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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    Demons are NOTHING like that. They are not slaves. They are not pets. They are otherworldly beings SPECIFICALLY contracted and summoned through the use of their True Names. I really wish the original lore / demon acquisition quests were still in the game, but it was made very clear back in classic, when you still had to do full on quest lines to learn how to summon your voidwalker / succubus / etc that these rituals are not simply some kind of generic "I put in a request for an imp" kind of deals, where the first available imp just gets sucked into your summoning circle, but that you were making a literal pact with a SPECIFIC demon. The demon's name is a specific part of that ritual, and you have absolutely no power to change it's name.
    I did this in classic. I'd heard all about this deep lore and immersion and was super excited. The Voidwalker quest is just "go grab this crap, kill a voidwalker and I'll teach you the spell". That's it. Maybe the later ones are more involved, but the Voidwalker is super lame.
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  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    You seem to both misunderstand how demon contracts work, and also misunderstand how contracts in general work. They are not your slave, and they will not do anything you tell them to. You can order your demon to go back to argus and attack the legion all you want and it's not going to do it, because all the contract says is that it has to follow commands to defend you or attack things near you. You can't tell it to shut up, or not talk back, you can't decide its name is something different.
    Right. Got me. I completely ignored the universal Demon union and their demands for employment. Demons are a warlocks slave. They can enslave any demon if powerful enough. They will do anything the warlock tells them to. Go explode? Move there? Attack X group where you'll die? Yep. Warlocks were able to use Demons to attack the Legion. I don't think you actual know anything about lore if you think Demons would refuse to fight the Burning Legion.

    You don't know what the contract says or doesn't say. Or what is possible or not possible. You can decide its name while you are its master. Because there isn't some cosmic force that stops renaming objects. You can also put a collar on a demon that say "snuffles" and as far as anyone is concerned it is named snuffles. You are making stupid rules for why X can be renamed by Y can not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihazpaws View Post
    Beasts do not have name before someone names them. Our cat was just a cat before we gave her a name. Most demons have names before the character you play even has born. Forcing that demon change name would be stupid. It would be same as you go to work and your boss changes your name to smoldicbuttox. Also I prefer not seeing felguard named "dicbuttmcfart" running around whacking people with dildo looking weapon.
    Some beasts have names prior to a hunter giving them a name. Demons don't just go to work. But rich people have renamed servants in the past so perhaps brush up on history before saying that it is impossible. You won't see a demon named dicbuttmcfart for the same reason you don't see hunter pets named that. Its against Blizzards rules. Duh.
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  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Some beasts have names prior to a hunter giving them a name. Demons don't just go to work. But rich people have renamed servants in the past so perhaps brush up on history before saying that it is impossible. You won't see a demon named dicbuttmcfart for the same reason you don't see hunter pets named that. Its against Blizzards rules. Duh.
    I've never said it is impossible, I said it is stupid and my whole point is that they are demons, sentient talking beings. You clearly have not checked hunter pet names that often or you play in RP realm. There are crazy rasist, sexist and braindead names, in EU there are many different languages and people take advantage of that by writing the name in their own language and using somekind slang or similar things to avoid automatical refuse on the new name. It tells alot about the owner of that pet.

    It feels like people get dumber every day. Also flexing with weird slave trader cards is seriously stupid...
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Some beasts have names prior to a hunter giving them a name.
    Yes, but none of those beasts care what their names are, and they were all given their names by someone else, be it tribes people in their territory, other hunters, or whatever. Skoll doesn't give a shit that the locals decided to call it Skoll, because that name was given to it by someone else, and as a wild beast it likely has no clue that other people even call it Skoll to begin with.

    A demon's name however is different. It's part of the demons actual being. A literal part of it's essence. Again: You can call it whatever the heck you want in your head, but it still remains Xog-arth regardless.

    Also, ENSLAVED demons are not the same as your contracted summons. Enslaving a demon usually involves finding one already present and imposing your will up on it, and most of the time, that also came with the caveat that the enslaved demon could break it's bonds at any time and turn on you (not sure how it has changed over the course of time, but enslaving demons generally wasn't permanent that I remember). And sure, while I suppose it's entirely possible that you could argue a warlock could set up his contracted demons contract in such a way that it is forced to answer to "Fluffy" while in his presence, you would also have to explain why any self respecting demon would actually agree to sign such a contract to begin with.
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  5. #85
    Well not to ridiculous, they are not pets after all. Some lore about demons have it that knowing their real name gives you power over them, could be why you can’t change it.

  6. #86
    This could be explained in-game by just saying that we're calling for an imp named Sizzik and one happens to answer, rather than renaming one that already has another name.

    Those saying that the lore is a good reason not to be able to rename demons need to explain why we're able to choose what to summon using glyphs. Because that also makes no sense.

    If they're going to update demons, I'd also like them to give us an option to use an Incubus in place of a Succubus and to give the void walker the option for the updated void lord model seen as enemies in various BFA old god locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakerOfWills View Post
    You can't name them because using their name is part of controlling them. They aren't a pet, they're magically bound to serve till they die and return to the nether
    Can someone close this topic or something? I already admitted that I was wrong countless times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakerOfWills View Post
    You can't name them because using their name is part of controlling them. They aren't a pet, they're magically bound to serve till they die and return to the nether
    That's the case for MOST of them.... HOWEVER...

    The Void Walker, is technically not a demon. It's an Aberration. And since they are classified differently from demons, we have to believe they can die permanently any where. Why does it keep it's name then?
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    Gosh... Dang... Just rediculous.

  10. #90
    Imagine summoning a demon like Magtheridon and naming him fluffy...

  11. #91
    I'm cool with it tbh. We're not hunters. I don't need emotional attachment to demons. It's fine like this. If you get what you want i won't vent against it, but i dont share OP's feelings.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by City Pop View Post
    Is it normal to give pet names to contractors nowadays?
    I know i do.. i have a naming celebration each time one comes to my house.
    Though its slightly different.. maybe a quest line to rename the demons.
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  13. #93
    I saw a Lock with a Voidwalker that was named Thanos. I figured he had a friend that was a Blizzard coder or something.

  14. #94
    I will never deprive the great Thogthang of being able to display his name with pride! As he should! If anything I'm sad I don't get to use my blueberry more often!

    I actually like it, it differentiates warlocks from hunters a bit. Animals are dumb and can be given a name even if they don't want it. We can give our demons nicknames all we want, but their name is their name. And isn't there power in the demons name?

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    I saw a Lock with a Voidwalker that was named Thanos. I figured he had a friend that was a Blizzard coder or something.
    Or lucky as hell. It's like my blueberry with the hard TH at the beginning has the AN from the backend and an OS in contrast to my OG. Very possible.
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