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  1. #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Of course, but nobody spoke out for fear of being blackballed. It had nothing to do with remaining skeptical. It to do with the perpetrators themselves bullying their victims into silence.
    And part of that bullying of victims is the threat or assumption that nobody would believe them, because those perpetrators had the clout and reputations to influence public perception.

    The goal shouldn't be skepticism, anyway. It should be impartiality.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenyx View Post
    I can understand Blizzard's actions. Even a hint of this stuff gets toxic really quickly. We'll likely never know the truth. If you've actually looked at what was written about Swifty it's a hell of a lot, with a lot of details to 'totally' make up. If you look at what he's actually accused of the more shocking thing is that it seems out of sync with the personality he has on youtube and twitch. If i've learnt anything in the past few years its not to trust these 'personalities'. Perhaps like many things the truth is some sort of grey area in the middle? I know if it was my company associated with him I'd have done the same regardless of the truth.
    So...i've finally got to read through the accusations of Takarita

    https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9ip8

    IMO the worst part was the accusation that she was tricked into...having sex with another guy other than swifty because she was blindfolded.
    IMO this is the only thing "wrong" in the entire story.

    She was in a relationship with him and could have walked away at any time,

    This ofcorse if is all true...i dont see any problem with the swifty obsession with treesomes and whatnot
    Maybe...maybe swifty is a "sex...person"...i dont know what to call it...a person who is crazy about sex and having treesomes and whatnot

    But...if all of this is true...this woman could have walked away from the relationship at any given time...

    I didnt want to read any of this because i knew i would just end up being a sheep and sucked in into the drama...but whatever...i ended up reading it.
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  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    And part of that bullying of victims is the threat or assumption that nobody would believe them, because those perpetrators had the clout and reputations to influence public perception.

    The goal shouldn't be skepticism, anyway. It should be impartiality.
    And impartiality isn't immediately hanging the accused, which right now, it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Okay, let's go over a couple of things here.
    You could just say "I think this is great because I had my mind made up about Swifty the moment he was accused of anything at all, anyway."

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  5. #245
    If you read the twitter longer essay she posted, and read between the lines you can see her for what she is, a tag-a-long and a leech, a sour relationship turned to shit. Guess what, we all had relationships that you knew where toxic as fuck or ill fitted, you learn from them, and move on. Makes you grow as a person, i could dissect every past relationship i had, extrapolate on them and magnify or highlight certain situations, and then write a full page cryfest.. or you know.. i could try to be an actual adult, know mistakes where made on both parts, en admit i have experienced emotional growth due to it.

    But of course if one of my former ex gf's was a well known public individual i could try to cash in on it.

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post

    IMO the worst part was the accusation that she was tricked into...having oral sex with another guy other than swifty because she was blindfolded.
    IMO this is the only thing "wrong" in the entire story.
    Re-read it. That's not what happened.

    Swifty, Takarita, Swifty's friend had a threesome. She only agreed to have the threesome if Swifty's friend was the one going oral and Swifty was the one going vaginal.

    When the blindfold was removed. Swifty was the one doing the oral because he couldn't get hard. Swifty's friend was the one raping her vaginally. (It is rape because she didn't agree to it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    You could just say "I think this is great because I had my mind made up about Swifty the moment he was accused of anything at all, anyway."
    You could just say I'm anti-capitalist and anti-democracy and I hate America.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by apustus View Post
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    In this case, I'm just going to say it's shitposting.

    But it's probably not far off from what plenty of people unironically think today, which is an indictment of our species, tbh.
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  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Re-read it. That's not what happened.

    Swifty, Takarita, Swifty's friend had a threesome. She only agreed to have the threesome if Swifty's friend was the one going oral and Swifty was the one going vaginal.

    When the blindfold was removed. Swifty was the one doing the oral because he couldn't get hard. Swifty's friend was the one raping her vaginally. (It is rape because she didn't agree to it).
    Ahh crap...whatever...THAT is still the worst part, yes...
    Sorry for the misinformation...

    edit: i edited the post

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    You could just say I'm anti-capitalist and anti-democracy and I hate America.
    America has slander and libel laws, though. So I guess it's not as anti-capitalist and anti-democracy as you think it is. Hmh..

    Nice try with the pants-on-head gotcha, though.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    So...i've finally got to read through the accusations of Takarita

    https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9ip8

    IMO the worst part was the accusation that she was tricked into...having oral sex with another guy other than swifty because she was blindfolded.
    IMO this is the only thing "wrong" in the entire story.

    She was in a relationship with him and could have walked away at any time,

    This ofcorse if is all true...i dont see any problem with the swifty obsession with treesomes and whatnot
    Maybe...maybe swifty is a "sex...person"...i dont know what to call it...a person who is crazy about sex and having treesomes and whatnot

    But...if all of this is true...this woman could have walked away from the relationship at any given time...

    I didnt want to read any of this because i knew i would just end up being a sheep and sucked in into the drama...but whatever...i ended up reading it.
    Yea, I didn't read anything at all about him doing anything to this girl? I read a guy and girl in a relationship where the girl didn't like how the guy wanted to, supposedly, have threesomes and have sex with other girls with the help of the girl. Leave. It's not our fault, or Swifty's fault that she (may have) felt she had nowhere to go or no money to do it, which I assume was the case as she didn't leave?

    It's fucking disgusting how we live in such a coddle world where everything is knee-jerk reactions. I suppose other female streamers (Mia Rose) that do defend Swifty and contradict the accuser shouldn't be listened to?

    So, I'm just curious - in this case and all others - how does the person being accused defend themselves? I suppose you could sue for defamation, but that's about as silly as jaded lovers making accusations where there is a bit of a truth to a story, with plenty of fabrications.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    America has slander and libel laws, though. So I guess it's not as anti-capitalist and anti-democracy as you think it is. Hmh..

    Nice try with the pants-on-head gotcha, though.
    I even address that in my post. If Swifty is truly innocent, he can file a lawsuit and get his name cleared. I doubt Swifty wants this to go into the discovery phase though because it's been implied on Social Media that there are other women as well willing to step forward.

    Why doesn't Swifty use the law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Ahh crap...whatever...THAT is still the worst part, yes...
    Sorry for the misinformation...

    edit: i edited the post
    No worries, the first time I read it, I read it the same way you did as well. It is the worst part but being tricked into sex with someone you don't want to have sex with is, imo, worse than being tricked into giving a blowjob you don't want to give a blowjob to. They might be the same based on the law and where it occurred though. I think it's the fact that one of those acts carries more risks than the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    Yea, I didn't read anything at all about him doing anything to this girl? I read a guy and girl in a relationship where the girl didn't like how the guy wanted to, supposedly, have threesomes and have sex with other girls with the help of the girl. Leave. It's not our fault, or Swifty's fault that she (may have) felt she had nowhere to go or no money to do it, which I assume was the case as she didn't leave?
    And I'm guessing you completely skipped over the second accusation because it doesn't fit your narrative. (It's technically the first accusation since it came out before Takarita and is the reason Takarita wrote hers)

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    Yea, I didn't read anything at all about him doing anything to this girl? I read a guy and girl in a relationship where the girl didn't like how the guy wanted to, supposedly, have threesomes and have sex with other girls with the help of the girl. Leave. It's not our fault, or Swifty's fault that she (may have) felt she had nowhere to go or no money to do it, which I assume was the case as she didn't leave?

    It's fucking disgusting how we live in such a coddle world where everything is knee-jerk reactions. I suppose other female streamers (Mia Rose) that do defend Swifty and contradict the accuser shouldn't be listened to?

    So, I'm just curious - in this case and all others - how does the person being accused defend themselves? I suppose you could sue for defamation, but that's about as silly as jaded lovers making accusations where there is a bit of a truth to a story, with plenty of fabrications.
    You don't. If this happens to you, you are pretty much done. Even if you sue for defamation and win (which is pretty much impossible, because you have to prove malicious intent - see, how you have to prove something here, but don't have to prove anything when making the allegations btw, fun stuff, isn't it) for it to have any real merit. And even then, noone is going to want to have anything with you.

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    I even address that in my post. If Swifty is truly innocent, he can file a lawsuit and get his name cleared. I doubt Swifty wants this to go into the discovery phase though because it's been implied on Social Media that there are other women as well willing to step forward.

    Why doesn't Swifty use the law?
    He will use the law. In the meantime, you have people and companies jumping to assume that he's guilty. If the accusation is proven to be fake, that makes anyone jumping on him now to actually demonize him complicit.

    There are already reasons you can't just up and drop or fire somebody on the spot, so the concept is clearly not that anti-capitalist. Maybe keep the pinko bullshit to your politics threads.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    I even address that in my post. If Swifty is truly innocent, he can file a lawsuit and get his name cleared. I doubt Swifty wants this to go into the discovery phase though because it's been implied on Social Media that there are other women as well willing to step forward.

    Why doesn't Swifty use the law?
    Personally, I would be hesitant as well because a.) you don't know who will step out of the woodwork strictly because they feel slighted and b.) your name, life, and family will get dragged through the mud by the same mentality of people who instantly agree with the accuser, remove NPC's because of an accusation, etc.

    It's not worth it at such an early stage. Now, if he starts losing income, and even more sponsors - I could certainly see that changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    And I'm guessing you completely skipped over the second accusation because it doesn't fit your narrative. (It's technically the first accusation since it came out before Takarita and is the reason Takarita wrote hers)
    I admit, I only seen the Takarita accusation. Link?

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by apustus View Post
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    It bothers me that people say things like that in all seriousness.
    It bothers me that many otherwise reasonable people will commend that sentiment, be it from agreement, fear or opportunism.
    It bothers me that people view others as a collective mass, allowing them to dish out collective punishment, as well as claim collective victim status.
    It bothers me that people who say these kinds of things, and/or support these kinds of things often preach about getting rid of hate, I no longer know what that word means, I don't think it is unreasonable to view a statement and sentiment such as this as hateful, or at least bordering on it without further clarification, but it will never be recognised as such by the people against hate (even if you disagree that it is/could be hateful, I don't think many reasonable people would find the argument that it is/could be an unreasonable one).
    It bothers me that there is a Kafka trap surrounding statements like this, if you show disagreement with them then it is evidence that you are guilty of being a misogynistic rape apologist, the more you protest, point out the flaw in the logic, the more evidence you create to damn yourself.
    It bothers me that so many are blind (or willingly ignorant, be it through stupidity, fear or opportunism) to the flaw in this kind of reasoning and thinking, this has nothing to do with believing specific allegations, it is about using collective and historic oppression to justify collective and present day punishment/injustice, of a kind I think is fair to say is retributive in nature (though not always).
    And in the interest of balance, it bothers me that some people get a little bit of power/fame in a domain and they think it makes them gods, makes them entitled to other people, it bothers me when they decide to flex this muscle, it sickens me when they do it to satisfy base wants. I won't deny that there is a problem with people like that, there always has been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FurryFoxWolf View Post
    crazy people gonna have there dog put down for rape after they hump there leg
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    feminists they always look like a hippo thats rolled in dogshit and then hit with a nuclear weapon and lived

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    He will use the law. In the meantime, you have people and companies jumping to assume that he's guilty. If the accusation is proven to be fake, that makes anyone jumping on him now to actually demonize him complicit.

    There are already reasons you can't just up and drop or fire somebody on the spot, so the concept is clearly not that anti-capitalist. Maybe keep the pinko bullshit to your politics threads.
    It's just easier to score political points with the sheep when you blend in with the sheep. Going against the grain isn't smart in these types of cases.

    Remember the first and second night when the guy in ATL was shot? MSM, protestors, and attorneys were all 'why would they be even trying to arrest him without doing a BAT', 'why did they escalate the situation?', etc. Body cam footage comes out, shows they did do a BAT - at which point he was over the limit and being arrested, and *HE* escalated the whole encounter by pulling away, resisting, fighting with them, *AND* pulling a weapon from them.

  17. #257
    Btw, seeing how women sic their kids against their fathers after a divorce, manufacturing child abuse allegations with all the consequences that has for the fater only for it to be debunked as a ploy to get revenge, having so many people come forward now after the method drama makes one wonder how much of it is true and how much is just jealous chicks trying to sink their ex out of revenge.

  18. #258
    Thanks for the asmongold warning. Don't want his ratty face anywhere near my feed.

  19. #259
    To all those for guilty untill proven innocent and for cancel culture, that means you @fwc577 among others. We are screeming for due process because we fucking understand murphy's fucking law. If a system can be exploited someone will exploit it. Is swifty guilty debatable, is activisionblizzard in their right to cancel him problely. However the presedent of just throwing someone under the bus with no due process just because someone went to social media needs to stop. You have griefence with someone deal with them on it or take them to court. Don't just shout into the eather for vigalanty justice

    Because how long will it take for cancel culture turns into Delete culture. Give them a fingernail and they'll take the whole arm. And don't say it doesn't happen google how reddit "found" the boston bomber back in the day, only to turn out it wasn't the right guy. If it can happen it will happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    And impartiality isn't immediately hanging the accused, which right now, it is.
    Let's not pretend that removing an NPC from a video game is anything remotely close to an execution.

    It's Blizzard's right to remove the NPC pending investigation to protect their own public image.

    The presumption of innocence doesn't mean you can't take the accused into custody or put them under arrest. And this is far more minor than that.

    If he's innocent, investigation will vindicate him, and I'm sure he has plenty of fans who will stick with him either way. There are plenty of skeptics in this thread and I'm sure plenty more amongst his fanbase. Other youtubers have been accused of far worse.

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