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  1. #161
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    There will be a banwave once the botting and gold selling is completely getting out of control. My guess would be beginning of p6 ...

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaHandsB View Post
    Pulling ZG in one pull makes it an immersive online world. That's a new one.
    No, it’s just that it doesn’t fucking matter when the design isn’t about finding a way to make every minute aspect of the game a scaling, repeatable way to get everyone on an endless gear treadmill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Your comment would make sense if WoW since Vanilla wasn't full of tryhards competing with eachother.
    Competing with each other for what? The content is relatively easy. Everyone can complete everything.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Piesor View Post
    There will be a banwave once the botting and gold selling is completely getting out of control. My guess would be beginning of p6 ...
    so basically when classic is almost over lol

    its been out of hand since months

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    Could you be so kind and show me where Blizzard says how you were supposed to play Vanilla WoW?
    Could you also be so kind to show me where Blizzard says how you are supposed to play Classic WoW?
    Statements of intent do not need to exist when one can simply look at the design and come to conclusions about goals. For example, when there is an endless obsession with turning everything in the game into an e-sport, and everything is homogenized into a uniform paste, it’s pretty easy to see the design intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akka View Post
    We're now nine month after release and we still have servers with layers and locked due to overpopulation.
    Guess we actually did, because else the game would be empty because everyone would have stopped playing, herp derp.
    Well, many of the servers are dead and empty. There's a few islands of population that are layered and locked due to mass character transfers.
    "Okay, Robin. Together, we're gonna punch these guys so hard, words describing the impact are gonna spontaneously materialize out of thin air."
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  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    As I stated before, I'm well aware of how inflation works. yes, more currency in an economy will lead to inflation.

    My issue is you trying to state your opinion about inflation as an objective fact. Stating that they will be harmed as a result, or that their experience will be worse is simply your subjective opinion.

    Two. Different. Things.

    I pointed out how their experience could be better as a result, which means it's not an objective fact, merely your pinion. I'm not disputing your assertion that inflation exists, or how it occurs. I'm disputing your claim that it will objectively harm their experience.
    You pointed out how if the person does something they detest, the rest of their experience could possibly be better. This is correct. They did something they detest. Their experience is worse. By choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    The purchasing power of each unit of currency diminishes with inflation, but if your income rises faster than the rate of inflation then your real income goes up.
    If you weren't aware then people's real income can go up during high inflation and the opposite can also be true.

    The bad, the lazy, the shitters will have their real income go down, the good, those with a work ethic and those who are able to touch their nose with their finger will have their real income go up.

    That is the true vanilla experience, and actually a true American experience, the vast majority will be shit and poor, the tiny majority will be good and rich.

    Which group do you belong to?
    Yes, the bad, the lazy, and the shitters have a worse experience when inflation occurs.

    I'm not a part of either group. I don't play the game.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    You pointed out how if the person does something they detest, the rest of their experience could possibly be better. This is correct. They did something they detest. Their experience is worse. By choice.

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    Yes, the bad, the lazy, and the shitters have a worse experience when inflation occurs.

    I'm not a part of either group. I don't play the game.
    So, it's subjective... good to know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Ignoring the outliers as that is what they are, people have the same opportunities. To say that they don't have the same choices is wrong. Work or not. Educate or not. Every choice has a sacrifice. For some the sacrifice is greater. Just because the sacrifice is greater doesn't preclude them from making a decision. Having other people make the same decision in an "easier situation" doesn't mean that they affect that original person. You have a choice. If you chose to not take the path that rewards more whether it is an engineering degree or using the most efficient farming technique it is nobody's fault but your own. If you choose NOT to take advantage then that is your own fault. What other people do is irrelevant.

    Stop being wrong.
    Correct, they have the same opportunities. One of those opportunities requires them to do more of something they don't like. That leads to a worse experience. You are now saying 'do something you don't like so that you can have the same experience as before.' I think that satisfies the definition of 'worse experience.' Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    Your problem is that people who don’t play the game don’t get to play the game?

    You have to realise a videogame does not equate to real life, because the videogame is an opt-in scenario, real life isn’t.

    So, you’ve DECIDED to play the game. The idea you should be able to play the game, and be succesful regardless of what you do, is so entitled it’s ludicrous.

    Or do you also believe super mario should be playable without using the jump button, because you don’t like it?
    If jumping is added to mario, and I don't like it, yes, my experience is now objectively worse. Other people benefit from jumping, and I do too, but it's not my prefered experience. My experience is worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Opposite to real life, you do not need any money(gold) at all ingame because you can just farm it yourself.

    Want some flask and pots? Play a char with herbing/alchemy and make them yourself. It doesn't matter at all how expensive a finished flask is selling on the AH because you can make your own without depending on anyone else.
    The entire discussion is centered around a person who does not want to farm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    So, it's subjective... good to know.
    No, since they were required to do something worse to achieve the same result, that is objectively worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Correct, they have the same opportunities. One of those opportunities requires them to do more of something they don't like. That leads to a worse experience. You are now saying 'do something you don't like so that you can have the same experience as before.' I think that satisfies the definition of 'worse experience.' Thank you.

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    If jumping is added to mario, and I don't like it, yes, my experience is now objectively worse. Other people benefit from jumping, and I do too, but it's not my prefered experience. My experience is worse.

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    The entire discussion is centered around a person who does not want to farm.

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    No, since they were required to do something worse to achieve the same result, that is objectively worse.
    I showed how it could be enjoyed more, so it's not objectively true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I showed how it could be enjoyed more, so it's not objectively true.
    Its premise requires doing something that the player won't do because it's not enjoyable.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Its premise requires doing something that the player won't do because it's not enjoyable.
    But, with there being more incentive, then they may enjoy it... Yo also forgot that they can also make more gold via the AH as a result, meaning there's yet another avenue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    The entire discussion is centered around a person who does not want to farm.
    If you want to have stuff you gotta farm.

    Either farm gold and buy stuff, or farm stuff to have stuff.

    How do you propose a person who doesn't want to do either get stuff? Gotta do something.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    If you want to have stuff you gotta farm.

    Either farm gold and buy stuff, or farm stuff to have stuff.

    How do you propose a person who doesn't want to do either get stuff? Gotta do something.
    I'm not proposing this. I'm saying their experience is worse. They get less stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    But, with there being more incentive, then they may enjoy it... Yo also forgot that they can also make more gold via the AH as a result, meaning there's yet another avenue.
    Regardless, since others earn gold at a higher rate, anything they do is net negative economically.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    I'm not proposing this. I'm saying their experience is worse. They get less stuff.

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    Regardless, since others earn gold at a higher rate, anything they do is net negative economically.
    Not necessarily, work the AH.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    I'm not proposing this. I'm saying their experience is worse. They get less stuff.
    Thats like saying people who dont want to jump in super mario have a worse experience. True, but meaningless. Like your whole argument.

  16. #176
    WoW in the West is gradually eroding to be like China's, the bastard gold sellers have migrated to profit off our realms because it's more lucrative compared to theirs [10 times more so]... and Blizzard are doing FUCK ALL.
    Last edited by Daedius; 2020-06-14 at 06:09 PM.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by ymirsson View Post
    Thats like saying people who dont want to jump in super mario have a worse experience. True, but meaningless. Like your whole argument.
    No, it's factual. If you don't like jumping, and mario introduces this new mechanic called 'jumping' then your enjoyment of the game decreases. It's not rocket surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Not necessarily, work the AH.
    Since "working the AH" has always been an option, I'm not sure it's a reasonable argument in favor of your side.

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    No, it's factual. If you don't like jumping, and mario introduces this new mechanic called 'jumping' then your enjoyment of the game decreases. It's not rocket surgery.

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    Since "working the AH" has always been an option, I'm not sure it's a reasonable argument in favor of your side.
    And there's more of an incentive to do it, so your opinion is simply subjective.

    Farming has also always been an option, including the way they are farming now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And there's more of an incentive to do it, so your opinion is simply subjective.

    Farming has also always been an option, including the way they are farming now.
    Farming not being an option is the entire assumption of the argument.

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    I think this will cause Blizzard to add in transmog to classic.

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