The Blood Elves discussion thread

[Rhlor]

Not really. Elves of Quel'thalas did embrace practices of Kael, it was Rommath who tought them... you could even saw fel crystals all over Silvermoon and Eversong. Elves were draining mana from creatures until Sunwell was restored... so you can't really say they were not involved in any of his practices. If you do, you ignore established blood elf lore.

The important part is that elves in Quel'thalas knew nothing of Kael's alliance with Kil'Jaeden and once they learned the truth, those who were not swayed by his propaganda stayed with the Horde and faced their Prince. Now I believe it is canon that Horde cleared Tempest Keep?

I agree that most of TBC lore is a mess and could be handled way better.

The Warcraft Encyclopedia/Blood Elves

Even so, the prince's relatively quick acceptance of dire measures (e.g., draining magic from demons) is by no means characteristic of blood elves in general. The blood elves of Outland have by now discovered Kael'thas' agreement with Illidan, and they have for the most part become convinced of its necessity. Most blood elves still live on Azeroth, though. Few of these elves know of Kael'thas' pact with Illidan, and many would be horrified if they discovered it. Draining magic from small mana-bearing vermin is a far cry from draining magic from demons. Yet, as their hunger grows, blood elves--particularly those in Outland--are becoming increasingly inured to the things they must do in order to obtain more magic.

[Vaedan]

The Warcraft Encyclopedia/Blood Elves

Even so, the prince's relatively quick acceptance of dire measures (e.g., draining magic from demons) is by no means characteristic of blood elves in general. The blood elves of Outland have by now discovered Kael'thas' agreement with Illidan, and they have for the most part become convinced of its necessity. Most blood elves still live on Azeroth, though. Few of these elves know of Kael'thas' pact with Illidan, and many would be horrified if they discovered it. Draining magic from small mana-bearing vermin is a far cry from draining magic from demons. Yet, as their hunger grows, blood elves--particularly those in Outland--are becoming increasingly inured to the things they must do in order to obtain more magic.

You just basically confirmed what I said. Kael came with the practice of mana tapping and majority of elves adopted it, thinking it is necessary and relatively harmless. Those who did not want to do that were exiled and came back to name high elves.

It is still stands true that elves taken up Kael's practices. Not all of them, since draining demons was done only by most zealous Kael's followers who later become Felbloods.

[Rhlor]

You just basically confirmed what I said. Kael came with the practice of mana tapping and majority of elves adopted it, thinking it is necessary and relatively harmless. Those who did not want to do that were exiled and came back to name high elves.

It is still stands true that elves taken up Kael's practices. Not all of them, since draining demons was done only by most zealous Kael's followers who later become Felbloods.

Even so, the prince's relatively quick acceptance of dire measures (e.g., draining magic from demons) is by no means characteristic of blood elves in general.

The one who taught the blood elves to extract mana from the mana wyrm was rommath and he learned that from illidan, rommath told them that it was an idea of kaelthas so that the people would be happy. the blood elves of quelthalas did not have the same practices of kaelthas since kaelthas and his followers used demons.

[ravenmoon]

can't you have a debate without naming nightborne / night elf?

There you go:

Maybe I didn't explain it well, blizzard all these years destroyed the horde, practically killed the racial leaders of all the playable races of the horde or made them villains! our faction went through two civil wars in a narrative we all hate!

You are entitled to hate their narrative, but the [figurative] destruction of the horde was not the narrative, but the inclusion of the alliance into it. This destroyed the identity of the horde. The events are just story, their inclusion doesn't destroy a horde faction, they wouldn't do that especially to the primary, most powerful, popular, most played and renowned faction. There is a reason why the story is both not enjoyable to a lot of people and very difficult to please the fans - it's based in a faction they are trying to make be everything and the best at everything. Best at both the horde races and the best of what the alliance races can be.

They are trying to have the cake and eat on the horde, and it just doesn't work..

Narrative wise much of it is story, and the horde dominates, it's all about the horde. The whole refashioning of the horde from BfA is trying give a horde with alliance races involved. This has necessitated a redefinition, and the current version is a shadow of what the horde was and felt like from Wc1 to the end of WoW classic.

This is because the new horde has to include alliance races like blood elves and Nightborne behaving and operating like the high elves and kaldorei civilization they are, full of alliance type ideals, nobility, ideology, standards of civilization, morality, culture, religion and sense of justice...its all alliance based.

Its effectively diluted the horde and turned it into a quasi confused mess, they'd rather try to redefine than just simply remove the cancerous alliance elements by placing them back on the alliance and severely reducing the prominence of the remaining blood elves and Nightborne.

That's why the horde is having this narrative problem. Ignore and remove the elves or greatly minimise them and the horde can have a clear, well defined identity a strong narrative can be built around

The plus side is that blood elves and Nightborne would still be playable, they just wont have the bragging rights stuff like Silvermoon or Suramar, and they would no longer be this large glorious elven nations on the horde, all of those things will still be there on the alliance if you like that, where they belong, but if you like the blood elves and Nightborne they'd still be on the horde, just not influential enough

and I repeat once again the blood elves do not have the focus of attention of the horde from TBC only a few quests and some small camps until isle of thunder! our racial leader for those who did not know our lore was a joke!

Never said they were the focus of the horde, again, as I observed, you haven't understood what I am saying please carefully read it again and pause to take it in. Do not get angry until you have read the whole thing.

The presence of the blood elves and Nightborne in the full glory and remaining might of both the high elves and the night elven civilisation on the horde is what the problem to the horde and its identity.

They are drawing and keeping alliance players on the horde and preventing the alliance from shining as it should do with its core races. Having the best of the alliance races dominant on the horde (and by this I mean having the full Thalassian and kaldorei stuff their - whether its playing strong roles in the narrative or not it's very visible and prominent. Not to mention they keep showing up too.

Their prominence is accentuated by how much they stand out to the horde races, you notice them instantly in the lore and story, which is why they should hardly be seen or heard of on that faction to avoid obscuring the actual horde races which they are doing with that level of visibility and prominence in their assets.
Player presence is enough for the horde, it is the alliance that should have them visible, so they are strongly associated with that faction in the narrative seeing that they are alliance races,

Please if you can't see all the pain and misery that blizzard gave us over the years then I can't seriously argue with you. and I'm going to ask you one more time please stop talking about other elves in this thread

I can, and do. Do you not know the alliance has been suffering even more, and that much of this crisis is tied to the confusion and meshing of alliance with horde on the horde by the presence of the fullness of both the high elves and now the kaldorei's best and brightest visible lore elements on it.

Its created a much bigger problem that's harder to see or appreciate because it seems so innocent and hard to quantify.

[Vaedan]

Even so, the prince's relatively quick acceptance of dire measures (e.g., draining magic from demons) is by no means characteristic of blood elves in general.

That literaly says that DIRE MEASURES, like DRAINING MAGIC FROM DEMONS was not common thing among blood elves. As it is described further in the text, mana draining from creatures was not considered dire measure... so what your point exactly? It basically says most blood elves did not resort in the most dangerous methods. Those who did were the most fanatical followers who become felblood elves later.

The one who taught the blood elves to extract mana from the mana wyrm was rommath and he learned that from illidan, rommath told them that it was an idea of kaelthas so that the people would be happy. the blood elves of quelthalas did not have the same practices of kaelthas since kaelthas and his followers used demons.

Rommath was sent to Quel'thalas by Kael to reclaim Quel'thalas from Scourge, rebuild Silvermoon and spread his teachings, which he did and until Sunwell was restored, blood elves followed that path. Don't forget that Rommath was one of the Kaels closest friends and was fiercely loyal to him until Kael showed his true colors and so were many of sin'dorei of Silvermoon, who had very little information of events in Outland. Blood elves and high elves refer to mana tapping as "Kael's teachings" on several occasions, so Kael is the one who is responsible for that. At the end of the day, it is a good thing, since it definitely helped blood elves survive.

Even though Kael turned to be power hungry traitor, he still did good things for his people, before he gone mad. I don't know why you insist so much on denying his positive role for blood elves, because Kael was not only madman who sold out his people to Burning Legion for all the time.

[Rhlor]

That literaly says that DIRE MEASURES, like DRAINING MAGIC FROM DEMONS was not common thing among blood elves. As it is described further in the text, mana draining from creatures was not considered dire measure... so what your point exactly? It basically says most blood elves did not resort in the most dangerous methods. Those who did were the most fanatical followers who become felblood elves later.



Rommath was sent to Quel'thalas by Kael to reclaim Quel'thalas from Scourge, rebuild Silvermoon and spread his teachings, which he did and until Sunwell was restored, blood elves followed that path. Don't forget that Rommath was one of the Kaels closest friends and was fiercely loyal to him until Kael showed his true colors and so were many of sin'dorei of Silvermoon, who had very little information of events in Outland. Blood elves and high elves refer to mana tapping as "Kael's teachings" on several occasions, so Kael is the one who is responsible for that. At the end of the day, it is a good thing, since it definitely helped blood elves survive.

Even though Kael turned to be power hungry traitor, he still did good things for his people, before he gone mad. I don't know why you insist so much on denying his positive role for blood elves, because Kael was not only madman who sold out his people to Burning Legion for all the time.

The Warcraft Encyclopedia/Blood Elves
"Heartened by their swift recovery, most of Kael'thas' group chose to stay in Outland and further their studies, but Grand Magister Rommath was sent back to Azeroth, bearing a message of hope for the blood elves still in Quel'Thalas. He relayed tales of a glorious promised land, spread the teachings of Illidan--teachings that Rommath smoothly attributed to Prince Kael'thas--and planted the notion that Kael'thas might one day return to lead his people to paradise.

Rommath remained in Quel'Thalas to help rebuild and await the prince's return. Thanks to Rommath, the blood elves on Azeroth learned how to drain arcane magic and feed their addiction."

were illidan teaching

kael'thas used demons, the blood elves in quelthalas, thanks to the teachings of rommath, used mana wyrm.

the elves of quelthalas would have been horrified if they found out what kaelthas was doing.

[Vaedan]

The Warcraft Encyclopedia/Blood Elves
"Heartened by their swift recovery, most of Kael'thas' group chose to stay in Outland and further their studies, but Grand Magister Rommath was sent back to Azeroth, bearing a message of hope for the blood elves still in Quel'Thalas. He relayed tales of a glorious promised land, spread the teachings of Illidan--teachings that Rommath smoothly attributed to Prince Kael'thas--and planted the notion that Kael'thas might one day return to lead his people to paradise.

Rommath remained in Quel'Thalas to help rebuild and await the prince's return. Thanks to Rommath, the blood elves on Azeroth learned how to drain arcane magic and feed their addiction."

were illidan teaching

kael'thas used demons, the blood elves in quelthalas, thanks to the teachings of rommath, used mana wyrm.

the elves of quelthalas would have been horrified if they found out what kaelthas was doing.

Most of blood elves in Quel'thalas did not know about Illidan, that's why it was sold out as Kael's teachings. Even Arcane golems monitoring city streets used to praise Kael. As wowpedia says, Rommath was sent by Kael to Quel'thalas, he did what he was told. You are right some elves would be horrified or disgusted, but there were many who were not and were doing it in the name of survival.

[Rhlor]

There you go:





You are entitled to hate their narrative, but the [figurative] destruction of the horde was not the narrative, but the inclusion of the alliance into it. This destroyed the identity of the horde. The events are just story, their inclusion doesn't destroy a horde faction, they wouldn't do that especially to the primary, most powerful, popular, most played and renowned faction. There is a reason why the story is both not enjoyable to a lot of people and very difficult to please the fans - it's based in a faction they are trying to make be everything and the best at everything. Best at both the horde races and the best of what the alliance races can be.

They are trying to have the cake and eat on the horde, and it just doesn't work..

Narrative wise much of it is story, and the horde dominates, it's all about the horde. The whole refashioning of the horde from BfA is trying give a horde with alliance races involved. This has necessitated a redefinition, and the current version is a shadow of what the horde was and felt like from Wc1 to the end of WoW classic.

This is because the new horde has to include alliance races like blood elves and Nightborne behaving and operating like the high elves and kaldorei civilization they are, full of alliance type ideals, nobility, ideology, standards of civilization, morality, culture, religion and sense of justice...its all alliance based.

Its effectively diluted the horde and turned it into a quasi confused mess, they'd rather try to redefine than just simply remove the cancerous alliance elements by placing them back on the alliance and severely reducing the prominence of the remaining blood elves and Nightborne.

That's why the horde is having this narrative problem. Ignore and remove the elves or greatly minimise them and the horde can have a clear, well defined identity a strong narrative can be built around

The plus side is that blood elves and Nightborne would still be playable, they just wont have the bragging rights stuff like Silvermoon or Suramar, and they would no longer be this large glorious elven nations on the horde, all of those things will still be there on the alliance if you like that, where they belong, but if you like the blood elves and Nightborne they'd still be on the horde, just not influential enough




Never said they were the focus of the horde, again, as I observed, you haven't understood what I am saying please carefully read it again and pause to take it in. Do not get angry until you have read the whole thing.

The presence of the blood elves and Nightborne in the full glory and remaining might of both the high elves and the night elven civilisation on the horde is what the problem to the horde and its identity.

They are drawing and keeping alliance players on the horde and preventing the alliance from shining as it should do with its core races. Having the best of the alliance races dominant on the horde (and by this I mean having the full Thalassian and kaldorei stuff their - whether its playing strong roles in the narrative or not it's very visible and prominent. Not to mention they keep showing up too.

Their prominence is accentuated by how much they stand out to the horde races, you notice them instantly in the lore and story, which is why they should hardly be seen or heard of on that faction to avoid obscuring the actual horde races which they are doing with that level of visibility and prominence in their assets.
Player presence is enough for the horde, it is the alliance that should have them visible, so they are strongly associated with that faction in the narrative seeing that they are alliance races,




I can, and do. Do you not know the alliance has been suffering even more, and that much of this crisis is tied to the confusion and meshing of alliance with horde on the horde by the presence of the fullness of both the high elves and now the kaldorei's best and brightest visible lore elements on it.

Its created a much bigger problem that's harder to see or appreciate because it seems so innocent and hard to quantify.



Yes, blood elves aren't paid attention much in the stories, no race really is in this current charater focused /driven narrative, but that's not the main indicator of prominence. v=Visibility is, how they were introduced, what of them is seen or they are in possession of in the story, and how good it is. in the example of the elves, it's the elves' nations and civilization, the nicest of it that's seen and horde - and when the race shows up, it's a much more significant and powerful on the blood elf side or beautiful and magnificent on the Nightborne side than it is on the high/void elf or night elf

We can all see how amazing and shiningly beautiful they are.. this presence they have is very visible ,eclipsing the very faction (the alliance) from which it is entirely themed on. The presence is very big and I'm not just also factoring the players' population, but what they have asset wise too - they have the best alliance cities, and the best alliance races best features and aspects.

you must be kidding

So despite currently the blood elves have almost no important presence in the image of the horde or as a focus of attention, how do you want it to be, isn't that enough?

It does not matter that the allied elf race of the alliance is the most played allied race and the one with the most customization and the only one that received customization in large numbers for the beginning of the expa. And that the allied elf horde race is the one with the least customization, for you is not enough?

It does not matter that the main elf race of the alliance is the one with the most customization of all the playable races and the main elf race of the horde is the one that received the least customization and that almost all that customization was shared with the alliance, that is for you not enough?

It is not enough that an entire zone of the new expa is related to the development of the story of the elf main race of the alliance and that the race elf main of the horde has no importance, is it not enough?

You also want to take away our capital cities? why? why are you so greedy?

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Most of blood elves in Quel'thalas did not know about Illidan, that's why it was sold out as Kael's teachings. Even Arcane golems monitoring city streets used to praise Kael. As wowpedia says, Rommath was sent by Kael to Quel'thalas, he did what he was told. You are right some elves would be horrified or disgusted, but there were many who were not and were doing it in the name of survival.

but what we are discussing is whether it was a kaelthas teaching and it was not, you are arguing if the quelthalas blood elves were following the same kaelthas (using demons) practices and didn't.

[ravenmoon]

blood elves are largely ignored in the horde! Did you see the BFA poster or the cinematic trailer? I didn't see any blood elf.
All the players of the horde liked our narrative until blizz decided that they were going to kill horde characters and turn them into villains. the horde went from being a faction to constant civil wars! that has nothing to do with blood elves!

Yes, blood elves aren't paid attention much in the stories, no race really is in this current charater focused /driven narrative, but that's not the main indicator of prominence. v=Visibility is, how they were introduced, what of them is seen or they are in possession of in the story, and how good it is. in the example of the elves, it's the elves' nations and civilization, the nicest of it that's seen and horde - and when the race shows up, it's a much more significant and powerful on the blood elf side or beautiful and magnificent on the Nightborne side than it is on the high/void elf or night elf

We can all see how amazing and shiningly beautiful they are.. this presence they have is very visible ,eclipsing the very faction (the alliance) from which it is entirely themed on. The presence is very big and I'm not just also factoring the players' population, but what they have asset wise too - they have the best alliance cities, and the best alliance races best features and aspects.


Sigh, you really don't read it do you. Even though you love to quote the whole block.

you must be kidding


So despite currently the blood elves have almost no important presence in the image of the horde or as a focus of attention, how do you want it to be, isn't that enough?


It does not matter that the allied elf race of the alliance is the most played allied race and the one with the most customization and the only one that received customization in large numbers for the beginning of the expa. And that the allied elf horde race is the one with the least customization, for you is not enough?


It does not matter that the main elf race of the alliance is the one with the most customization of all the playable races and the main elf race of the horde is the one that received the least customization and that almost all that customization was shared with the alliance, that is for you not enough?


It is not enough that an entire zone of the new expa is related to the development of the story of the elf main race of the alliance and that the race elf main of the horde has no importance, is it not enough?


You also want to take away our capital cities? why? why are you so greedy?

Yet the alliance is still bleeding numbers to the horde, void elves and other allied races are nice and all, but does not blizzard ensure that it's another refugee, remnant group ? it's not high elves nor Silvermoon nor the kaldorei civilization - the core and best of those races are still gloriously on the horde, and this you are refusing to admit is not the problem.

Void elf popularity shows you how longed for and desired they are, without hardly any story background or assets at all - they're not an indication that it's more than enough, they are the proof that this is what you target and increase. Popularity of the night elves has risen sharply with more positive lore focus and a good customisation round - d'uh, - alliance care about the elves a lot, yet the problem isn't solved.


Tell you what, give the alliance full high elves, return Silvermoon and Quel'thalas to said high elves, and return Suramar to the kaldorei - build up the alliance stories there and watch the numbers rise. Night elves having both their long vigil and pre-sundering fullness with them on the alliance? and the void and high elves having the majesty and scope of the High elf kingdom and capital back - this puts the alliance races and cities with their assets and their glory elements all back on the alliance, it heals it it makes it appealing, and ofc the return of many Nightborne and blood elves back to their kaldorei and high elven roots make for easily interesting stories to write and follow.

And that's not even touching on how the horde will be healed by this, no longer would alliance races seem the nicest and both in models AND in assets, eclipsing every horde race, instead of having the elves shining up the proverbial room of races, you wouldn't have bright Silvermoon or beautiful pale Suramar taking the limelight away .. instead now players will be forced to see the Trolls, tauren, orcs, goblins and these can be improved and elevated.. they will never shine bright with Silvermoon and Suramar - alliance cities and alliance cultures sitting there, it's simply distorting and diluting the horde from what it is.

With them gone and greatly minimised the horde identity is also restored.

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@Rhlor - don't forget to read this too. Look at all the human work done with the new human faces, racial equality blah blah blah - which races surged with the new customisations? Dwarves? Draenei? humans/ Gnomes ? Lol.. no, it was void elves and night elves..

Who and what do alliance fans write and moan about the most? High elves, and night elves, the fact Nightborne and Suramar are on the horde, the fact Silvermoon is on the horde and blood elves aren't playable as high elves on the alliance, which is where they should be.

But you really think none of this is important to players, because you realise admitting it means admitting that blood elves and Nightborne sitting pretty on the horde has to change drastically. You'd pretend that alliance only suffers in mythic raiding and m+, the heart of end game content, so the fact they are grossly outnumbered forcing very casual play as the only feasible option to those on the alliance is because of racials.

[Traveler Voltin]

well this thread was quickly derailed it seems.

[Rhlor]

Yes, blood elves aren't paid attention much in the stories, no race really is in this current charater focused /driven narrative, but that's not the main indicator of prominence. v=Visibility is, how they were introduced, what of them is seen or they are in possession of in the story, and how good it is. in the example of the elves, it's the elves' nations and civilization, the nicest of it that's seen and horde - and when the race shows up, it's a much more significant and powerful on the blood elf side or beautiful and magnificent on the Nightborne side than it is on the high/void elf or night elf

We can all see how amazing and shiningly beautiful they are.. this presence they have is very visible ,eclipsing the very faction (the alliance) from which it is entirely themed on. The presence is very big and I'm not just also factoring the players' population, but what they have asset wise too - they have the best alliance cities, and the best alliance races best features and aspects.


Sigh, you really don't read it do you. Even though you love to quote the whole block.

Yet the alliance is still bleeding numbers to the horde, void elves and other allied races are nice and all, but does not blizzard ensure that it's another refugee, remnant group ? it's not high elves nor Silvermoon nor the kaldorei civilization - the core and best of those races are still gloriously on the horde, and this you are refusing to admit is not the problem.

Void elf popularity shows you how longed for and desired they are, without hardly any story background or assets at all - they're not an indication that it's more than enough, they are the proof that this is what you target and increase. Popularity of the night elves has risen sharply with more positive lore focus and a good customisation round - d'uh, - alliance care about the elves a lot, yet the problem isn't solved.


Tell you what, give the alliance full high elves, return Silvermoon and Quel'thalas to said high elves, and return Suramar to the kaldorei - build up the alliance stories there and watch the numbers rise. Night elves having both their long vigil and pre-sundering fullness with them on the alliance? and the void and high elves having the majesty and scope of the High elf kingdom and capital back - this puts the alliance races and cities with their assets and their glory elements all back on the alliance, it heals it it makes it appealing, and ofc the return of many Nightborne and blood elves back to their kaldorei and high elven roots make for easily interesting stories to write and follow.

And that's not even touching on how the horde will be healed by this, no longer would alliance races seem the nicest and both in models AND in assets, eclipsing every horde race, instead of having the elves shining up the proverbial room of races, you wouldn't have bright Silvermoon or beautiful pale Suramar taking the limelight away .. instead now players will be forced to see the Trolls, tauren, orcs, goblins and these can be improved and elevated.. they will never shine bright with Silvermoon and Suramar - alliance cities and alliance cultures sitting there, it's simply distorting and diluting the horde from what it is.

With them gone and greatly minimised the horde identity is also restored.

I can't take your argument seriously

tell me why the horde numbers in endgame / mythics are better than the alliance in classic? the answer is simple: racial. the pro players only care about the efficiency in pve and as long as the horde has the best races they will continue in the horde.

Blizzard already gave high elf customization for void elves. a lot of people want blonde hair they will surely have it when they upgrade to allied races. Personally, I also support that they have green eyes because the silvermoon scholar are part of the void elf society.

but something absurd is to think that they are going to steal the racial capital of a main race. which is also the most played race of the horde.

[dying2live]

first time posting in this thread but I gotta say this thread was fun at first and even bookmarked but now all of a sudden I see crap about wanting Bloodelves green eyes and now Silvermoon for voidelves like man c'mon with that crap, I enjoyed readin the post knowing I wasn't the only Bloodelf fan out there for over 15yrs but a few making this thread toxic and i'm not calling out anyone but I do hope the mods don't let this become like the other elf thread.

[ravenmoon]

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but something absurd is to think that they are going to steal the racial capital of a main race. which is also the most played race of the horde.

Oh dear, popularity and main race status didn't stop Stormwind from burning or Lordaeron destroyed then going horde, or Silvermoon sacked or going horde, or Orgrimmar from being seiged twice, or Dalaran from being destroyed, Darnassus from being destroyed nor Theramore. Or Lordaeron returning unto Alliance control. (Notice a trend here? Notice who gets better treatment t?)

You just not getting that the only thing that won't change is horde having access to blood elves and Nightborne as playable during WoW's life time...who controls territory or what cities stand, fall or rise are all elements the narrative can play with for a multitude of reasons.

Yet you ignore the very history of this franchise and what's infront of your very eyes regarding this because it makes you more comfortable.

Well, I choose facing truth than comfort, and will be bold to suggest and imagine radical or unusual solutions to problems, rather than let sentiment hold me back.

It comes easier to alliance fans who have watched their races been traded, genocided, destroyed, nerfed, their cities sacked, destroyed or traded. Its easier for us to imagine shifts and loss cos that's been the story the alliance has been shoved.

And you want to imagine Siovermoon is untouchable because you think blood elves, an alliance race that is on the horde is a main race and the most popular played one.

You dont realise that only a fraction of those who play blood elves care whether Silvermoon or Suramar who have no use outside the previous expansions quests involved, stand, fall or swap factions. They play blood elf for class access, racial access or looking good in gear - those players are not going to be up in arms, you might be, but you really over estimate yourself and fail to realise what's infront of you.

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first time posting in this thread but I gotta say this thread was fun at first and even bookmarked but now all of a sudden I see crap about wanting Bloodelves green eyes and now Silvermoon for voidelves like man c'mon with that crap, I enjoyed readin the post knowing I wasn't the only Bloodelf fan out there for over 15yrs but a few making this thread toxic and i'm not calling out anyone but I do hope the mods don't let this become like the other elf thread.

A thread about blood elves should only go on about the things you want to or enjoy talking about, but things that someone else wants to engage on concerning them that you dont like should immediately be silenced and moderated.

Don't worry, that type of censorship is not far behind in your real life, let's see how you like it when your government and police force will start censoring you for saying things they don't like or want to hear.

I mean your Google Facebook and YouTube as well as Twitter have already started doing that in their American nation's affairs this year, government censorship will follow. Even now Eurooean nations are flexing authoritarian muscles with heavily moderated and enforced restrictive measures in the name of Covid-19 controls (you need papers to justify leaving your home in France), but it's happening because people like you run to them, to mummy/authority figures to silence or ban those you don't like or wanna hear or are afraid of - running to the wolf or bully for safety. You welcome it with smiles and sneers, not realising the power over your life you give them and that it will surely bite you in the arse down the line when you wanna do or even need to do something they dont like.

Not realising how much it will damage you. Perhaps you are unaware of the history of the real world you live in cos you spend too much time here or engrossed in work.

[Alanar]

first time posting in this thread but I gotta say this thread was fun at first and even bookmarked but now all of a sudden I see crap about wanting Bloodelves green eyes and now Silvermoon for voidelves like man c'mon with that crap, I enjoyed readin the post knowing I wasn't the only Bloodelf fan out there for over 15yrs but a few making this thread toxic and i'm not calling out anyone but I do hope the mods don't let this become like the other elf thread.

Thats what happends when ravenmoon joins the party.

[Vaedan]

first time posting in this thread but I gotta say this thread was fun at first and even bookmarked but now all of a sudden I see crap about wanting Bloodelves green eyes and now Silvermoon for voidelves like man c'mon with that crap, I enjoyed readin the post knowing I wasn't the only Bloodelf fan out there for over 15yrs but a few making this thread toxic and i'm not calling out anyone but I do hope the mods don't let this become like the other elf thread.

Well, it is right that this thread is definitely meant purely for sin'dorei, who are either Horde or neutral at this moment. While void elves used to be blood elves, they are different now and also have their own thread. Similar discussion is also going on in High Elf thread, so it should remain there and let people who are not interested in other elves then sin'dorei have their own "sanctuary".

Thats what happends when ravenmoon joins the party.

I may understand his position, but I really don't think it is necessary to post in all elf threads about it. It is enough this discussion took over high elf thread, there is no need to spread it to other threads, especially the one which is dedicated to blood elves, who are and will be horde faction, and we know chances that will change are extremely low.

[Thalassian Bob]

It seems that you and I share some likes

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some spoilers for exploring eastern kingdoms
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/SsWy9r2.jpeg[/IG]
-the bazaar witch who had a slave was discovered by the authorities and closed.
-freedom of expression returned and people were again debating ideas in the bazaar.
-magister terrance is now a werehouse of blood elves power objects and also a museum.
-the mounts that drop kael'thas when dying are in the canon being cared for the blood elves in queldanas

Always good to meet a fellow Farstrider!

Thanks for the lore tidbits! Are they all from the same source as you pictured above discussing Lor'themar and Quel'Thalas?

Looking good! I'm going to make my Blood Elf Paladin into a High Elf who is still loyal to the old Alliance of Lordaeron but not on the Grand Alliance so he is one of those neutral Silver Hand old guard. And I'm going to RP him as an Argent Crusader who seeks to lobby for the reunification of the Forsaken and Argent Lordaeronians to bring Eastweald to the Horde

Thanks dude! I think that's a good idea! I always considered my Blood Knight to be pretty against the faction war (most of my characters are) and leaning more towards the Argent Crusade.

[Alanar]

Well, it is right that this thread is definitely meant purely for sin'dorei, who are either Horde or neutral at this moment. While void elves used to be blood elves, they are different now and also have their own thread. Similar discussion is also going on in High Elf thread, so it should remain there and let people who are not interested in other elves then sin'dorei have their own "sanctuary".



I may understand his position, but I really don't think it is necessary to post in all elf threads about it. It is enough this discussion took over high elf thread, there is no need to spread it to other threads, especially the one which is dedicated to blood elves, who are and will be horde faction, and we know chances that will change are extremely low.

People getting fed up by it.. it shows. I mean no one wants to go into a discussion that takes for ever to read and to quote, when eventually if you read between the lines.. you will notice there is nothing to discuss.

[Rhlor]

Always good to meet a fellow Farstrider!

Thanks for the lore tidbits! Are they all from the same source as you pictured above discussing Lor'themar and Quel'Thalas?



Thanks dude! I think that's a good idea! I always considered my Blood Knight to be pretty against the faction war (most of my characters are) and leaning more towards the Argent Crusade.

It is the last page of the section dedicated to visiting quelthalas where Shaw gives a little information.

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Well, it is right that this thread is definitely meant purely for sin'dorei, who are either Horde or neutral at this moment. While void elves used to be blood elves, they are different now and also have their own thread. Similar discussion is also going on in High Elf thread, so it should remain there and let people who are not interested in other elves then sin'dorei have their own "sanctuary".



I may understand his position, but I really don't think it is necessary to post in all elf threads about it. It is enough this discussion took over high elf thread, there is no need to spread it to other threads, especially the one which is dedicated to blood elves, who are and will be horde faction, and we know chances that will change are extremely low.

I think green eyes for void elves is a possibility. after all the silvermoon scholar are part of void elf society.

but is ridiculous to think that silvermoon will be stolen that its restoration is the central basis of the blood elf narrative.

[Thalassian Bob]

It is the last page of the section dedicated to visiting quelthalas where Shaw gives a little information.

Neat!

Also, yeah, the idea that Silvermoon will be made neutral or Alliance is almost as laughable as Stormwind going to the Frostwolves or something. Silvermoon has been a Horde hub for over 13 years in game and around that time in universe as well. While plenty of individual high elves have pledged themselves wholeheartedly to various incarnations of the Alliance over the years, Silvermoon's interest in the Alliance was always tenuous at best.

Plus, the only reason Quel'Thalas fell was because of betrayal from within. Otherwise, the scourge would have never broken the elves' magical defences. Do you think the Regent Lord and his advisers would have something less stringent in place now protecting Silvermoon? The defences are probably even harder to break now and guarded by fanatically loyal magisters handpicked by Rommath.

[ravenmoon]

Neat!

Also, yeah, the idea that Silvermoon will be made neutral or Alliance is almost as laughable as Stormwind going to the Frostwolves or something..

How so? Were the frostwolves ever on the alliance?
Are the frostwolves culture, civilization, nature, religion, characteristics all based , connected to, related to, tied to the alliance?
Were the frostwolves ever intrinsic to the alliance and their culture the primary one all the alliance races are based on
Or the highest version of the alliance?

If this was the case, than the comparison with Stormwind going Frostwolf in mockery would be understandable. It is not in this case.