Where did we get to the point where Biden vs. Trump are the best candidates?

[PosPosPos]

By that standard you and most posters here are senile.

The difference is, we are all not running for president of a nation like Biden is, one of the most influential and powerful positions humanity has to offer.

If I ran for president for instance, I expect people to carefully vet my mental health, behavior and tendencies in daily life at the very least

[Yuujin]

And then you watch a video of Trump actually saying these "bad things" and realise either Clinton/Obama have said exactly the same things before, but the media haven't said anything about them, or the sentence was cherry picked and taken totally out of context.

For example - Every president in modern USA history has financially backed funding the wall.

Including Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama.

With many previous presidents actually building sections of wall too.

Or how about Barack Obama placing similar travel restrictions into the USA for immigrants that what Trump did.

Trump got plenty of media attention for that.

Obama no.

Can't support the hypocrisy of the left at all.

Trump is going to win again because the media lies fuel a populist vote and many people see right through the lies.

Someone just got back from a Covid family BBQ.

[shimerra]

The difference is, we are all not running for president like Biden is, one of the most influential and powerful positions humanity has to offer.

The difference is some of us prefer to not act like trump and his supporters by making up lies about the candidate we don't care for because we're butthurt our guy lost.

Don't worry I'll give you a pass due to your senility and not running for president. If you ran for president I'd expect people to do exactly what you're doing. Because people are ignorant and forcing reality to match your perception is easier than adjusting to reality.

[beanman12345]

Watching Trump speak is like watching a two year old who is mad you took his toy have a stroke and a tantrum at the same time. And then the two year old starts to lie accusing you of things he did. Watching him speak risks giving any intelligent adult a brain aneurysm.

Also what populist wave? Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million. One of if not the largest popular vote lost by anyone to become president. He only won because of political socialism which I was told Republicans don't like.

Trump is going to win again because his average supporter is even less intelligent than you and the conservatives get a nice political handicap via the EC.

I see only 2 type of trump supporters. Those who view Trump as their intellectual superior and those who make their living grifting on the former.

[PosPosPos]

The difference is some of us prefer to not act like trump and his supporters and make up lies about the candidate we don't care for because we're butthurt our guy lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMGI18VaVOQ

https://twitter.com/i/status/1220053331189682177

https://twitter.com/i/status/1237464286022316033

I guess the "lie" you are accusing me of making is that these videos are shopped in some manner.

And this isn't even an exhaustive list of him losing his cool in public over ridiculously petty reasons, or outright forgetting big incidents.

[Yuujin]

You are right, stuttering isn't indicative of senility.

Emotional instability and the inability to properly recall past incidents of significant relevance are, however, pretty damning markers of senility.

Are you one of those, I know the same can be said about Trump, I'm not saying I'm pro Trump I'm just anti-Biden people?

[Macd123aw]

Someone just got back from a Covid family BBQ.

Hope you had a nice time.

Remember to say hi to your Mum for me.

[pathora44]

And then you watch a video of Trump actually saying these "bad things" and realise either Clinton/Obama have said exactly the same things before, but the media haven't said anything about them, or the sentence was cherry picked and taken totally out of context.

For example - Every president in modern USA history has financially backed funding the wall.

Including Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama.

With many previous presidents actually building sections of wall too.

Or how about Barack Obama placing similar travel restrictions into the USA for immigrants that what Trump did.

Trump got plenty of media attention for that.

Obama no.

Can't support the hypocrisy of the left at all.

Trump is going to win again because the media lies fuel a populist vote and many people see right through the lies.

YA no Trump won in 2016 by the literal skin of his teeth that anything more the cursory glance at the election results would tell you. Trump won because in 3 key states Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania he won by a around a collective 500,000 people gaining him 48 electoral votes. That means if those 500,000 people voted against Trump then he would have lost. In fact he won Pennsylvania by less then 45,000 people and Wisconsin by around 22,000 people. That is 30 electoral votes gained by less then 70,000 voters. Trump gained these votes mainly because he was an outsider with no history of policy and guess what? Trump now has over 3 1/2 years of policy and it has been a fucking dumpster fire. Rising far right hate groups and violence, destroying over 70 years of soft power we used to have as head of the 1st world country table, demolishing long standing alliances and rubbing elbows with dictators and authoritarians, ever growing divide between the rich and the poor, using a nuke to absolute vaporize any form of decorum or balance of power between the three heads of our government, and finally his complete fumbling of the Corona Virus that has the made the U.S. far and away the leader in cases and deaths which are growing even faster while the majority of the world is recovering. Trump no longer has the defense of having no history of policy because now his history is a disaster. People will be out in force to vote and we will most likely see the largest turnout of voters in U.S. history this coming November and they won't be voting Trump.

[PosPosPos]

Are you one of those, I know the same can be said about Trump, I'm not saying I'm pro Trump I'm just anti-Biden people?

My stance is pretty clear on this issue:

The problem with the US presidential system is that it's basically down to "bad or worse"; that the system itself is primed to allow politicians to force-feed voters with two obviously compromised candidates, and essentially force them to vote for the least bad option.

[Macd123aw]

Watching Trump speak is like watching a two year old who is mad you took his toy have a stroke and a tantrum at the same time. And then the two year old starts to lie accusing you of things he did. Watching him speak risks giving any intelligent adult a brain aneurysm.

Also what populist wave? Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million. One of if not the largest popular vote lost by anyone to become president. He only won because of political socialism which I was told Republicans don't like.

Trump is going to win again because his average supporter is even less intelligent than you and the conservatives get a nice political handicap via the EC.

So what you're saying is Trump is smarter than the Democrats at appealing to low IQ people.

And that Trump is also low IQ.

Which logically means you are saying the Democrats are dumbest of them all.

Gotcha.

/thumbup

[Healing Rain]

There will be other candidates. Also you could always write in a name.

Personally I'm going to be voting for President Trump.

[beanman12345]

So what you're saying is Trump is smarter than the Democrats at appealing to low IQ people.

And that Trump is also low IQ.

Which logically means you are saying the Democrats are dumbest of them all.

Gotcha.

/thumbup

This is terrible logic and you just proved his point.

Gotcha.

/thumbup

[Zan15]

Could never vote left wing all the time they control most of the media and blatantly lie.

For every time Trump has made a questionable statement the media have made 10 more lies about him.

Biden is a disaster though. You have got to be nuts to vote for him.

Trump is mostly a victim of left wing bias media than he is bad president.

but but wait, trump and fox both say they have the highest rating.. more than the next two combined....

so how can the lubrals control the media at the same time the most popular media outlet is right wing?


Name 1 lie about trump and I will name 10 lies trump has said just this year.

Of course I bet 200 dollars the "lies" you come up with won't even be actual lies...

[Macd123aw]

YA no Trump won in 2016 by the literal skin of his teeth that anything more the cursory glance at the election results would tell you. Trump won because in 3 key states Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania he won by a around a collective 500,000 people gaining him 48 electoral votes. That means if those 500,000 people voted against Trump then he would have lost. In fact he won Pennsylvania by less then 45,000 people and Wisconsin by around 22,000 people. That is 30 electoral votes gained by less then 70,000 voters. Trump gained these votes mainly because he was an outsider with no history of policy and guess what? Trump now has over 3 1/2 years of policy and it has been a fucking dumpster fire. Rising far right hate groups and violence, destroying over 70 years of soft power we used to have as head of the 1st world country table, demolishing long standing alliances and rubbing elbows with dictators and authoritarians, ever growing divide between the rich and the poor, using a nuke to absolute vaporize any form of decorum or balance of power between the three heads of our government, and finally his complete fumbling of the Corona Virus that has the made the U.S. far and away the leader in cases and deaths which are growing even faster while the majority of the world is recovering. Trump no longer has the defense of having no history of policy because now his history is a disaster. People will be out in force to vote and we will most likely see the largest turnout of voters in U.S. history this coming November and they won't be voting Trump.

You got to remember that Trump didn't win because people specifically supported him or the Republicans.

Trump won because people became anti-democrats.

That is the meaning of last elections' populist vote.

You also have to realise that the left have gone FURTHER into the reasons why people became anti-left.

When they lose arguements, they de-platform other people's opinions, and accuse them of <insert random -ism here>.

People are fed up of it.

Any momentum you think the left have is isolated to a loud vocal minority.

Never forget that the left here in Britain lost by the largest margin ever in their entire history. Yet people thought they had momentum for the same reasons you might think the left have momentum in the USA.

You are in for a rude shock when Biden loses by a massive margin.


Ps - populism isn't the same thing as popular. Google is your friend here.

[Breccia]

I like Biden, but he has stuttering issues.

So let's sum this up:

On one hand, we have an unqualified, incompetent, intentionally ill-informed man whose inactions led to the loss of millions of jobs, multiple GDP percents, and tens of thousands of American lives, a record low in American optimism, a record low in world view of the US, record deficit, record debt, record bankruptcies, the largest tax increase in American history, got caught extorting a foreign country and got impeached for it, while he and an increasing number of people in his employ face an increasing number of lawsuits and criminal charges -- all while communicating in 140 characters, slurring, forgetting people's names, cherry picking, outright lying, and stumbling over words like "origins" and "covfefe"

Versus.

A two-time VP and long-term Senator "but he has stuttering issues"

How did it get to this point? Because y'all elected a moron.

[Yuujin]

So what you're saying is Trump is smarter than the Democrats at appealing to low IQ people.

And that Trump is also low IQ.

Which logically means you are saying the Democrats are dumbest of them all.

Gotcha.

/thumbup

Some high IQ logic right here.

[Macd123aw]

Some high IQ logic right here.

I think the same whenever someone says Trump is dumb.

He might be dumb, but fact is he was smarter than any Democrat last election.

So by saying Trump is dumb, you are saying Hilary is dumber.

And since you clearly don't think that, it makes you look dumb.

/shrug

[beanman12345]

I think the same whenever someone says Trump is dumb.

He might be dumb, but fact is he was smarter than any Democrat last election.

So by saying Trump is dumb, you are saying Hilary is dumber.

And since you clearly don't think that, it makes you look dumb.

/shrug

no, you are claiming things that aren't facts as if they are facts, than claiming people are saying things they are not. Try not to be so obvious.

[draynay]

You guys are arguing with a Soros-conspiracy theorist loon, save your time and energy.

[Yuujin]

I think the same whenever someone says Trump is dumb.

He might be dumb, but fact is he was smarter than any Democrat last election.

So by saying Trump is dumb, you are saying Hilary is dumber.

And since you clearly don't think that, it makes you look dumb.

/shrug

no, you are claiming things that aren't facts as if they are facts, than claiming people are saying things they are not. Try not to be so obvious.

This right here.

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You guys are arguing with a Soros-conspiracy theorist loon, save your time and energy.

In that case, guess we will see who has the last laugh when all those Soros upgraded voting machines go in, and Soros manufactured mail in vote counters are installed before the November election.