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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Great Destiny Man View Post
    People dropping hotly debated topics in the form of personal experiences and then just retreating out of them is common on these forums and it really serves fuck all purpose other than to get people at each others throats.

    That's why I made the comment because at that time it seemed to be the way it was going. What you choose to do with the thread is up to you but I'm not going to criticise you for trying to discuss the topic.
    I dropped it because it was getting very late and I knew I would be busy the following days. It felt fair to let people know I wouldn't be responding.

    Aside from that, I was expecting a lot of similar arguments, both in my favor and against me, and there was no point having the same debate with several people. And there is also the fairly common practice of people simply making contrarian arguments or trying to "get you" with something (the prepot thing I don't take very seriously, since phase one is percentage based and usually goes smoothly) and not admitting when they are factually wrong (i.e. someone said I can just join another group, and never owned up to being wrong about how mythic lockouts work).

    Tonight I brought up some more elaborate points, so I felt it was worth engaging again. But it's once again late and I will stop soon, so I will repeat my disclaimer: I will keep track of the thread, but I may not post unless I can say something new and worthwhile. I will still reply to Gaidax if there is anything to say, and then probably go to sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seranthor View Post
    Yes, yes, it was everyone else's fault your group failed, there is no way we could hold you at all responsible for the group failing. But oddly after you were removed they succeeded... Hmmmmm.
    That's a non sequitur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut View Post
    That's a non sequitur.
    They failed with you in the group, they succeeded without you. Both are pretty solidly proven facts. What are we supposed to take away from that?

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  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut View Post
    I dropped it because it was getting very late and I knew I would be busy the following days. It felt fair to let people know I wouldn't be responding.

    Aside from that, I was expecting a lot of similar arguments, both in my favor and against me, and there was no point having the same debate with several people. And there is also the fairly common practice of people simply making contrarian arguments or trying to "get you" with something (the prepot thing I don't take very seriously, since phase one is percentage based and usually goes smoothly) and not admitting when they are factually wrong (i.e. someone said I can just join another group, and never owned up to being wrong about how mythic lockouts work).

    Tonight I brought up some more elaborate points, so I felt it was worth engaging again. But it's once again late and I will stop soon, so I will repeat my disclaimer: I will keep track of the thread, but I may not post unless I can say something new and worthwhile. I will still reply to Gaidax if there is anything to say, and then probably go to sleep.

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    That's a non sequitur.
    Like prepots arent the be all and end all things but getting phases down quicker does minimise risks and you'd be crazy to think prepots have no effect on dps.

    The issue for me is more when it's a particularly aggravating fight (due its sheer RNG ovelap shitfest design) I'd prefer to see raid doing what they can to make things easier and not risk us wiping for ages just to get phase 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seranthor View Post
    They failed with you in the group, they succeeded without you. What are we supposed to take away from that?
    Gee, I don't know, maybe that the leader realized they couldn't brute force phase one and told people to split into ranged and melee groups? Which would have happened regardless of whether I stayed or left? Use your brain and have a good night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut View Post
    Gee, I don't know, maybe that the leader realized they couldn't brute force phase one and told people to split into ranged and melee groups? Which would have happened regardless of whether I stayed or left? Use your brain and have a good night.
    I'm more inclined that they got rid of the dead weight.

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  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Great Destiny Man View Post
    The issue for me is more when it's a particularly aggravating fight (due its sheer RNG ovelap shitfest design) I'd prefer to see raid doing what they can to make things easier and not risk us wiping for ages just to get phase 2.
    From previous experience phase one seemed fairly accessible, this time it failed because the strategy wasn't aligned with the available dps (like I said, might be possible to stack and burn if people have Mythic Ny'alotha gear, not so much with heroic ilvl). Either way, this group had three failed attempts at Mekkatorque, which we then decided to skip, so the raid knew not to expect cutting edge performance.

    In any case, I'm off for now. Thank you for the discussion!

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut View Post
    I stopped using DBM because my pc is on the old side and addons were affecting my FPS. Like I said, I had completely forgotten it existed as I did plenty of things without it. I don't see how it was a factor for this encounter apart for the aforementioned pull timer (which other groups can make visible to everyone). I think the leader was in the wrong to assume DBM would affect results in the encounter, regardless of what QoL it might bring.
    not seeing the pull counter = you dont pre-pot, you are not prepared and you dont start when others do aka you do less dps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut View Post
    As I said in a different comment, it is an issue with FPS on my computer and a general lack of need for it. Would be nice to know how lack of DBM impedes one on Mythic Jaina, though. I might be wrong without realizing it!
    If dbm_core affects your fps you should get a new pc....

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    DBM is like training wheels for WoW.

    What a hilarious superiority complex to have when someone isn't able to play the game without a Mod Holding their hand.

    If Blizzard is actually making the game around DBM like others said, they should put it in the base-game.


    Since it's not, I have no solid way to take these "hurdcorree raidurss" seriously when they can't pedal the damn bike with their own two feet and balance.

    It's like a bunch of people basically going "hEY MY mommy still wipes my rump, and I know I'm cleaner for it. So if you clean yourself, I know you're not clean like DB-Mommy makes me."
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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Refusing helpful information for any activity you partake in only for the sake of it is just....weird.

    I never understood people who refuse to download boss mods (dbm, bw, etc). They are the 'vegans' of wow imho, always ready to explain to everyone how their way is better and how we are essentially fools for not doing it the same.
    Relying on one self rather than an outside source is just...weird.
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  10. #190
    DBM is not required to see a pull timer. Raid lead is an idiot and a liar.

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