grind is so horribly offputting that I wouldn't recommend that anyone join the game.

    Other than that, everything else is fine.
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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrod View Post
    For new players, the essence grind is so horribly offputting that I wouldn't recommend that anyone join the game.
    I thought that I could just have some chill fun before the new expansion and see what improved since the beginning of BFA, which I kinda disliked, but it looks like it wasnt the best idea I had recently, lol. It looks like instead of an improvement, BFA turned into some sort of meme expansion.

  7. #27
    Heavily depends on what role and class/spec you play.

    Some classes need a variety of essences to match any given content, some only need one page.

    If you could provide this info it's be easier for us to tell you an exact date. Without it not so much.
    This could also help you avoid doing dailies you don't actually need cuz the essence sucks for your char.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikeyla View Post
    Ok, thanks for the info. As I said already, I dont think the ilvl is too hard to get. Im more concerned about the cloak and specific corruption farm, but I guess there is no easy way around this...
    My cloak is also at r15 with 62 Corruption Resistance now (catching up is somewhat easier with Visions for Echoes now), luckily we had Twilight Dev 2 this week so at least I got my m+ Corruptions covered (roughly 25k echoes in 2 weeks). Haste/Crit stuff will come soon, so not too worried about that.

    Like, it's certainly a lot harder if you're trying to do all of this as a Mage who's trying to force Fire with 20 Masterful Corruptions... but for everyone else about a month to get to ~465 with pretty much all relevant Essences seems about right. Corruptions will also be less of a pain going forward since getting about 10k Echoes per week isn't too hard - so just save up Echoes and spam your gear with all the stat Corruptions at one point and you'll be good.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikeyla View Post
    Ok, thanks for the info. As I said already, I dont think the ilvl is too hard to get. Im more concerned about the cloak and specific corruption farm, but I guess there is no easy way around this...
    Depending how lucky you are, getting the cloak and stuff is easier than ilvl. My alt Rogue still isn't 470(around 465), and I've been playing him all expansion, because I can't get invited to any M+, any heroic raids I pug die to Wrathion and I can't get him invited to any Mythic raids even though I'm 9/12 on my main.
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  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikeyla View Post
    Hello, I recently resubbed after like almost 2y break. My problem is the insane grind and crazy difference between available gear and the end game gear of ppl I meet. I'd like to know how long it realistically takes to get on viable level of gear to be at least somewhat competitive in the end game (higher m+, raids, pvp).

    Right now even if I get m+ or hc raid gear, I can still do like 50% of other ppl's dmg or healing. All I can do after getting home from work are daily quests as my second job, because I cant do anything in pvp against the one shots without versa gear, corrupts, essences. I feel like an anchor my team has to carry when I join m+. Raiding isnt exactly fun when I perform at 50% of others of the same ilvl. Even if I would somehow manage to get all the gear,I still cant use it because I need to farm enough dailies to upgrade my cloak. And obviously I cant do out of instance content because this one is gated by weeks of more daily quests to get reps for flying.
    As you probably noticed, I dont enjoy this at all. All of this feels so bad it makes me want to unsub instantly, so Im asking, how long does this garbo state last before I start feeling like my character is somewhat viable? I appreciate any answers!
    If you're a healer, very fast. I went from 370 to 455 in less than a week. I'm now just a bit under 2k io. As a DPS, It's going to be slow. There's a lot of geared DPS out there with good ios, people want high ilvl for even a +2.

    The neck is going to level extremely fast. If you're lucky and get 2 or 3 3k AP emissaries, well that's already 9 levels. Essence grind is gonna suck, I'm not gonna lie.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Laqweeta View Post
    If you're a healer, very fast. I went from 370 to 455 in less than a week. I'm now just a bit under 2k io. As a DPS, It's going to be slow. There's a lot of geared DPS out there with good ios, people want high ilvl for even a +2.

    The neck is going to level extremely fast. If you're lucky and get 2 or 3 3k AP emissaries, well that's already 9 levels. Essence grind is gonna suck, I'm not gonna lie.
    I started as a dps and gave up on that very fast. It was exactly as you say. Everybody has 460+, so why would they take somebody with 0 io and average gear, right? So I switched to hpala and the invites were kinda fast. However it sux for dailies, which is like half of my gameplay atm, since i have no reps, essences, flying etc. I cant say I enjoy pala too much, but I have no choice at this point, lol. Half of the reps done, gear starting to be okayish except the corruptions, essences, cloak and completely not viable for pvp unless I get four times my current versa+ through corruptions and cloak to survive random one shots.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Caerrona View Post
    So laughably untrue its hilarious. 1 month max to be fully geared unless your bad. 1 month doing minimum echoes shit is enough for 8x stat inc

    Op your going to get alot of WAH GAME TO GRINDY REEEE replies. Its really not bad. If you have played wow at all in the past 15 years is not much grinding.
    Except the cloak catchup is time-gated (since you have to kill Nzoth for the actual catch-up core) and it will literally take you months to get caught up on corruption resist. In the near future it will literally be impossible to catch-up before the SL pre-patch.

    If you could just grind vision for extra cores like everything else then I would mostly agree with you.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    Except the cloak catchup is time-gated (since you have to kill Nzoth for the actual catch-up core) and it will literally take you months to get caught up on corruption resist. In the near future it will literally be impossible to catch-up before the SL pre-patch.

    If you could just grind vision for extra cores like everything else then I would mostly agree with you.
    Getting your cloak to 15 is gonna take you like 2-3 weeks. At that point you'll be 56 vs people like 86.
    That's 1, maybe 2 Corruptions difference, shrinking every week. No one's gonna not take you to a m+10 because of that.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Caerrona View Post
    So laughably untrue its hilarious. 1 month max to be fully geared unless your bad. 1 month doing minimum echoes shit is enough for 8x stat inc

    Op your going to get alot of WAH GAME TO GRINDY REEEE replies. Its really not bad. If you have played wow at all in the past 15 years is not much grinding.
    It's so grindy even if you're just playing 1 character. I've been playing this game since vanilla.

    Can't remember if the game was ever this tedious and boring...

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    Like 1-3 days depends on drop luck tbh and no need to make cloak +15 imo.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Caerrona View Post
    So laughably untrue its hilarious. 1 month max to be fully geared unless your bad. 1 month doing minimum echoes shit is enough for 8x stat inc

    Op your going to get alot of WAH GAME TO GRINDY REEEE replies. Its really not bad. If you have played wow at all in the past 15 years is not much grinding.
    Seriously, when was WoW more grindy than now? Certainly not in Cata, WoD, or Wrath. MoP had the legendary grind which was awful, but wasn't as bad as this. Maybe legion was worse, but it's close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComplexSignal View Post
    Reading your other replies in this thread, I think that's probably for the best. It doesn't seem to be meeting your expectations. I'm a bit unsure if those are realistic expectations (both when it comes to BFA and SL), but since those are highly subjective topics, I don't really have much to say, except - play the game if it's fun. Don't play if it's not fun.

    I quit after NH in Legion and took 2 year break. Returned for BFA 8.2 and I've been having a lot of fun. I don't really agree the popular opinion of BFA being a "meme expac". It's been pretty good (for me) and far superior compared to my experiences from Legion.
    The big difference there is that you experienced the essence grind when it was supposed to be done. Now, playing a max character involves going back and doing a lot of obsolete content in Nazjatar and Mechagon. It's hilarious to see the quests rewarding 385 gear when I'm 470. That's the part of this game that is completely broken right now.

    It takes significantly more time to get essences than it does to level 110-120.
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    I don't really hate bfa, outside of the extreme rng and crap systems and garbage gameplay

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikeyla View Post
    I started as a dps and gave up on that very fast. It was exactly as you say. Everybody has 460+, so why would they take somebody with 0 io and average gear, right? So I switched to hpala and the invites were kinda fast. However it sux for dailies, which is like half of my gameplay atm, since i have no reps, essences, flying etc. I cant say I enjoy pala too much, but I have no choice at this point, lol. Half of the reps done, gear starting to be okayish except the corruptions, essences, cloak and completely not viable for pvp unless I get four times my current versa+ through corruptions and cloak to survive random one shots.
    Yeah It's a nightmare :/. The only thing I would suggest is to roll a class that has a heal/dps spec. Get that io on healer, then switch to DPS. Once you get some kind of a decent score though invites should happen a lot more frequently

  18. #38
    Since you've been away for 2 years, which was when legion was still current, I would recommend you to NOT trying to be competitive this expansion anymore. Getting your essences for the first time ever is way to time consuming. Rather focus on getting a little headstart for shadowlands.

    My advice would be to get carried through a +15 during 2-3 different IDs as well as getting carried through heroic nyalotha twice.
    By then your ilvl should be around 460+. Then repeat this for all the characters you're interested in playing come shadowlands. It will give you an easier time leveling through shadowlands content, which is all you can really do.


    Personal experience: it took me 2-3 weeks to reach 470 and get all the essences I need for my shadow priest. However, I already had a character with all rank 3 essences unlocked, so I could easily get 2-3 essences per week with the help of echos.
    And even with that itemlevel and all the bis essences, I still do comparatively low dps (70k simmed compared to the 105k simmed on my main which is only 5 ilvl above that alt).
    I do not know if you still need to have the essences unlocked on another char to get them.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by ComplexSignal View Post
    With Echo-farming I'm also back to doing Emissaries daily. A task I thought I'd never have to do again.
    But at the end of the day, MMOs are full of this stuff. It's minor thing for me. Especially compared to things like AP grind and endless Maw of Souls runs in Legion.

    But I get it. It's not "instant fun".
    Here's why essences are totally different for me:

    You get a certain amount of echoes for just playing the game. So the choice of echo farming comes down to how urgently you want your corruption upgrades. If you're not super worried, you'll get them eventually. There's kind of a self-nerfing aspect to it - people who play less get them with less effort over a longer period.

    Essences, however, require you to do a fixed amount of content you wouldn't normally do. There's none of that self-nerfing if you decide to take your time. The best player in the world does the exact same amount of content that I have to do (and in some instances, like conflict and strife, the grind is actually longer if you aren't good). This is why essences are the worst designed system in this expansion, except maybe the flying achieve. For a casual player who can only play a few hours a week, the entire game becomes essence farming.
    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    I don't really hate bfa, outside of the extreme rng and crap systems and garbage gameplay

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Gasparde View Post
    Getting your cloak to 15 is gonna take you like 2-3 weeks. At that point you'll be 56 vs people like 86.
    That's 1, maybe 2 Corruptions difference, shrinking every week. No one's gonna not take you to a m+10 because of that.
    The original quote was in regards to topping meters, aka getting high parses. This will be almost impossible without a fully caught-up cloak and gem slots in every item, which is a herculean grind unless you get really lucky (like 2 hours in visions per socket minimum, realistically more).

    But yeah, obviously this doesn't matter in 10s or 15s or even most mythic bosses. The bar for beating a lot of that stuff right now is really low. However, the bar for being a top 5% player (or whatever) is absolutely not a "one month" catch-up. It's actually probably longer than ever, given the necessity of perfect corruption/caught-upcloak/all gem slots.

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