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    Quote Originally Posted by iamthedevil View Post
    I just can't wrap my head around how if I'm looking at the short blade that I can't see the long blade as well. The long blade would clearly be closer to Anduins face, no?
    You can see it. They're just right next to each other and the same colour, so telling them apart is hard.

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    So Dredgers are suppose to be creatures of the Shadowlands right? Well I found Stonehuck the Sinstone Hurler and this is his description:
    Stonehuck really enjoys hurling his Sinstone. The smears of flesh and crackle of bone cause him to crackle with joy as his foes buckle under the weight of his prior crimes.
    Was he once a mortal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    So Dredgers are suppose to be creatures of the Shadowlands right? Well I found Stonehuck the Sinstone Hurler and this is his description:

    Was he once a mortal?
    For the most part the souls can choose their forms like most do in Night Fae. Don’t see why it wouldn’t apply to other places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigTone View Post
    For the most part the souls can choose their forms like most do in Night Fae. Don’t see why it wouldn’t apply to other places.
    Drudgers are made from mud and muck of Revendreth. They're described as being native to the Shadowlands. They're like the Stewards of Bastion or Fae of Ardenweald, all natives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigTone View Post
    For the most part the souls can choose their forms like most do in Night Fae. Don’t see why it wouldn’t apply to other places.
    I think the issue might be that the Dredgers don't originate from Souls but an alchemic process involving specific mud/muck pools in Revendreth meaning they are natural artificial creatures of the realm rather than souls that have arrived there and taken on that form. Kinda like mud golems I'm guessing.

    As for why one is lugging around a Sinstone, maybe Revendreth considers Dredgers messing up in reconstructing and maintaining Revendreth as a crime and create them as appropriate but since they don't have souls they can't actually rehabilitate them?
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    Random thought:

    "Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below."

    Could it be the Sunwell? Perhaps there are still some latent Void energies hidden beneath its surface, a left-over from the, huh, incident with Alleria.

    If I were Theron, I would spend less time trying to have sex with a woman who could very well be my grandma, and would instead focus on monitoring the Sunwell. You never know what might be hiding in there... the Void is insidious, and very hard to cleanse entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    It would be rather amusing in a dark sense if the lesson Sylvanas took away from Anduin was to make a choice - said choice being a surprise attack and successful coup on the Jailer, supplanting him the role of "Big Bad" at the height of the expansion, with the rationale that that was the choice Anduin pushed her to make and requiring her final and lasting defeat by the Maw Walker and their retinue. A nice subversion of the worries about a Kerrigan story redux, and cementing the notion that Sylvanas will have no redemption arc to speak of. Would require Sylvanas being another expansion's main villain, but if it includes her final defeat in a dramatic turn of events that might be acceptable to many.
    Honestly it may be a viable path they can take. Also would be interesting if that actually happens I know quite a bit of people would be super happy with the final outcome of a final defeat for her without a redemption path. However, i still think it's possible for them to use the "betrayal" to gain some sort of sympathy if it backfires on her and then Anduin or even our own characters have to save her from oblivion in lue of her helping us taking down the Jailer. Where not necessarily redeeming her but providing closure while ending her reign of terror. I still think if there's any sense in having Tyrande wielding her Night Warrior Powers, that she would have so sort of hand in felling Slyvannas or at least reconciling the rage within her and letting go of her grudge and go back into the light. Probably killing her too in the process, sort of a two birds and one stone deal.

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    Sylvanas is so fucking dumb. She wants to convince Anduin to join her cause, I get that. But all she does is whine at him like a child about how life isn't fair and she wants to tear down the whole system.

    If she wants him on board she needs to explain what about the system is broken and how she plans on fixing that. So far she's given him literally nothing to go on and then gets mad at him for him not agreeing with her.

    Sylvanas is like an angry 4 year old. Top tier writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    Sylvanas is so fucking dumb. She wants to convince Anduin to join her cause, I get that. But all she does is whine at him like a child about how life isn't fair and she wants to tear down the whole system.

    If she wants him on board she needs to explain what about the system is broken and how she plans on fixing that. So far she's given him literally nothing to go on and then gets mad at him for him not agreeing with her.

    Sylvanas is like an angry 4 year old. Top tier writing.
    This. If you want someone to join you voluntarily, you have to cater to him/her to a large extent. But throwing one tantrum after another, as if she was some teenager girl whom her crush won't pay her any attention is just... sad. But certainly not in the way intended by the writers.
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    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    Sylvanas is so fucking dumb. She wants to convince Anduin to join her cause, I get that. But all she does is whine at him like a child about how life isn't fair and she wants to tear down the whole system.

    If she wants him on board she needs to explain what about the system is broken and how she plans on fixing that. So far she's given him literally nothing to go on and then gets mad at him for him not agreeing with her.

    Sylvanas is like an angry 4 year old. Top tier writing.
    She is a generic villain straight out of a C-tier JRPG. It's appaulingly uninteresting.

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    I completed this myself on tuesday night by doing twisting corridors. But i didn't record it. So i found someone else that did. I also liked how he stiched the other clip (post Nathria quest) into it.


  12. #2492
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    So Dredgers are suppose to be creatures of the Shadowlands right? Well I found Stonehuck the Sinstone Hurler and this is his description:

    Was he once a mortal?
    He also somehow manages to throw and break that sinstone every other round. I wouldn't look to deep into it.

  13. #2493
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Some sort of crystalised soul power i'd say. Possibly crystalised stygia, like we're collecting for Ve'nari.

    If you look at the soulforges in Zovaal's Cauldron, you'll notice they also have the fiery blue runes on them that Frostmourne and Shalamourne feature.
    I'm no expert on lore, but apparently Shalla'tor, which was part of Shalamayne, according to the wiki, had a blue gem. Also according to wiki, Shalla'tor seems to mean Shadow Render (whatever it means...).

    So in the end, maybe the gem used by the Jailer contains a part of Varian's soul, which would definitely help in turning Anduin - I don't see anyone else capable of bending Anduin to either side. We don't really know what happened to Varian's soul, it may have been destroyed by fel, but it could have very well "fused" with Shalamayne when he died as his connection with his blade has always been very specific.

    That would also be a way to have the story not only revolving around Arthas. Even though I'm not sure I'd like Varian to be ruined by whatever happens during Shadowlands.

  14. #2494
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    This. If you want someone to join you voluntarily, you have to cater to him/her to a large extent. But throwing one tantrum after another, as if she was some teenager girl whom her crush won't pay her any attention is just... sad. But certainly not in the way intended by the writers.
    It is fascinating though how Sylvanas has grown more and more evil while becoming less and less threatening as she goes.

    Personality-wise she seemed to be the most evil in Cata, whereas now that we know for a fact she has allied with a ancient eldritch being who subjugates innocent souls forever to eventually commit omnicide she suddenly acts like she has a conscience.

    Makes me wonder whether it is intentional or not, or whether the writers are just weirdly trying to balance her evil acts by making her personality seem less evil.
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  15. #2495
    Quote Originally Posted by OCoyne View Post
    That and we know that Kel'Thuzad is an ally of the Jailer, it's now a story of Sylvanas is nothing more than a pawn and she doesn't know yet.

    We know also that during Maldraxxus Campain Kel'Thuzad is looking for books that lead to idea he is working to a pathway connecting Realms of Death and a manner to by pass a barrier... along with a Rune of Domination to breach the Maw.
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    Was the Maw originally called Obleron? Because I see that word a lot when in Torghast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    Was the Maw originally called Obleron? Because I see that word a lot when in Torghast
    It's possible. During the Shadowlands Beta, the flavor text of the Worn Obleron Etching was "A crumbling manuscript, written in a time before the Maw was called the Maw. Ve'nari will be interested in this." It has been changed in Live to: "A crumbling manuscript hinting at the origins of the Maw. Ve'nari would be fascinated by this." Whether this also walks back the speculation that the Maw was once known as Obleron is unknown.
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    Just found this interesting line from brokers in Oribos:

    Opulence Ba'hare says: This is an interesting time, Ba'solo. We should strive to find the cause of this chaos. Such knowledge may prove useful.
    Emissary Ba'solo says: Opulence, do you mean the location of the sepul--
    Opulence Ba'hare says: Silence! Do not speak of the grand design!
    Whos sepulcher they are talking about? Can it be one of the first ones?

    I honestly start believing brokers will have some more screentime as they are very shady.

  19. #2499
    Probably the same Sepulcher the Jailer isn't supposed to reach. I wonder how they relate to each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    It's possible. During the Shadowlands Beta, the flavor text of the Worn Obleron Etching was "A crumbling manuscript, written in a time before the Maw was called the Maw. Ve'nari will be interested in this." It has been changed in Live to: "A crumbling manuscript hinting at the origins of the Maw. Ve'nari would be fascinated by this." Whether this also walks back the speculation that the Maw was once known as Obleron is unknown.
    Curiously, the name is occassionally mentioned in the theatre in Ardenweald, specificially that there was a play about some fae king Obleron despite there never having been any such person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Probably the same Sepulcher the Jailer isn't supposed to reach. I wonder how they relate to each other.
    Was it mentioned somewhere?

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