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2020-07-30, 01:07 PM #381Legendary!
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2020-07-30, 01:12 PM #382Moderator
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That last bit of Vol'jin's VO about his time as Warchief is gold.
Originally Posted by Skytotem
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
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2020-07-30, 01:17 PM #383Legendary!
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I think it's kind of sad they have to poke fun at how bad their own writing is to try and get people to laugh it off. Originally Posted by Aucald
Last edited by Skytotem; 2020-07-30 at 01:19 PM.
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2020-07-30, 01:18 PM #384Banned
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Because he was the most useless warchief in history. The only noteworthy thing he did as warchief was choosing Sylvanas as his successor, and that wasn't only an incredibly dumb move, but he also did literally as he was dying. At least Vol'jin is self-aware of his own incompetence.
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2020-07-30, 01:21 PM #385Legendary!
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Eh, he was decent in MoP up until the end where he fumbled and couldn't get in the gates of Org. Originally Posted by Varodoc
That was... bad.
But he's always felt like he was the only character in WoW not fudging his rolls and having to actually play realpolitik.Twas brillig
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2020-07-30, 01:24 PM #386Moderator
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I am admittedly a sucker for self-effacing humor, and the way the VO delivers the line is just perfect. Bit of a meta-commentary perhaps, but if you can't laugh at your own mistakes then you'll never go far in overcoming them. Originally Posted by Skytotem
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
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2020-07-30, 01:25 PM #387Immortal
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Taelia will save Anduin, a subversion of the Princess and the White Knight Originally Posted by Skytotem
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2020-07-30, 01:27 PM #388Banned
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What subversion, at this point Anduin has a track record of being saved by strong women. He would have died at Lordaeron if it wasn't for Alleria and Jaina.
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2020-07-30, 01:28 PM #389I am Murloc!
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Really? The expansion with Demon space ships, lightforged Nathrezim, Illidan 2.0, Argus survivors, Turalyon character assassination (they turned him into a cringe wind chime heretic) etc. didn't feel bad to you? Originally Posted by Beet
I mean, don't get me wrong. BfA and Shadowlands are much worse in terms of lore but Legion was a disaster.
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2020-07-30, 01:43 PM #390The Unstoppable Force
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You could condense every single even remotely comedic thing in the history of the human race into liquid then have Blizzard's writers drink it and they still wouldn't go far in overcoming their mistakes. If anything, it will only make them repeat those mistakes even faster than they otherwise would (which is pretty much a guaranteed deal either way), just to fish for positive reaction when they make self aware jokes the next time as well. Originally Posted by Aucald
Though given how they repeatedly try to portray their own work as fantastic, calling it self-aware is likely overselling it. Chances are they still think it's just bees knees and the joke is nothing more than empty lip service to pander to the playerbase to get some praise out of it for once while they grit their teeth.Last edited by Mehrunes; 2020-07-30 at 01:47 PM.
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2020-07-30, 01:43 PM #391Legendary!
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They're not laughing at their own mistakes, they want US to laugh at their mistakes, and ignore just how badly they fumbled earlier writing. Originally Posted by Aucald
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2020-07-30, 01:44 PM #392The Unstoppable Force
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You didn't get the lesson of Before the Storm. Undeath is just a mild skin condition that no one in-lore actually cares about. Originally Posted by Tincjin
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2020-07-30, 01:48 PM #393I am Murloc!
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I mean, what were you expecting? Just take a look at the other characters they've defiled so far. Originally Posted by Tincjin
The explanation for why Alexandros Mograine is fine with being in the Scourge-light afterlife is because the Undead that reside there who stitch together unworthy souls as mindless monstrosities forever to serve in their armies are apparently honorable enough for a Paladin who dedicated his life to eradicating undead.
Scratch the entire Mograine story arc about Darion's sacrifice in order to free his father from servitude to the Scourge. It's all meaningless. Consider your expectations subverted.Within war-torn Maldraxxus, might —of all kinds— makes right. Here, in the birthplace of necromantic magic, those who master the powers of death turn legions of ambitious souls into relentless undead armies.
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2020-07-30, 01:51 PM #394Moderator
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I don't think anyone can ignore their mistakes or fumbles, which is why I don't really read that level of malevolence into this. YMMV depending on how seriously you take it, though. Originally Posted by Skytotem
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
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2020-07-30, 01:57 PM #395Elemental Lord
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If the rumors are true.. voljin+rezan will be the darkspear and zandalari master loa, bringing them even closer together. Atleast I hope so. Originally Posted by Lahis
If only rastakahn...
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2020-07-30, 02:03 PM #396Banned
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I wouldnt describe it as malevolence, just stupidity. Originally Posted by Aucald
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2020-07-30, 02:06 PM #397Warchief
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I find it interesting that Bolvar not only has the title High-lord, but also of the Ebon Blade. He allied/used the Ebon Blade during Legion but was never part of it in any way to the best of my knowledge.
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2020-07-30, 02:08 PM #398Immortal
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in fairy tales the knight saves the princess and they get married, that will happen. Originally Posted by Varodoc
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2020-07-30, 02:24 PM #399The Lightbringer
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dang can't wait for a Draenei counterpart of Liadrin to debut in WoW Originally Posted by Rhlor
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
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2020-07-30, 03:11 PM #400Banned
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She never meets him as the Lich King and Highlord Crispy Bolvar acts heroic and kind like her father. Why would she be creeped out by him? Originally Posted by Tincjin
It's always been bad writing that humans in the Warcraftverse go fucking nuts if someone they love changes their appearance. The Zellig storyline is horrible in this aspect.
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