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    Britain Sanctions Russians over Magnitsky Murder

    It's great to see the Magnitsky Act effectively be carried out by our ally the UK. Good to see that leaders there think there should be serious penalties for extralegal assassination. Too bad Moscow Mitch and Donald don't feel a similar need to take action.

    LONDON — Britain's first sanctions will target 25 Russian nationals it says were involved in the mistreatement and death of lawyer Sergei Magnitsky and 20 Saudi nationals held to be involved in the death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, the foreign ministry said on Monday.

    Addressing parliament, foreign minister Dominic Raab said: "The first designations will cover those individuals involved in the torture and murder of Sergei Magnitsky, the lawyer who disclosed the biggest known tax fraud in Russian history.

    "The designations will also include those responsible for the brutal murder of the writer and journalist Jamal Khashoggi."






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    You mean perpetuating the same Browder hoax that was debunked multiple times already, last time within a year by Der Spiegel? :/
    (with Browder's complaint being rejected by German media watchdog due to article being fact-based)

    Magnistky case that has been reviewed by European Court of Human Rights and found Browder's version of events not aligning with facts?
    "The authorities had had reasonable grounds to suspect Mr. Magnitsky of being involved in tax evasion," the court said, noting that the "inquiry into alleged tax evasion which had led to Mr. Magnitsky's arrest had begun long before he had complained of fraud by officials." - not as result of alleged anti-Browder plot.

    I guess you cannot expect anything else from clowns that are modern British government.

    Hey, if they are going after brutal killing, given all those Floyd protests going in USA, how about sanctioning Minneapolis Police department over that murder too?

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    Oh, would you look at that, the russki was the first to respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Oh, would you look at that, the russki was the first to respond.
    I love how he's got an answer, and links ready in 9 minutes. Guess it's copy/paste from the "Deflect Magnitsky" playbook. Not sure why he expects anyone to take him serious at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    I love how he's got an answer, and links ready in 9 minutes. Guess it's copy/paste from the "Deflect Magnitsky" playbook. Not sure why he expects anyone to take him serious at this point.
    Really doesn't help that his attempted derail is to point to some cops who are facing trial for the murder. Unlike Magnitsky's murderers.
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    boris has been super woke
    hes been pro-nato
    he wants to give hong kongers citizenship
    hes condemned neo nazis
    and now hes punishing russia ( unlike our president)

    i dont know i dont think hes like trump in any way(except for wacky haircuts), i think #1 hes not beholden to putin so thats pretty amazing good for you britain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    hoax
    *ahem*

    Food poisoning.

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    It's a shame the Russian government is led by murderous tyrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    boris has been super woke
    hes been pro-nato
    he wants to give hong kongers citizenship
    hes condemned neo nazis
    and now hes punishing russia ( unlike our president)

    i dont know i dont think hes like trump in any way(except for wacky haircuts), i think #1 hes not beholden to putin so thats pretty amazing good for you britain
    He’s a conservative.... just in the European sense. He is still plenty racist with a plenty checkered past. He has always played the fool to come off less threatening and to deflect. Trump is simply a racist fool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    It's a shame the Russian government is led by murderous tyrants.
    Among the worst Oligarchs. It's a real tell when cosplay socialists start praising them.


    I'm hoping a possible Biden administration follows up with sanctions as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Really doesn't help that his attempted derail is to point to some cops who are facing trial for the murder. Unlike Magnitsky's murderers.
    Guess what, they faced trial too - in ECHR. But even there they weren't found guilty of murder. The facts simply do not support such accusation - Browder's hand is too weak.

    Also, do you expect Floyd killers to actually get jailed as result? Would you support sanctions against that police department if they will not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    *ahem*

    Food poisoning.
    Der Spiegel's article is pretty clear in that Browder is lying tax-fraudster scumbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Among the worst Oligarchs. It's a real tell when cosplay socialists start praising them.


    I'm hoping a possible Biden administration follows up with sanctions as well.
    I see dems are becoming a bit more hawkish, which is good, i seen a gary peters ad in michigan, gary peters being a democratic candidate
    using the same language as trump
    obviously its all talk, but it shows dem strategist know what sells in swing states, so biden and mainstream dems wont be soft
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVGa...ature=youtu.be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Guess what, they faced trial too - in ECHR. But even there they weren't found guilty of murder. The facts simply do not support such accusation - Browder's hand is too weak.

    Also, do you expect Floyd killers to actually get jailed as result? Would you support sanctions against that police department if they will not?

    Der Spiegel's article is pretty clear in that Browder is lying tax-fraudster scumbag.
    The bold is your admission of guilt... defund Putin... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    *ahem*

    Food poisoning.
    Trump University has made it clear, the cure to a hoax is disinfectant in your veins and a flashlight up your ass. Putin’s version has results similar to the first part, but more direct and to the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Guess what, they faced trial too - in ECHR. But even there they weren't found guilty of murder.
    The man died in jail for reporting corruption. When the state in charge of providing evidence manipulates the evidence to protect its interests, it makes a joke of the process. Why was the case even before the ECHR, instead of prosecuted in russia, by russians? Did browder kill him? Being this disingenuous makes everything you say look compromised.

    And yes, I expect them to end up in prison. Let me know when you're done trying to derail the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    The man died in jail for reporting corruption.
    The man died in jail because because he was held there after being involved in financial fraud on behalf of Browder. He never was actually reporting on corruption - that much is well-established. It was even part of EHCR case.

    When the state in charge of providing evidence manipulates the evidence to protect its interests, it makes a joke of the process. Why was the case even before the ECHR, instead of prosecuted in russia, by russians? Did browder kill him? Being this disingenuous makes everything you say look compromised.
    He died because of police negligence; just like Floyd.

    He wasn't murdered.

    And yes, I expect them to end up in prison. Let me know when you're done trying to derail the thread.
    Would you support sanctions on them by UK if they will not?
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    Putin must be panicking, I can picture him frantically searching every nook and cranny in order to find some fucks to give.

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    boris has been super woke
    Weird. I remember him almost dying of irony. Literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    He died because of police negligence; just like Floyd.
    Which makes these sanctions... defund Putin... your analogy is shit.
    Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Which makes these sanctions... defund Putin... your analogy is shit.
    Those sanctions aren't going against Putin if you didn't notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    The man died in jail because because he was held there after being involved in financial fraud on behalf of Browder. He never was actually reporting on corruption - that much is well-established. It was even part of EHCR case.
    Once again, if the people in charge of providing the evidence are the very ones who are corrupt, the case isn't grounded in reality.


    He died because of police negligence; just like Floyd.

    He wasn't murdered.

    Would you support sanctions on them by UK if they will not?
    Floyd was murdered. It's weird you pretend he wasn't, just to claim your thoroughly corrupt system didn't murder someone. I don't know why you think I'd give a shit about uk sanctions when I think they should be spending years in jail. Seems like they'd be getting off light if all they got was sanctioned by the uk.

    It's amazing the type of corruption you're not only okay with, but actively work to promote. This is what you are, a shill for corruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    boris has been super woke
    hes been pro-nato
    he wants to give hong kongers citizenship
    hes condemned neo nazis
    and now hes punishing russia ( unlike our president)

    i dont know i dont think hes like trump in any way(except for wacky haircuts), i think #1 hes not beholden to putin so thats pretty amazing good for you britain
    i said that multiple times during the election, i didn't vote for him i voted lib Dem as i am a remainer, but i did get really sick and tired of mostly labour voters trying to paint Boris as the UK trump, because firstly i thought trying to do so would do more harm to labour than the cons, but also secondly it just didn't hold water when you looked at bojo's voting record and initiatives hes supported.

    i think the sentiment came out of Brexit and the drive from sections of politics to make Brexit a left v right battle, and being pro brext made you defacto hard/far right, unfortunately that never made any sense as solid chunks of both wings are pro and anti Brexit, notably the British communist party was and is pro Brexit, it would also make him an extremely strange far right politician to break the whip many times to vote for more gay rights. nah bojo is mostly a centrist with soft right economic leanings, id have much much preferred a Lib Dem in charge (not that it would ever happen), but compared to trump bojo is mother Teresa, i certainly don't see trumps government ever paying 80% of millions of Americans wages so they wouldn't be made redundant during the covid crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    The man died in jail because because he was held there after being involved in financial fraud on behalf of Browder. He never was actually reporting on corruption - that much is well-established. It was even part of EHCR case.

    He died because of police negligence; just like Floyd.

    He wasn't murdered.

    Would you support sanctions on them by UK if they will not?
    i would fully support UK and EU sanctions on the USA, for a whole raft of current and historical transgressions and human rights violations.

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