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  1. #521
    Quote Originally Posted by music49 View Post
    Yea, but it's just a game so it's okay to be evil.
    That's totally true. The problem is people are trying to justify the stuff she did as not actually evil. And some of the stretching to make that happen would make Mr. Fantastic blush.

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  2. #522
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    No, they're evil because their leaders don't fight in a bikini. Come now, let's be real.
    Which Horde leader fights in a bikini in BFA? Funny you should make a snide remark about models showing skin while you have Alleria's pic as your avatar here. Or do sexy tops don't count? Next time try harder.

  3. #523
    Quote Originally Posted by Shefu View Post
    Which Horde leader fights in a bikini in BFA? Funny you should make a snide remark about models showing skin while you have Alleria's pic as your avatar here. Or do sexy tops don't count? Next time try harder.
    Pass me some salt bro.

    And, well, my avatar doesn't highlight Alleria's underwears, so I don't see how that's a relevant comparison.
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  4. #524
    Whats the problem if she is? Is there one? Evil characters make stories more interesting. Or you rather have her be like boring AF Anduin? All righteous bla bla bla morality bla bla bla.

    Im tired of these fantasies where the good guys win, its boring. Its fantasy! Make it as interesting as possible. In fact, give us more toons that are willing to destroy, kill, torture, anything. Especially unexpected characters, twist things a bit.

    If Sylvanas is actually evil, let her win, she is strong as hell, she can beat us to the ground. LET HER!

  5. #525
    Quote Originally Posted by Xeh.- View Post
    Whats the problem if she is? Is there one? Evil characters make stories more interesting. Or you rather have her be like boring AF Anduin? All righteous bla bla bla morality bla bla bla.

    Im tired of these fantasies where the good guys win, its boring. Its fantasy! Make it as interesting as possible. In fact, give us more toons that are willing to destroy, kill, torture, anything. Especially unexpected characters, twist things a bit.

    If Sylvanas is actually evil, let her win, she is strong as hell, she can beat us to the ground. LET HER!
    Do you own a body pillow?

  6. #526
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Do you own a body pillow?
    Not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeh.- View Post
    Whats the problem if she is? Is there one? Evil characters make stories more interesting. Or you rather have her be like boring AF Anduin? All righteous bla bla bla morality bla bla bla.

    Im tired of these fantasies where the good guys win, its boring. Its fantasy! Make it as interesting as possible. In fact, give us more toons that are willing to destroy, kill, torture, anything. Especially unexpected characters, twist things a bit.

    If Sylvanas is actually evil, let her win, she is strong as hell, she can beat us to the ground. LET HER!
    There is no problem with her being evil. The problem is that people are in denial.

    Also, hell no, Sylvana's shouldn't win if she is a raid boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFD1992 View Post
    There is no problem with her being evil. The problem is that people are in denial.

    Also, hell no, Sylvana's shouldn't win if she is a raid boss.
    Sylvanas will "win" in the sense that Kerrigan "won" in SC2. Come to think of it, Sylvanas is just a !@#$tier Kerrigan.
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    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

  9. #529
    Complete "LOL" if you think Blizzard will let Sylvanas be a pure villain.
    Dont you know Blizzard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeh.- View Post

    If Sylvanas is actually evil, let her win, she is strong as hell, she can beat us to the ground. LET HER!
    Remember the end of WC3, with the LK/Arthas standing triumphant? Imagine something like that happening today... All these moralists, 24/7 Human Paladin LARPs would tear their vestments, horrified to no end
    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Remember the end of WC3, with the LK/Arthas standing triumphant? Imagine something like that happening today... All these moralists, 24/7 Human Paladin LARPs would tear their vestments, horrified to no end
    You assume we are all Human Paladins, guess again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFD1992 View Post
    You assume we are all Human Paladins, guess again.
    Maybe you aren't, but you are RP'ing one just fine
    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Maybe you aren't, but you are RP'ing one just fine
    How so? Seriously, enlighten me.

  14. #534
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Remember the end of WC3, with the LK/Arthas standing triumphant? Imagine something like that happening today... All these moralists, 24/7 Human Paladin LARPs would tear their vestments, horrified to no end
    Well, WC3 is an MMORPG and we beat Arthas in WoTLK.

    Also Sylvanas is simply too dumb to win and doesn't deserve it despite all the pretending that she's some mastermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Maybe you aren't, but you are RP'ing one just fine
    Rent-free my dude.

  15. #535
    Quote Originally Posted by Xeh.- View Post
    Whats the problem if she is? Is there one? Evil characters make stories more interesting. Or you rather have her be like boring AF Anduin? All righteous bla bla bla morality bla bla bla.

    Im tired of these fantasies where the good guys win, its boring. Its fantasy! Make it as interesting as possible. In fact, give us more toons that are willing to destroy, kill, torture, anything. Especially unexpected characters, twist things a bit.

    If Sylvanas is actually evil, let her win, she is strong as hell, she can beat us to the ground. LET HER!
    I'm not sure you understood what kind of game WoW is. It's not a depressing story where the good guys lose. It's a cheerful story where in the end the villains are defeated and get what they deserve. This has been the formula since Classic. Sylvanas is a villain and antagonist, thus she will lose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Remember the end of WC3, with the LK/Arthas standing triumphant? Imagine something like that happening today... All these moralists, 24/7 Human Paladin LARPs would tear their vestments, horrified to no end
    Huh, Arthas was the protagonist, so of course he won. Players were cheering for him because he was the main character, so we wanted him to win. We would still cheer for him if WC3 was released today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draylock View Post
    Did you read what you just wrote before posting it? Seems like I got you hurt and now you're just randomly babbling in retaliation.
    Are you seriously gonna say the writing in this game is good in the last 3-4 years? Are you seriously gonna say Christie Golden, who's responsible for the lore, is not terribly in favor of the alliance? Then you lack any kind of taste or awareness in writing, unfortunately.

    Then you take two points, that are literally proving each other and fail to understand them. Not due to any kind of mental deficiencies, but simply cause they make you emotionally uncomfortable. Cause if those points are correct (hint: they are), your simplistic "HURR DURR SYLVANAS EVIL" worldview shatters terribly. Human beings haven't found definitions of objective good and evil. Which is why they agreed upon a certain set of rules for everyone to follow. If they did - they wouldn't need that set of rules.

    Is Sylvanas evil from the point of view of alliance and the soy Horde? Of course, she is, no doubt about that. Is she evil in the view of her supporters or people that see alliance for what it is? No, not really. Can you say that she is "objectively evil"? No, you can't, because there's no such thing as objectively evil.

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    Is it an enemy in a VIDEOGAME? Yup, totally ok.
    Taste is subjective...edgelords who love death don't typically have great tastes.

    Yes she is...her supporters help her because like you and her they crave death, wanting to kill people for the sake of killing people is evil no matter how much you try to claim otherwise. She started the war for no other reason than the body count...she didn't care who died...Horde died...Undead died. All she wanted was death and nothing more...that is evil no matter how you try to tap dance around it and pretend otherwise.

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    @Yarathir @Fleugen of course Sylvanas is a terribly written villain. Way to screw one of the most iconic characters in the entire franchise... If writers really wanted to make her the big bad, they could have pulled up a Thanos or something, instead of the eVuLL Mary Sue we've ended up with.
    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

  18. #538
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    @Yarathir @Fleugen of course Sylvanas is a terribly written villain. Way to screw one of the most iconic characters in the entire franchise... If writers really wanted to make her the big bad, they could have pulled up a Thanos or something, instead of the eVuLL Mary Sue we've ended up with.
    She's been a meh character since at least after WoTLK.

  19. #539
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Pass me some salt bro.

    And, well, my avatar doesn't highlight Alleria's underwears, so I don't see how that's a relevant comparison.
    You're the one who replied to my comment bro, if anyone is the salt keeper here it's you.

  20. #540
    Quote Originally Posted by Shefu View Post
    You're the one who replied to my comment bro, if anyone is the salt keeper here it's you.
    Well, you believe the entire Alliance is evil and oppressive, so I wanted to know where the meanie Alliance gankers touched you.
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