Toronto 'Chair Girl' avoids jail time over tossing chair from balcony onto highway

[Mihalik]

Every time i see an American making such a comment, i wonder if the definition of the word justice doesn't mean something completely different. It's no wonder you have that many people locked up and such a bad track record for reintegrating people.

But why stop there, if someone drives with their kid and the kid doesn't have their seatbelt on, instead of giving them a fine. Charge them for murder because based on your absurd logic the kid could have been killed if an accident occurred.

To me all this reads as just being vindictive and not looking at how this should be prevented in the future.

I am not one of those "throw the book at her" + "punish the wicked" loons, but I think in her case specifically there are more complexities that go beyond the crime SHE specifically committed.

While in a void I'd agree that jail time wouldn't be necessary for her rehabilitation as an individual, this incident didn't occur in a void.

She is a minor F-list celebrity with celebrity aspirations. Since the incident her infamy became worldwide topic of discussion (the whole playboy bunny looks have a lot to do with that one), and while in court she has said all the right things, in the greater scheme of things she has not really shown any real remorse, on the contrary she seems to have exploited her 15 minutes of infamy.

Allowing her to profit from the crime does not send the right message, nor does it ultimately give real incentives for her to change as a person (still I doubt she personally would repeat this stunt). It sort of says to all the celebrity wannabes (and the various "ice cream licking" and Tide Pod challenges have proven there are plenty of those) that doing dumb shit like this can actually get them the fame/attention they crave.

Now I don't think she should be publicly drawn and quartered to set an example or whatnot, but the judge should have imposed much harder probation conditions, such as restrictions on social media use, ban on giving interviews, TV or media appearances for a couple of years.

That would go a long way in nipping her budding rap/model/reality TV/Instagram influencer/porn star career and would send the message that "This is not how you become famous" message to those who might see her as an example to follow.

[Acidbaron]

I am not one of those "throw the book at her" + "punish the wicked" loons, but I think in her case specifically there are more complexities that go beyond the crime SHE specifically committed.

While in a void I'd agree that jail time wouldn't be necessary for her rehabilitation as an individual, this incident didn't occur in a void.

She is a minor F-list celebrity with celebrity aspirations. Since the incident her infamy became worldwide topic of discussion (the whole playboy bunny looks have a lot to do with that one), and while in court she has said all the right things, in the greater scheme of things she has not really shown any real remorse, on the contrary she seems to have exploited her 15 minutes of infamy.

Allowing her to profit from the crime does not send the right message, nor does it ultimately give real incentives for her to change as a person (still I doubt she personally would repeat this stunt). It sort of says to all the celebrity wannabes (and the various "ice cream licking" and Tide Pod challenges have proven there are plenty of those) that doing dumb shit like this can actually get them the fame/attention they crave.

Now I don't think she should be publicly drawn and quartered to set an example or whatnot, but the judge should have imposed much harder probation conditions, such as restrictions on social media use, ban on giving interviews, TV or media appearances.

I don't disagree with any of this, my point was mostly to stress that a jail sentence would not get the desired results. The threat of a jail sentence when paired with a probation period would be more effective and send a better signal to said "following". Considering how it generally involves therapy and social worker session in addition to community service and what not.

So again i was mostly going after a reply that was absurdly vindictive in just believing locking a person up improves them, all data so far shows it is exact the opposite.

[StillMcfuu]

Maybe the sentence is justified, maybe it isn't...

Either she already knows it was a dumb fuck thing to do and the sentence is more a way to make amends with the public she put in danger... or she is just going through the motions and is just one of those people who won't learn, either way a harsher sentence won't change anything. That's really all there is to it. America has an issue with being too harsh sometimes, and then you get current situations where the punishment is lost of people and they feel like the victim, even though they are the fuck ups, they don't learn from their mistake.

[lockedout]

social media, sure.

internet in general? no. It's becoming to integral to daily life to not let someone access it for 2 years. Many jobs only accept applications online.

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how many die from drunk driving?


first offense drunk drivers rarely get jail time. Why should she?

Not jail time but loss of license and hella fines plus alcohol monitoring device on car insurance through the roof.

[Jotaux]

I think the sentence was a little light. I don't understand why the reporter started asking about her posts on Instagram. The girl being in a bikini isn't really relevant to the case.

[Easo]

I think the sentence was a little light. I don't understand why the reporter started asking about her posts on Instagram. The girl being in a bikini isn't really relevant to the case.

Sex sells. That's why.

[Orange Joe]

Not jail time but loss of license and hella fines plus alcohol monitoring device on car insurance through the roof.

fines add up to about $800 for first offense in MI, What was her fine? "C$2,000" or $1,485 US so almost double there

as for license first offense is 6 month suspended/restricted.

Montoring device doesn't happen on a first offense,

after 5 years insurance goes back to normal.

[Shadowferal]

I'd bang her.
C'mon, some here had to be thinking the same thing.

[Jotaux]

Sex sells. That's why.

The reporter was shaming her for it

[Easo]

The reporter was shaming her for it

I suppose I gotta watch video fully. In that case - the good old moral shaming USA style.

[Mihalik]

I'd bang her.
C'mon, some here had to be thinking the same thing.

I wouldn't. Look I'm not saying she ain't "bangable", but there's a point where being a shitty enough human makes you unattractive.

For me, she made it there. Unfortunately considering we are talking about this proves I'm in a minority.

[Daedius]

I'd bang her.
C'mon, some here had to be thinking the same thing.

OTT Fake tits and duck lips? No thanks. Especially the duck lips, they're fucking ugly imo.

[muto]

No one was hurt. She's still fined, has to do community service, has probation, and a criminal record. So it's not like she isn't being penalized.

This might shock Americans, but Canada isn't as prison-happy as the USA.

So because no one was hurt that makes it okay? If everyone threw chairs off balcony’s many people would get hurt. She should at least get a year in prison for her stupidity.

[Egomaniac]

So because no one was hurt that makes it okay? If everyone threw chairs off balcony’s many people would get hurt. She should at least get a year in prison for her stupidity.

People don't get a year in prison for Drunk Driving on a first offense...that's far more dangerous.

[Endus]

So because no one was hurt that makes it okay? If everyone threw chairs off balcony’s many people would get hurt. She should at least get a year in prison for her stupidity.

Of course it doesn't make it "okay".

That's what the probation, community service, and fine are about.

Canada doesn't allow for-profit prisons, so we really have nothing to gain by putting her in prison.

[Cruor]

No one was hurt. She's still fined, has to do community service, has probation, and a criminal record. So it's not like she isn't being penalized.

This might shock Americans, but Canada isn't as prison-happy as the USA.

Cant wait for you to make the same argument when someone on the alt right throws a knife at someone on the left and it misses, sticking into the wall behind them. Fact is, someone could have been killed, as we have seen before in people throwing stuff off overpasses onto cars. It was a malicious act, pre meditated not an accident.

[Endus]

Cant wait for you to make the same argument when someone on the alt right throws a knife at someone on the left and it misses, sticking into the wall behind them. Fact is, someone could have been killed, as we have seen before in people throwing stuff off overpasses onto cars. It was a malicious act, pre meditated not an accident.

Throwing a knife at someone is a criminal assault, because you're attacking a specific person.

That was not the case with her action, which was just negligent and dangerous but targeted no one. Had she been trying to hit someone with the chair, you might have had a point. But she wasn't. So you don't.

Nobody is arguing she shouldn't be convicted and punished. She was, she has been.

You have plenty to gain by imprisoning people like this. Make an example of them to scare other people off.

You think the other penalties don't do the same thing?

Also, there's essentially no deterrent effect from severity of punishment. No reasonable study has ever found any correlation. There's a correlation between certainty of arrest and conviction, and deterrence, but not severity of punishment. The major example is the death penalty; it provides essentially no deterrence factor to crime rates.

[Specialka]

Throwing a knife at someone is a criminal assault, because you're attacking a specific person.

That was not the case with her action, which was just negligent and dangerous but targeted no one. Had she been trying to hit someone with the chair, you might have had a point. But she wasn't. So you don't.

Nobody is arguing she shouldn't be convicted and punished. She was, she has been.



You think the other penalties don't do the same thing?

Also, there's essentially no deterrent effect from severity of punishment. No reasonable study has ever found any correlation. There's a correlation between certainty of arrest and conviction, and deterrence, but not severity of punishment. The major example is the death penalty; it provides essentially no deterrence factor to crime rates.

How dare you use logic and facts on these boards !

[Rennadrel]

I was aware of Canadian law tending towards leniency, but this seems excessive. I wonder what good 150 hours of community service will do. Time will tell I suppose.

Well, when you admit to being an idiot rather than trying to deny it, especially when there was video evidence against was incriminating. Better to just take the punishment than risk more jail time.

Either way, she's still a dumbass, her IQ is about equal to the size of her fake boobs and she got what she deserved for being a dumbass.

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social media, sure.

internet in general? no. It's becoming to integral to daily life to not let someone access it for 2 years. Many jobs only accept applications online.

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how many die from drunk driving?


first offense drunk drivers rarely get jail time. Why should she?

A first time drunk driving offense entirely depends on the circumstances. If you kill someone, or cause an accident, you bet your ass is going to jail.

[Orange Joe]

A first time drunk driving offense entirely depends on the circumstances. If you kill someone, or cause an accident, you bet your ass is going to jail.

Well yes, but that is because you would get a manslaughter or similar charge...... In a victimless drunk driving charge you are extremely unlikely to get jail time.