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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    its Wednesday reset so i decided to pug normal quickly for echoes, i get my group together we kill wrathion then we go maut, kill him but not with out a few deaths to aoe, i guess ppl forgot to update dbm and as soon as maut falls both tanks jump ship???? wth is wrong with ppl, you don't join a rush run for a specific item as tank and now the id is screwed as tank wont want to join as trinket boss is dead and no1 else wants to join coz 2 bosses are dead.....
    Yes, your majesty, because people play this game to cater to your personal needs.

    They needed that particular boss and once it's dead they went their way. What, because they are tanks and not yet another retarded DD, then they don't have the privilege of a choice of what to do with their time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    Blame blizzard on designing it in such a way that people can bail.

    ALL rewards should be given at the end of the last boss/fight.

    Only way to make the average troll not screw over other people.
    wtf, kekw?

    Yes, because apparently raid is same shit as your casual M+ run. No loot unless you kill all 12 raid bosses? That is your "good design"?

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    ALL rewards should be given at the end of the last boss/fight.

    Only way to make the average troll not screw over other people.
    Lol good one, go do m+ where "all loot is given at the end" and see if people don't bail. My friend tried to pug Shrine 16 today for weekly, group wiped at 1st boss cuz herp derp tyrannical can't handle, insta someone left, group disbanded. This is a constant occurrence in m+ pugs. 1 wipe = disband.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    You can't force people to play more roles. 98% play DPS because they simply want to kill things. Nothing Blizzard does will change that thus it will always be an issue.

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    NO it would not. People don't want to tank now. Adding a 4th spec is not going to make people magically decide to tank that never wanted to in the first place. All you would be guaranteeing is that you would be embarrassingly wrong.
    Keep thinking that, thanking and healing are both just as easy as DPS, I have 16 years of proof within myself and I am exceptional at each of the roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agm114r View Post
    You're never going to get away from this kind of thing w/o a guild, really. Even casual guilds have people who can help you get the things you need. PUGs are just the most toxic thing I've ever encountered in any game outside of FPS gaming. I remember pugging the hell out of Wrath, and it was a lot of fun, but wasn't long after, PUGs went completely to shit. Toxic people, assholes everywhere, and just all around selfish people, and no one will call them on their behavior consistently. There's a ton of people here on MMOC who will consistently excuse or justify any kind of selfish behavior because <I don't know why>.
    PUGing in Wrath was indeed fun. I blame two things for the loss of that. Firstly, LFG meant that people could be complete arses in pugged 5-mans because they'd never see their victims again, and that mentality started bleeding into PUG raids, even though the raids were still single-server only and so your rep would suffer for it. Secondly, Cataclysm put 10-man and 25-man raids on the same lockout, and that killed the practice of serious raiders taking their main to an off-size partly-pugged or outright PUG run, which lowered the success rate and made pugging much more of a gamble - and it (on my server at least) killed the community of people who sort-of pugged, sort of raided with friends, especially at odd hours. We had a good thing going, and Blizzard killed it (probably by accident, but still).

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    Maut tank trinket is garbage
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Keep thinking that, thanking and healing are both just as easy as DPS, I have 16 years of proof within myself and I am exceptional at each of the roles.
    I will keep thinking that becuse I have 15 years of data to back me up. That you are good at the others roles is irrelevant and you also show that you don't have the first clue why people avoid those roles to begin with. It has nothing to do with the ease of the role. It has to do with the toxicity of the groups towards tanks and healers. YOU keep thinking that a 4th spec will magically make people heal and tank. I will laugh when nothing changes.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    I will keep thinking that becuse I have 15 years of data to back me up. That you are good at the others roles is irrelevant and you also show that you don't have the first clue why people avoid those roles to begin with. It has nothing to do with the ease of the role. It has to do with the toxicity of the groups towards tanks and healers. YOU keep thinking that a 4th spec will magically make people heal and tank. I will laugh when nothing changes.
    Whatever you think, pessimism will make for a sad life because if you always expect to be disappointed then you forever will be disappointed. I have seen many people change their mind on roles over the years, and while there is toxicity the number one thing that causes a group to crumble is lack of communication regardless of the group of people. Talk to people even if they are random because you cannot assume everyone is always in the same frame of mind as you are at any given time.
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  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Whatever you think, pessimism will make for a sad life because if you always expect to be disappointed then you forever will be disappointed. I have seen many people change their mind on roles over the years, and while there is toxicity the number one thing that causes a group to crumble is lack of communication regardless of the group of people. Talk to people even if they are random because you cannot assume everyone is always in the same frame of mind as you are at any given time.
    It's not pessimism. It's fact. People refuse to tank and heal because of all the crap that gets thrown their way. They tried to reward people with extra loot for healing or tanking. Guess what? It didn't change anything. So it is ridiculously naive to think that a 4th spec will magically cause people to heal and tank when trying to hand people extra loot did not work. But you keep on living in that fantasy land. Those of us in reality know for a fact that you would be massively wrong.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    It's not pessimism. It's fact. People refuse to tank and heal because of all the crap that gets thrown their way. They tried to reward people with extra loot for healing or tanking. Guess what? It didn't change anything. So it is ridiculously naive to think that a 4th spec will magically cause people to heal and tank when trying to hand people extra loot did not work. But you keep on living in that fantasy land. Those of us in reality know for a fact that you would be massively wrong.
    Maybe grow some balls and stop giving a shit about what others think then? People are damn pussies lmao.
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  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    its Wednesday reset so i decided to pug normal quickly for echoes, i get my group together we kill wrathion then we go maut, kill him but not with out a few deaths to aoe, i guess ppl forgot to update dbm and as soon as maut falls both tanks jump ship???? wth is wrong with ppl, you don't join a rush run for a specific item as tank and now the id is screwed as tank wont want to join as trinket boss is dead and no1 else wants to join coz 2 bosses are dead.....
    If they only wanted that boss, leaving after killing it seems reasonable. I don't see the issue.

    The people that won't join "because Maut is dead" probably only want to kill Maut. So you don't want those people in your raid anyway.

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