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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon5123 View Post
    >almost a year later
    >retail players are still seething over Classic and making shitposts like this thread
    feels good man
    LOL, did you even read the OP...? It is more the case of 1 year later and Classic fans still can't stop bitching about Retail.
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    Number of retail servers listed at High/Full in EU alone; 79.
    That's up by 13 since I last counted them in 8.2, and more than Classic has in total server count. Retail servers have higher pop capacity. Just a note to combat "ClAsSiC hAs AlL TeH PlAyErS"-derps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gosuabbbff View Post
    what did you really expect after badmouthing retail and its playerbase for so long?
    you mean like how retail fanbase kept proclaiming Classic is "just nostalgia" and would be "dead in 2 weeks"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    LOL, did you even read the OP...? It is more the case of 1 year later and Classic fans still can't stop bitching about Retail.
    "NO U!"

    classic retail response
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    LFR is not really easy. I would say it's a lot harder thant Mythic Dungeons
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon5123 View Post
    you mean like how retail fanbase kept proclaiming Classic is "just nostalgia" and would be "dead in 2 weeks"

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    "NO U!"

    classic retail response
    Doesn't respond well to facts.

    Typical Classic fanflagging right there.
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    Number of retail servers listed at High/Full in EU alone; 79.
    That's up by 13 since I last counted them in 8.2, and more than Classic has in total server count. Retail servers have higher pop capacity. Just a note to combat "ClAsSiC hAs AlL TeH PlAyErS"-derps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anon5123 View Post
    you mean like how retail fanbase kept proclaiming Classic is "just nostalgia" and would be "dead in 2 weeks"

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    "NO U!"

    classic retail response
    Are you a complete moron? You literally didnt even read the OP and instead of just admiting that what you typed had nothing to do with the thread you cherry pick specific replies to respond to so you dont sound like a complete idiot.
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    Classics difficulty have always come from all the preparations you make before doing the raid. Once you gathered all 39 people, world buffs, flasks etc it was just doing a few tactics and the boss would be down. The game was also completely different back in 2004, mainly because of people got shittier computers and WoW wasn't optimised well enough for some time, there was no Youtube or anywhere you could find guides (and if you found one it was usually scuffed and incorrect), there was less addons which was also not mainstream for most people because the game was in a rather early state, and ofcourse the game was new and for many their first MMORPG. The people who went hardcore in vanilla WoW were mostly old school Everquest players who already had an idea of how to play the game.

    Now look at Classic today, nothing in the above applies anymore. People have known the game for a while and there are plenty of guides to find which goes deep enough to pay attention to every little detail. Addons were quickly made, the game runs smooth (haven't lagged once while I played), WoW was well optimised and classes felt reactive unlike when I played on a potato PC during vanilla WoW. So you end up with Classic raids being a joke.

    I know me and many others shit on retail for a lot of reasons, but one thing it has always done right were the raids. It evolved with the players and there's a certain expectation for the hardcore raiders to have a boss that seems almost impossible to kill, but just requires a lot of effort and dedication. If it were up to me I would've just buffed every Classic boss by 25% simply because the game is played differently now than it has in 2004, which is inevitable due to players and PC's getting better. Classic raids could not have all these mechanics that retail raids had simply because it would fry everyones PC.

    I'm not sure how many people claim that Classic raids would be hard but I certainly wasn't one of them. I still love Classic because it plays like an old school MMORPG which I love, and I really missed the old world that has been gone from retail for so long. WoW was always more about the world than just the raids imo, and I like how active the community feels which is also something that is lacking in retail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gosuabbbff View Post

    you seem to have a memory lapse or you didn't play the game. at one point in vanilla you could use decursive to dispel anyone with a press of a button. you didn't need any macros or target anyone, the addon automatically dispelled anyone in your raid if you just spammed the hotkey. blizzard fixed that later (i think it was in mid naxx)
    Which isn't what you said. Fucking hell, people, we can't read your minds so when you write something half-assed don't whine at us when we miss the point you didn't bother to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    Which isn't what you said. Fucking hell, people, we can't read your minds so when you write something half-assed don't whine at us when we miss the point you didn't bother to make.
    First, I didn't say that. Second, it was pretty obvious the person you replied to must have meant what I said. Everyone who played vanilla knew that Decursive was functional even after having being hotfixed, it just worked differently.

    I mean Decursive still exists today in retail and classic, come on man put some effort.
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    Ony has been killed with a full naked raid.
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    The irony when world quests are harder than classic raids

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Torched View Post


    Ony has been killed with a full naked raid.
    If I could go back over the past 10 or so years and see all the "Classic raiding was the HARDEST content ever in WoW! Naxx 40 was basically impossible" comments, I so would, just to laugh in their face.

    Classic raiding is an absolute joke. I fully expect "Impossible" C'Thun to be downed by 39 people naked, only shooting wands with a Hunter pet tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fathr View Post
    Again read it and weep! https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...elease_to_112/ For those of us who were there from the very launch in vanilla remember that there wasnt even enough quests for you to level up with so....
    So I was right. There's literally nothing in there about Naxx or AQ. So Naxx and AQ will be the original tuning.

    Tbh I think this destroys any argument on the matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8wT1IjJITI

    Onyxia with no gear and rank 1 Frost Bolt. But Vanilla was so hard!

    Also, imagine using quests to level instead of dungeon cleaves.

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    Also, anyone got that clip of Kungen malding so hard watching the naked Onyxia clip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torched View Post


    Ony has been killed with a full naked raid.
    HAHA, i hadnt seen that, thats priceless! "just getting 40 people geared enough to even ENTER the raid was a HUGE ordeal!"
    Classic players: "hold my clothes"

    "You just wait for BWL, it will break guilds, no one EVER said MC/Ony was hard!"
    "You just wait for Naxx - mythic raiders wont stand a chance! - no one EVER said BWL was hard!"
    "You just wait for TBC - Its harder than quantum physics! - no one EVER said Vanilla was hard!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrcsRLame View Post
    So I was right. There's literally nothing in there about Naxx or AQ. So Naxx and AQ will be the original tuning.

    Tbh I think this destroys any argument on the matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8wT1IjJITI

    Onyxia with no gear and rank 1 Frost Bolt. But Vanilla was so hard!

    Also, imagine using quests to level instead of dungeon cleaves.
    Im afraid not, have you seen the absurd amount of buffs ? A caster had 5,5k hp and beign naked!! In Nihilum thier casters were at 2,2k hp at their first onyxia kill incl. wearing some epics at the time.... It just goes to show that the classic experience is so way off that it could possibly be in comparisson to Vanilla. We are compareing apples and bananas here - both fruits but totally different.

    We who actually played vanilla, knows truly well how it was with 700ms latency at times, running on olds mobile hardware in comparisson to todays quad core plus cpus and broadband connections. We proclaim that the experience was and is unique and sadly Blizzard will never ever be able to recreate it. It was never about mechanics back then, they were and are easy. But having noobs not spamming their keys to optimize dps while due to latency not moving fast enough on dangers provided fun times indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fathr View Post
    Im afraid not, have you seen the absurd amount of buffs ? A caster had 5,5k hp and beign naked!! In Nihilum thier casters were at 2,2k hp at their first onyxia kill incl. wearing some epics at the time.... It just goes to show that the classic experience is so way off that it could possibly be in comparisson to Vanilla. We are compareing apples and bananas here - both fruits but totally different.

    We who actually played vanilla, knows truly well how it was with 700ms latency at times, running on olds mobile hardware in comparisson to todays quad core plus cpus and broadband connections. We proclaim that the experience was and is unique and sadly Blizzard will never ever be able to recreate it. It was never about mechanics back then, they were and are easy. But having noobs not spamming their keys to optimize dps while due to latency not moving fast enough on dangers provided fun times indeed.
    So your defense you're trying to go with is that a private server is more accurate than an official classic server?

  16. #216
    Classic was hard for different reasons. It was fun for different reasons. People are fighting because they think their version is harder. Please don't.

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    Somehwere out there Kungen is still trying to argue how Classic was the toughest raiding has ever been and how to this day still no one has ever been as good at raiding as Nihilum in Classic.

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbleedinggums View Post
    And yet Classic is neither. I'd wager a long boi that anyone claiming that Classic is in any form more difficult or challenging than Retail when it comes to clearing raids hasn't done more than LFR if they've even played in the last 5 years.
    Classic? You're right.

    Vanilla is another story - the talents, knowledge, hardware (servers and PCs), all contributed in making Vanilla hard. Most people who argued Vanilla was harder than retail were referring to how it was at the time - Classic isn't even an attempt to recreate that though, as the game got a LOT easier as the patches dropped, and they didn't even start us off on the earlier ones.

    Note: I don't think Vanilla raiding was harder than modern mythic raiding, but I don't think it was necessarily easier either, but the challenge was VERY different. Less about mechanical skill though for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fathr View Post
    Im afraid not, have you seen the absurd amount of buffs ? A caster had 5,5k hp and beign naked!! In Nihilum thier casters were at 2,2k hp at their first onyxia kill incl. wearing some epics at the time.... It just goes to show that the classic experience is so way off that it could possibly be in comparisson to Vanilla. We are compareing apples and bananas here - both fruits but totally different.
    The buffs used were all available back in original vanilla. People were just too bad to see the value in them.

    There is no video of Nihilum's first Ony kill as far as I can find. If you have it, link it. There is a video of the world first however. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

    Their dps range from about 3.4 to 5.5k HP. A perfectly normal amount for early gear levels in classic with no consumables or flasks. Same for world first Rag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br1hXGXJ7Tg

    That is not the content being hard, that is the players being bad. Which makes sense! Everyone is bad the first time they play an MMO.

    You're spouting revisionist history in the face of video evidence though.

    First you tried to say that classic is easy because of the gear and the patch. Then you posted literal fucking lies saying that Naxx and AQ got nerfed with 1.12, as if you had just found the silver bullet to thwart me with, and your link contained NOTHING about AQ or Naxx. Now that this guild did Ony with no gear you're complaining about their HP, their buffs, as if all that shit didn't exist in vanilla wow.

    The one thing you've said that's true, the only thing, is that people had shit PCs and internet back then. That's all. That's the only difference. Classic is 1 to 1 exactly like vanilla wow in every way except we have better PCs and internet. Everything else is the fucking same and you can't admit it because of sunk cost fallacy, because of belief preservation. You can't admit that maybe, just maybe the stuff you did back in the day wasn't intrinsically hard but was only made hard by the lack of knowledge, skill and experience in you and everyone else.

    Just look at that Ony video! Their main tank was so bad he could barely hold threat with the dps holding off for over 2 minutes! 2 Fucking minutes! His rage bar never goes down even between her attacks! He's literally auto attacking and the shaman is clicking his lightning bolt about once every 5000 years. This was the best raid group in the world at the time. That's a skill gap. A fucking big one. And bad PCs do not account for that shit. I could load OBS, jack up the CPU usage until I'm playing at 2 FPS and connect to the game using my goddamn phone as a hot spot and I would lose maybe 20-25% of my DPS. Not 90%+.
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  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbleedinggums View Post
    Yet I've had more than my fair share of people in multiple guilds make the claim that Classic raids are more difficult than Retail raids, so your claim that nobody ever made that argument is a lie and decredits your post.
    Source please. Hearsay is not evidence. It can not be corroborated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    I would actually disagree here, with Ony for example, people who know the fight well can still wipe on it. Pull aggro on the dragon at the wrong time, the raid eats a breath and it's probably a wipe. Like you can't actually ignore many of the mechanics and come out victorious. On LFR for example, I can't remember many instances where the mechanics were like that.
    Almost every end boss since WoD is like that. KJ LFR is probably going to be harder than Classic Maxx. The current endboss is still a shit show. There are plenty of examples that ignoring mechanics will wipe you. I think the argument has to be how many bosses can you actually ignore mechanics? I'd say LFR has a higher percentage.
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    why so mad bro

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