Sylvanas Is Evil, Just Admit It

[Weeps]

Sylvanas is the Mary Sue villain for Blizzard.

She's sexy, big boobs, big booty and has no moral compass. We do not really know her ulterior motives other than wanting to be leader of the forsaken.

she does not have an awesome "end game" vision planned. It is just destruction of everything that's alive.

Lets say horde won everything. Alliance is wiped out. Sylvanas will then want to wipe out all the living horde next.

That's just bad writing, man.

[Raisei]

Emotions are subjective. First, we objectively establish that Sylvanas is not evil - then you can mourne the dead.

She IS objectively evil. Both Alliance and Horde agree in this. The only people that keep denying this are you and the rest of her loyalist cult, that make up one reason after the next why she is justified in all her depraved acts and how they can be defended by ignoring that something like morality exists.

Also, do you know who is free from emotions on their decisions? A Sociopath. Is that a state to aspire to in your mind?

How come? Maw is for the evilest and despicable! Were they evil and despicable? Thanks, Sylvanas!

How come? Because through yet unspecified means your Dark Lady and her new friend broke Death to grow fat and powerful on all the souls that would usualy not be send to the Maw. She actively arranged it so that the souls of the non-evil and non-despicable are send to the eternal suffering that usually awaits people like herself, then she murdered those people to make sure that the anima would flow in abundance.
You either did not read any of the Shadowlands base story or you are purposefully being obtuse.

[Wylyth1992]

How come? Maw is for the evilest and despicable! Were they evil and despicable? Thanks, Sylvanas!

The Maw is NORMALLY for the evilest and despicable, but at some point before the Burning of Teldrassil, it was changed so EVERYONE who dies goes there. Which also explains why many of the raised Night Elves were so willing to join the Forsaken, they felt betrayed by Elune for (as far as they knew) abandoning them to a horrific afterlife.

[DemonHunter18]

Which also explains why many of the raised Night Elves were so willing to join the Forsaken, they felt betrayed by Elune for (as far as they knew) abandoning them to a horrific afterlife.

that explanation is dumb asf and makes no sense.

it's one thing to be pissed at your Goddess but another thing when they willingly joined the opposition who literally destroyed their homeland (they weren't mind controlled btw).

[Eosia]

I mean, she has damned countless people, including the civilians of Teldrassil (possibly children as well) as well as many Alliance and Horde soldiers (which include her own people aka the Forsaken), to a torturous afterlife. Death is one thing, it happens in war, but this.....this is beyond justifiable. There is no hidden plan, no greater good. She is evil, though I wish the writers hadn't written her this way. There was a time when her ruthlessness was used for the good of her people.

*cough*Kerrigan*cough*

[Yarathir]

The story of BFA is:

-Anduin is good.
-Sylvanas is SUPER TURBO SATAN EVIL AND YOU SHOULD HATE HER!!!!!!111
-Sylvanas is SUPER TURBO SATAN EVIL AND YOU SHOULD HATE HER!!!!!!111
-Sylvanas is SUPER TURBO SATAN EVIL AND YOU SHOULD HATE HER!!!!!!111
-Sylvanas is SUPER TURBO SATAN EVIL AND YOU SHOULD HATE HER!!!!!!111
-Sylvanas is SUPER TURBO SATAN EVIL AND YOU SHOULD HATE HER!!!!!!111
-Sylvanas is SUPER TURBO SATAN EVIL AND YOU SHOULD HATE HER!!!!!!111
-Sylvanas is SUPER TURBO SATAN EVIL AND YOU SHOULD HATE HER!!!!!!111
-Sylvanas is SUPER TURBO SATAN EVIL AND YOU SHOULD HATE HER!!!!!!111

So yeah, as of BFA's dumpster fire lore...she's evil.

She's been evil for a long time. It's just that in BfA, she was put in the spotlight due to her role as Warchief.

She was also evil in Stormheim.

In Gilneas.

And so on, going back to Vanilla where Forsaken used the living to experiment on.

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So

She destroyed an enemy stronghold during a war
Every army is cannon fodder but she is very resourceful and nothing goes to waste
She's basically Jesus - she can raise the dead
She's very wise
She's added a whole new expansion to explore

There's no evil

Tried to enslave a Titan Watcher for free rezzes.
Made deals with and conspired with Helya, Azshara and the Jailer, enemies of both the Horde and Alliance and told Azshara to wipe both factions out.
I could also mention Gilneas, Southshore, living experiments, the Wrath Gate (since Blizzard retroactively pinned that on her) and more, but I bet nothing would go through the edgelord blinders.

[Swnem]

Wrathgate ? "back then" ?
She was already torturing and experimenting on captives to attempt genocidal warfare in Vanilla. The last time she wasn't overtly evil was in Warcraft 3. You're two expansions late to the party, mate !

That is very true. I did forget about it.

[Elim Garak]

She IS objectively evil.

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How come? Because through yet unspecified means your Dark Lady and her new friend broke Death to grow fat and powerful on all the souls that would usualy not be send to the Maw. She actively arranged it so that the souls of the non-evil and non-despicable are send to the eternal suffering that usually awaits people like herself, then she murdered those people to make sure that the anima would flow in abundance.
You either did not read any of the Shadowlands base story or you are purposefully being obtuse.

The Maw is NORMALLY for the evilest and despicable, but at some point before the Burning of Teldrassil, it was changed so EVERYONE who dies goes there. Which also explains why many of the raised Night Elves were so willing to join the Forsaken, they felt betrayed by Elune for (as far as they knew) abandoning them to a horrific afterlife.

So...Sylvanas being sent to the Maw doesn't mean she's necessarily evil, right?

[Yarathir]

That is very true. I did forget about it.

They were also working on the Blight as a weapon as early as Classic.

Sylvanas has never been a good person. She's always kept herself standing on her status as a victim of Arthas as a crutch for all her deeds. Now, we've gotten to the point where she's as bad as him, if not worse.

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So...Sylvanas being sent to the Maw doesn't mean she's necessarily evil, right?

It does mean she's necessarily evil because she went there before she helped break the Shadowlands and made it so that everybody that died went to the Maw by default.

She went to the Maw when it was still perfectly functional. So she's evil. Objectively.

[Varodoc]

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So...Sylvanas being sent to the Maw doesn't mean she's necessarily evil, right?

Wrong. Blizzard already confirmed the machine of death broke in Legion. Sylvanas was sent to the Maw at the end of WoTLK. Meaning that Sylvanas going to the Maw was not a mistake, unlike the victims of the Burning of Teldrassil.

[schwank05]

I mean, she has damned countless people, including the civilians of Teldrassil (possibly children as well) as well as many Alliance and Horde soldiers (which include her own people aka the Forsaken), to a torturous afterlife. Death is one thing, it happens in war, but this.....this is beyond justifiable. There is no hidden plan, no greater good. She is evil, though I wish the writers hadn't written her this way. There was a time when her ruthlessness was used for the good of her people.

Yes, and this is why I loved her as Warchief. I started playing Horde in 2005 and never looked back I wanted to play the badass looking monster faction that was perceived as evil. I instantly fell in love with the Forsaken who doesn't want to play an Undead, I loved when we would go around spreading the plague and randomly murdering people, I loved that we were trying to kill off main lore characters and not off screen. I loved everything about her rein. Now we are stuck with the soy boy lame ass lets all sit in a circle and hold hands horde under Baine and Thrall again.

[Elim Garak]

It does mean she's necessarily evil because she went there before she helped break the Shadowlands and made it so that everybody that died went to the Maw by default.

She went to the Maw when it was still perfectly functional. So she's evil. Objectively.

Nope. If it's possible to send someone to the maw who is not evil, you cannot use that fact as proof of evil. It could've been arranged so to force Sylvanas do the Jailer's bidding.

Wrong. Blizzard already confirmed the machine of death broke in Legion. Sylvanas was sent to the Maw at the end of WoTLK. Meaning that Sylvanas going to the Maw was not a mistake, unlike the victims of the Burning of Teldrassil.

Wrong. If machine of death can be broken - it can also be tinkered with.

[Violent]

Everyone knows this. If someone still denies this, they are either:

1) Trolling.
2) A Sylvanas fanboy that started playing in Legion.

Either way, ignore them because they are objectively wrong.

Objectively, because Blizz decided to figuratively "kill off" Slyl's motivation for being an at least "decently" undead character?

That's a big No-Go, Bud.

That's pretty much saying the exact opposite, for the same reason you cited.

You're a fan-boy for her being evil. You love to hate her, because you were made to.

Which, is objectively wrong.

[Melusine]

Americans are evil because they bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

lul logic

War is an ugly thing. Maybe they should have thought about that before launching an unprovoked attack against Pearl Harbor... If you can't take the hit, don't hit. And personally, I condone retaliatory violence, and find the scales to be arbitrary, so, there's that.

[Varodoc]

Nope. If it's possible to send someone to the maw who is not evil, you cannot use that fact as proof of evil. It could've been arranged so to force Sylvanas do the Jailer's bidding.


Wrong. If machine of death can be broken - it can also be tinkered with.

There is literally no indication whatsoever that this happened. I am not interested in your baseless assumptions.

Objectively, because Blizz decided to figuratively "kill off" Slyl's motivation for being an at least "decently" undead character?

That's a big No-Go, Bud.

That's pretty much saying the exact opposite, for the same reason you cited.

You're a fan-boy for her being evil. You love to hate her, because you were made to.

Which, is objectively wrong.

No, i am just someone who paid attention to the story and correctly interpreted her character. You can have your own fanfic version of Sylvanas in which she was never evil, just know that it contradicts the canon version presented by Blizzard.

[Violent]

There is literally no indication whatsoever that this happened. I am not interested in your baseless assumptions.



No, i am just someone who paid attention to the story and correctly interpreted her character. You can have your own fanfic version of Sylvanas in which she was never evil, just know that it contradicts the canon version presented by Blizzard.

"Evil" is not Black & white in WOW, Guy... How much attention have you been paying?

Seems to me you still owe attention.

[Accendor]

Which also explains why many of the raised Night Elves were so willing to join the Forsaken, they felt betrayed by Elune for (as far as they knew) abandoning them to a horrific afterlife.

Stop writing the story for Blizzard, that is not what happened.

[Paarthurnax]

She's pure dagnasty evil, its just a fact!

[Violent]

Stop writing the story for Blizzard, that is not what happened.

I agree, that premise is horrible.

[bowlink]

The Maw is NORMALLY for the evilest and despicable, but at some point before the Burning of Teldrassil, it was changed so EVERYONE who dies goes there. Which also explains why many of the raised Night Elves were so willing to join the Forsaken, they felt betrayed by Elune for (as far as they knew) abandoning them to a horrific afterlife.

the Lore about aldenweald pinpoint the change for souls to be all send to the maw happend after Ysera's death. now seeing that its implied that stormheim storyline takes place the last thanks through a pirate quest in Azsuna, that would place change to send all the souls to the maw. right around the time Sylvanas made her deal with Helya